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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: sonali.19281



paaajiii🤗 aakhir IMV ka pyar kheech laya... yup m watching tht phase and have major sadistic pleasure🤣 m even liking khadoos V with dil mein aag...🤣telling Sabina tht main D ko itni khushi dunga tht u wild see wat u missed.. ullu da paon..😆

but the VV-IMV scene is epic.. after he comes back from S'pore..😆 and goes to IMV charging him.. he even raises a finger at IMV.. i was😲.. ki tu to gaya beta.. sigh I am loving IMV all the more.. how he focusses on the finger.. his subtle muscle twitch.. on the cheeks.. and he slowly walks across and pats Vs shoulder🤣 nothing enrages tht man... calmly he plays his game.. loved the dialogue in the end when he says.. what I want will happen Vaibhav.. only I'll make u believe thts what u want too😆.. total chanakya neeti.. sigh I miss IMV.. dang

nahin nahin forumvaasiyon kaa pyaar yes yes the vv imv scene was awesome too, , he played a masterstroke here , he created sitautions such that both vaibhav and devki had to agree to their marriage very good very neat so that no one can blame him for pressurising
hell i dont care what is right and wrong here , i salute intelligence cleverness😆
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: intruderfast

nahin nahin forumvaasiyon kaa pyaar yes yes the vv imv scene was awesome too, , he played a masterstroke here , he created sitautions such that both vaibhav and devki had to agree to their marriage very good very neat so that no one can blame him for pressurising

hell i dont care what is right and wrong here , i salute intelligence cleverness😆


@Bold: sau baaton ki ek baat... mahanta chahe 96684737 gyaan de... dimaag ka ek sentence is enough to drive the point home.. through out the show the jokers spoke the most.. incessantly.. round and round.. and once in a while IMV would come say one line.. and everyone wld be chup😆 coz right or wrong everyone knew one thing.. it made COMPLETE SENSE😃 tht one line from IMV..

P.S yer ZNMD sig.. 😍.. feel like watching the movie again.. dilon mein betaabiyan leke chal rahein ho to ZINDA ho tum... 😃
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Karma is A ****.. I strongly believe tht VSalliance wld be doomed..

So do I . In real life it WOULD have been doomed . It looks all very exciting to see someone going THIS crazy about a person he met for only ONE MONTH in his life and had some meetings with ...in real life , that fact would be a source of CONCERN for his family . Going this far that he neglected his business for days , running from city to city and country to country searching for a woman without even breaking his first marraige like a real man ...by facing his wife's aged grandfather and explaining things to him ...leaving ALL that responsibility on that young wife's shoulders , such a person would be hardly RESPECTED in Indian Society that lays great stress on filial responsibilities , duty and practicalities . It looks very romantic to be this selfish and this stupid on screen and be guided rapturously by your hormones but when they cool off eventually , we see the destruction .

Would Sabina be capable of managing the Virani House like Devki ?

Would she give up her career like Tina Munim did or Mumtaz did ? She seemed to like her financial independence ...she had talked about it with pride in front of both the men ...Vaibhav and IMV .

Would her religion matter ? Vaibhav's children ...to which religion would they belong ?

Would her mother visit her ?

Would Vaibhav be able to handle men pawing her on screen or dancing with her in parties if she refused to give up films ?

Would Vaibhav be able to handle the incessant pressure of the press or the paparazzi journalists ?

Would the business be affected like IMV had predicted ? IMV was never wrong in his predictions .

There r hundreds of problems That I can foresee .

I would have predicted a nice little divorce in just about two years for this couple if Sabina opted not to give films up .

Or unhappiness for Vaibhav as the press wud never let him rest in peace .

She filled in the permanently etched foot prints that Devki made in that house . Sabina wud have never fit in .
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

Karma is A ****.. I strongly believe tht VSalliance wld be doomed..


So do I . In real life it WOULD have been doomed . It looks all very exciting to see someone going THIS crazy about a person he met for only ONE MONTH in his life and had some meetings with ...in real life , that fact would be a source of CONCERN for his family . Going this far that he neglected his business for days , running from city to city and country to country searching for a woman without even breaking his first marraige like a real man ...by facing his wife's aged grandfather and explaining things to him ...leaving ALL that responsibility on that young wife's shoulders , such a person would be hardly RESPECTED in Indian Society that lays great stress on filial responsibilities , duty and practicalities . It looks very romantic to be this selfish and this stupid on screen and be guided rapturously by your hormones but when they cool off eventually , we see the destruction .

