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Posted: 13 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: sonali.19281


egjactly my sentiment.. pak chuki hu yaar.. IMO VV and Sabina have nothing more to offer to this track.. ab jo bhi action hain D and iMV ki taraf se hi hona chahiye.. and it'll be more interesting if D in the bargain as usual stands against IMV..🀣 bina jaaney as usual. IMV ke jee ka janjaal D.. whom he in some ways loves in his life nowπŸ˜‰.. tht'll be more interesting.. VS ka closure ke saath IMV has to keep D out of this mess.. double challenge for him.. and more the challenges for IMV more interesting it gets..In this track I guess D will sorta find out what IMV is truly capable of.. πŸ˜† and in JN track she will fully find out.. as per reports earlier.. IDK kuch na kuch bada dhamaka is in the offing buddy.. πŸ˜†

P.S whether she finds out abt Sabina and VV i am least interested abt rite now.. I m more excited abt her finding out abt CP.. does a mental zumba on that thought.. paving way to her finally finding out abt IMV-CP.. 6948274856 khushi ke aansoon.. and then maybe she will see IMV for what he is.. like CP did.. and she will be his redemption.. what CP cldnt do her daughter will do.. coz doesnt CP always teach her to spread love.. the love tht IMV needs.. to make peace with life and its unfairness.. it may just come from D.. sigh.. now those are things I want to see.. 😍


sabina track really had nothing to offer, vs toh cannot happen faaltu mein vd kii gadi atak gayi bas
and vo kii bh band baj gayiπŸ˜†
yup imv redemption will come from d, dont u remember the 1st promo of mb
imv saying lekin abhi bahut kuch seekhna baaki tha
phir mein mila ek aise insaan se jisne meri zindagi ke maayne hi badal diye
that was d , cp cant change him and he wont listen to her cos she has in a way done damage to him
d has done nothing to him , and she is a mixtue of imv and cpπŸ˜‰πŸ˜†
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Posted: 13 years ago
#32

Originally posted by: intruderfast


sabina track really had nothing to offer, vs toh cannot happen faaltu mein vd kii gadi atak gayi bas
and vo kii bh band baj gayiπŸ˜†
yup imv redemption will come from d, dont u remember the 1st promo of mb
imv saying lekin abhi bahut kuch seekhna baaki tha
phir mein mila ek aise insaan se jisne meri zindagi ke maayne hi badal diye
that was d , cp cant change him and he wont listen to her cos she has in a way done damage to him
d has done nothing to him , and she is a mixtue of imv and cpπŸ˜‰πŸ˜†
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...".wow"


i agree...only devki can change imv life...she is daughter of cp & her mom is the biggest weakness of imv..& that's reason he can't face D & as per mb story...ek insaan uski life ke mayne ko badal dati hai...& i am sure..."devki" ... kisi main itani himmat nahin ki woh imv ke" beautifulπŸ˜‰ mind" se panga le sake...yeh kaam sirf meri lovely innocent "d" hi kar sakti hai...i am eagerly waiting imv & devki fight & how she can change imv " beautifulπŸ˜‰ mind"...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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~True 2 ur name indeed w nice like ice reads (btwn above below n behind the lines of the show & its characters) put forth...
~KoolSadhu..."well-written" is an understatement that actually takes away, if speechlessness has a voice..i humbly take a bow..
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Posted: 13 years ago
#34

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

Very beautiful answer sonali and thank you for replying in detail , i appreciate that .


I read it and re read it and I DO understand what u said .

I agree with you . She has NOT set herself free from the burden of being accountable to V's problem . What she has done is attempt to let go factually , but has not succeeded psychologically . Indeed its NOT her place to try and get them back together ...and indeed she should simply state her decision , and walk off . Thats what CP did .

But CP is a sanyasi . She has renounced accountability to ALL ...not just to her former lover IMV .😊 She has renounced accountability to even a little girl ...Devaki , who was left in the clutches of an alcoholic father to fend for herself with her own karma . She renounced accountability to her old father 's grief ...she knew very well he would perhaps die of shock upon hearing of her tragic death in the accident . IMV is door ki baat ...renouncing accountability to little Devaki's burden was far more tougher ...and If she could do that , she REALLY renounced the world ...she took SANYAS .

Sabina is NOT a sanyasi . She is very much in the common human world . Why expect this sanyasi mentality from her ?😊 Her story , in my opinion , shud be viewed like any other common human's story . Its her struggle with HER pain and Her Love .

Just like IMV has HIS story of HIS love and HIS pain . Its His struggle .

Not every one can be like CP and set themselves free this way . Very few people in this world will be able to come to that level where they will be able to let go of their accountability to human relationships .

For CP to come to this point ...this renunciation point , she endured terrible PAIN on every level . It was NOT just her love story with IMV that made her renounce the world . She had a bad marraige and a brutal alcoholic husband ...her life sunk to a zero level . So much so that she welcomed the accident as a release from her first life .

Sabina has NOT led that life . She has not married AT all . she has no children ...she is financially independent unlike CP . CP's financial dependency and traditional outlook of staying put in a marraige arranged by father , however bad it is by giving up protest of ANY kind led to the breaking point and her subsequent renunciation . Sabina , who is a film actress , moves in bohemian circles and HAS the capability to walk out on any situation in llife ...She has the capacity to care a fig about social norms and divorce a husband like Dali and stay like a single mother with her daughter .

CP did NOT . Sabina's financial independence and strength binds her to the world with the false sense [ spiritually speaking } that I am the Doer ...which happens with hundreds of human beings . CP 's utter helplessness freed her from this sense of Doership ...she understood that nothing is