Would Sabina be capable of managing the Virani House like Devki ?

Would she give up her career like Tina Munim did or Mumtaz did ? She seemed to like her financial independence ...she had talked about it with pride in front of both the men ...Vaibhav and IMV .

Would her religion matter ? Vaibhav's children ...to which religion would they belong ?

Would her mother visit her ?

Would Vaibhav be able to handle men pawing her on screen or dancing with her in parties if she refused to give up films ?

Would Vaibhav be able to handle the incessant pressure of the press or the paparazzi journalists ?

Would the business be affected like IMV had predicted ? IMV was never wrong in his predictions .

There r hundreds of problems That I can foresee .

I would have predicted a nice little divorce in just about two years for this couple if Sabina opted not to give films up .

Or unhappiness for Vaibhav as the press wud never let him rest in peace .

She filled in the permanently etched foot prints that Devki made in that house . Sabina wud have never fit in .


I was watching the VD wedding epi.. it was so cute.. you know with all the little rituals.. how the family from both ends were so involved.. Marriage in our culture isn't just an official communion of a couple.. the families are so involved.. Sabina of course did not have a family and Vs family left him.. once Sabina came in.. his dad died.. his mother gave her and Rajvi their complete freedom in their domesticity and left.. VD had so much going for them.. an attractively complementary personality between both of them.. their understanding or lack of in life.. one made up for the other.. whenever they couldn't manage to find answers.. between the both of them.. they turned to Bha, IMV, Charu.. one can't refute the worth of elders just by their reading of life based on experiences..there are so many important and bigger things in life.. that one just can't deal with the tools of romance...

even if I don't consider that Sabina may do films.. she would find it hard.. coz she completely lacked her convictions in the end.. she looked as sorry figure as V.. IMV leaving wld plummet the V. Ind shares.. and its standing.. and V alone would find it hard to resurrect.. the frustration wld one day rub on their equation.. Sid and Rajvi's equation with V also cld take a beating.. as SR did not bargain for this life.. based on Vs khushi.. the bitterness may come btw them.. for having to live like this.. without their parents.. I foresee a division in claims here too.. much like Mukesh and Anil's..

let's face it.. Sid is no mukesh.. neither is Vaibhav by long shot.. Nirali may just be the neutral..but in reality I see a definite partition in V.Ind claims.. if the board did not decide to take the claims on it and relinquish the virani kids.. on domestic front Rajvi may have issues adjusting with Sabina.. as she comes from a rather diff bg.. so I see even more nucleation of the family.. so VS wld be left to each other.. as much as V claims he has been brought up as a boy within a family.. who may not be able to handle this by himself.. as some point Charu may mediate.. but Ishwar wont.. coz he GAVE IT UP.. its NOT HIS RESPONSIBILITY...

pyar se zindagi nahi chalti... Love in the age of global economic meltdown.. can't be given the power to create havoc.. not only wld VS be unhappy in their life.. their stupid decision with the blessings of the idealists who in all fairness have an understanding of the post independence era wld cost all those people and families who invested in V. Ind.. for IMV's and the Virani's sake.. I recall how much unrest the friction among the ambani bro. caused the market for a while.. a lot of ppl are bound to lost money.. some may succumb to financial pressures.. my qs.. How MUCH are VS willing to ride on.. for their love.. as great as it may have been.. unless V just gives up business altogether and retires to a bohemian life with Sabina in the bahamas..

its nice to live with the impression that love is about bringing happiness to other people.. like few hamlet dwellers.. but in the end their love costed a lot of middle class people's finances.. and lot more pandemonium.. I COMPLETELY OBJECT to the display of huge irresponsibility and recklessness in the name of LOVE.. as an owner of an establishment.. Virani's life isnt just theirs.. if it was.. they cld have from the beginning shown more balls and left the enterprise with their dad.. and not pretend to uphold the legacy.. in the west.. people chose their heir.. like Steve Jobs did when he cld have comprehended that he cldn't invest more of himself for health reasons.. I am completely ok with that.. Let Devki take over then.. at least she has a spotless image and a huge sympathy factor riding with her.. tht wld help V. Ind too..😉

VS spells doom for everything they wld be connected to.. in all reality no producer wld wanna have anything to do with an actor called Sabina after her negative publicity.. an actor is as good or bad as his image in today's day and age.. and much as they like VS cant live by themselves in an oyster away from the society and its decree...case rested
Edited by sonali.19281 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Superb post I will be replying to this one ,am being called right now
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Posted: 13 years ago
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very well said sonali. throughout the serial after that scene, sabina iis projected as some very bechari and completely manupulated by imv. but in fact she had the option; had she really loved vv and had faith in him, she could hv gone to vv & told him about her past. she has the option to give vv really 10 cr rs & compete with imv (good to write on paper only 😊😊) but instead of that she opted to leave vv without any reason or whtsoever explaination. on the other side, D always thought of vv above her happiness & ambitions
Kools completely agree; sabina could never be choice as bahu of virani; she may be good; she is in fact. but not for virani household. she will surely bring bad publicity due to her past & profession. not sure about her abilities to manage home & anyway she is of not any use for v.industries
D was perfect choice; kash vv ko charu se thodi dant aur imv se akal milti😕😕
neverthless, at least in SS is happening 😊
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

That's just stupidity. Sabina didn't deserve the man VV became at the end, but she loved him and wanted him, and the world was offering him to her on a silver platter. Why should she deny it? I'm perfectly happy with Sabina's character, it's VV and D that annoy me to no end.



Coz she was NOT a flawed character . Her mother had a murky past but Sabina was a very strong woman and so i expected it . There was no weakness in Sabina . The two characters I found unflawed till the last minute butchering started were Charu and Sabina .

Whenever I saw Sabina , the word that came to my mind was STRENGTH . Whenever I saw Charu , the word that came to my mind was PEACE . Whenever I saw Devki The word that came to my mind was INNOCENCE .

People criticised Sabina for walking away without telling Vaibhav after the blackmail . I don't . That was HER decision to make . She weighed things in her mind and decided that all this was simply not worth it .

She was the one who returned from the mandap , seeing the press and all the guests and the fact that the marraige had taken place . Why did she not go with Baa up at that time only ? What do 7 rounds around the holy fire done some minutes ago really mean if LOVE was the criteria of all decisions like it was shown in the end ? Even then she knew that Vaibhav still loved her , Baa had told her that . But at that time Devki was NOT in love with him . Sabina wud have done the girl an infinite favor although the press wud have had a field day and IMV wud have been enraged . The press having a field day was no big deal to Sabina ...she was used to it , her bread butter was only such .

But she chose to accept this foolish Vaibhav AFTER knowing that Devki had fallen in love with him ...a fact for which even SHE was responsible as she had not spoken up on time ...a fact which would NEVER have occured if the 3 month stay would not have happened . At THAT point the situation had been ...Vaibhav was still in love with HER , Devki was not yet in love with him , Sabina herself STILL loved Vaibhav . AND to top it she had shown the guts to come TILL THE MANDAP . So much mess cud have been avoided .

But seeing the PHERAS had taken place she RESPECTED MARRAIGE and went back . It was not fear of the press that she gave precedence , nor LOVE that she gave priority but MARRAIGE as an institution .

Well What changed later that she accepted Vaibhav ? In fact now she ALONE was privy to the fact that Devki had fallen in love with Vaibhav as she had read that card . And NOW she chose to come back ? When in some part SHE was responsible for this happening asshe had NOT spoken up at the mandap and allowed this girl to go ahead and EXPECT things like Oh Vaibhav will come around and we can have a chance ?

Not just that , Sabina knew that Devki loved him unselfishly , WITHOUT EXPECTING IT BACK .

She knew that Devki unselfishly let him go .

The institution of marraige that she respected and returned from the mandap , it had grown now as one in the couple had fallen in love .

So why return NOW ?

The power to slap Vaibhav [ and I mean a real hard one } was only in Sabina's hands . Who SAYS I want u ? What r u doing standing on my doorstep professing LOVE when ur married ? Have u given Devki a thought or her grandfather who placed such trust in u ? I cannot RESPECT a man who simply accepts the unselfish sacrifices of his wife and runs to his past flame professing LOVE ! There r things in life MUCH more important than so called LOVE ! My mom's reputation was one thing , and so is Devki ! GO BACK from where u came . And if u STILL persist that you will NEVER be able to love Devki etc etc , I don't care , I know this much , I AM NEVER HAVING U BACK .

This was what I had wished that strong woman to do . To remain with her dignity intact and give Vaibhav the lesson of his life .

She was never a flawed character or a weak one . The CVS butchered her when

She did not consider Vicky Oberoi's wife's feelings and involved him in those stupid lies

When she fled from there without even meeting Devki who took care of her health ...that was basic courtesy . She instead went to meet Baa . It was not Baa who had brought her there , it was Devki and she had taken care of her health .U owe a person something in life when the person takes care of ur health .

When she accepted Vaibhav inspite of knowing Devki's feelings and returned when once she had walked away , thinking so logically and with such mental strength . The real answer shud have been THINGS HAVE CHANGED NOW .

I wud have respected her immensely then . She really was not the type who practical in a common sort of way ...the type who when things r handed on a platter , think it is really stupid to refuse them and grab them .Sabina was practical , yes , but in a rather uncommon kind of way .

I wud personally have loved to see Vaibhav being left alone ...Sabina refusing him and Devki walking off with IMV's coin in her hand .

But That kind of ending NO SERIIAL in India will show .😆 So I wud have preferred him coming back to Devki , chastised like HELL . Devki would have accepted him and soothed him .

Had Devki met Sabina , Sabinas answer should have been ,Its really not in ur boundary to tell ME if I should accept V now . I am not accepting him for MY reasons . This might surprise u , but There it is .

Never got to see this .






Of course, Sabina was not flawed. I apologize. It was her history that was perceived as flawed. I agree that Sabina and Charu and IMV were kept safe from the butchering until the end, but I'm not so sure that she was butchered at the end. She had no responsibility towards Vaibhav to tell him the truth about her blackmail though she had the right. She chose not to exercise it, because she still wanted to stay away and that was her right. She turned away from the mandap when she saw the marriage was solemnised because she respected the institution of marriage. She is not responsible for VD marriage breaking, VD are. Why should she respect their marriage when they don't? Why should she, an outsider, fight for their marriage, when Devki didn't? When Devki fought to break her marriage? Sabina is not responsible for Devki falling in love with Vaibhav. Neither is Sabina responsible for Devki deciding to give up Vaibhav. Sabina is only responsible for her own actions, which include the fiasco with Vicky Oberoi. Marriage is more important than a month old love affair or a 10 year old love affair, if and only if it is considered a marriage and given the respect it deserves by the people in the marriage, in this case VD. Vaibhav wasn't invested maybe, but once Devki fell in love with Vaibhav, she should have fought for him. Even if she gave up in the end, shw should have fought for her marriage. In fact, she did the exact opposite. Sabina also loved Vaibhav unselfishly, and she let him go. Like Sabina had her reasons for not marrying Vaibhav, Devki had her reasons for marrying him even though she knew he loved someone else. Though I would have preferred Sabina not taking Vaibhav back coz she deserved better, if she wanted, why shouldn't she? There were two reasons for Sabina to refuse Vaibhav before marriage, one to protect her past and two, because she didn't want him estranged. And after marriage, because she respected a marriage and Devki to stay away. None of these reasons were valid at the end. Her past was out in front of the whole world and the press had had its feild day. Vaibhav's family with the exception of IMV accepted her and were in fact fighting with IMV for her. Devki herself gave up on her marriage saying that it wasn't a marriage, only a compromise. None of the three reasons remained. She was a woman with no family, but with a good heart. She loved Vaibhav, whatever he was, and was refusing her heart running away each time? How long should she run? And why? When she no longer had a reason to? And what would happen if she refused him again? Would Vaibhav go back to Devki? Would Devki come down from her mahaan post and work on her marriage? Would anyone be happy? Why then, should she refuse just to be strong. A person has the first responsibility towards self. Not by being blind to others, but not killing self in the process either. Vaibhav was blind to others in his self-obsession, and Devki was blind to her self in her mahaanta obsession. Only Sabina among the three was real and true to herself. If she will live in shame and guilt the rest of her life, so be it. That's her choice and the consequences of her choice. She alone has to face it. Just like Devki will live with the pain of losing her first love. Both may heal with time, or if it doesn't both are strong women to live with their choices. In the end, I firmly believe a marriage is between two people and it becomes what they make of it. And it gets the respect they themselves show it. If VD dont respect marriage, others don't have a responsibility to respect their marriage either.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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one can't refute the worth of elders just by their reading of life based on experiences..there are so many important and bigger things in life.. that one just can't deal with the tools of romance...

SO true . HOWWW i agree with is beautifully worded statement . Thats what Life taught ME .

I don't want to judge the opinions of others , but I feel so surprised to see some young minds believing THIS naively in 'LOVE" and its power to change things after marraige .

Romance is literally a mind game and lasts for two minutes in life . After that ALL the practial things start hitting u like bullets from all sides . Your daily bread butter , ur ambitions , children , conflicts within families , sicknesses , tragedies ...WHERE does one have time to romance ?

What remains is the real thing after a hard days work ...those two minutes u spend with ur spouse ...like Charu taking that coat off personally as a marital discipline so she cud catch the two minutes with him and his mind . The anxious reading of each others minds and the give and take of it .

THAT was marraige . THAT was real .

I wanted this serial to run badly coz I had hoped to see Charu finding about CP and one day going to Tejo's ashram somewhere without telling IMV , to be in seclusion and think it out . And I wanted to see IMV missing her and yelling at all like a grouchy bear . This missing should have come out of habit ...not romance , but comfortable habit , one that gave him a moments peace at the end of the day , unknown to himself .

I wanted to see him calling out to her , looking towards the side of the partition to see that well made empty bed , stopping near her meditation room and looking in it , picking up the phone from office to tell her something like a delegation is coming to dinner , plzz see to the arrangements ...only to realise shes NOT THERE .

And then going to bring her back , and yelling at her after seeing her , of how IRRESPONSIBLE she is to leave like that without telling .

And Charu smiling , to herself , at his yelling , and coming back without a word or a condition , egolessly , understanding his action and not wanting the words .

I DO believe the CVS wud have shown us this if the serial had continued .

THIS was the REAL THING . No romance , no vocal expressions of LOVE . Just something intensely real .

They showed some thing like this in the movie Guru when he goes to bring her back and she runs egolessly in his arms .

I wanted IMV to realise Charu's worth . And I wanted IMV to tell her that although he spoke less, it was not as if he was UNAWARE .

One can have hundreds of flings before marraige . But Marraige is the real thing .

I will come to Baa , But after a break . Want to sukhofy my Gala on that woman .😡



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Posted: 13 years ago
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woh its mb part II what happens after imv left. it is said,with great power & authority, 100 times responsibility comes. if one can't handle responsiblity, that power will become void very fast. All viranis except imv enjoyed power to max extent without following underlying responsibility. they were saved just because imv was there to shoulder all the burden.

but post imv era,thats not possible; v.industires will see lot of rough weather and eventually will sail through due to its sheer size;albeit with some permanent damage; but vv lost the golden opportunity to create legacy. i am ok justice was not done with imv in the end due to time & other factors, but v.industries was not even treated like alien and trashed totally. now this is real idealism as in real world such thing is near to impossible due to immense pressure from all whose lives r dependent on that entitiy and no one will allow any damage done to that entitiy even when successor like vv is in the question
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Posted: 13 years ago
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And it gets the respect they themselves show it. If VD dont respect marriage, others don't have a responsibility to respect their marriage either.

I differ here . 😊 Its not THEIR marraige ...its respecting MARRAIGE period . She returned the first time from mandap ...not coz she was afraid of IMV , or press . The two reasons u outlined for refusing Vaibhav ...her moms reputation ...was NOT what sent Sabina back from the mandap . When she came to the mandap , Had not she gotten OVER that fear ?😊 IMV's blackmail had ceased to frighten . Vaibhavs family was ready to fight for her even then ...Baa and Sid WERE with her and had that marraige stopped , Charu and ALL wud have known the facts . Vaibhav STILL loved her . Why did she return ? She returned coz she respected Marraige as an institution . As sonali said , She returned coz she did not find it worth it that so much wud be disrupted due to an unwelcome marraige ...a business , a family structure .

Well nothing had changed towards the end too . Infact some addition had occured ...Devki had fallen in LOVE with Vaibhav which wud NOT have occured had Sabina spoken up at the mandap .

Why should she suddenly be 'real' and 'human' at the end ? She was NOT this at all , her character was a mahaan character only . Tiill the end it shud have remained just THAT .

The only real character was IMV ...he hated mahaanta . Devki , Sabina , were mahaan characters while Charu CP were characters with convictions of their own .




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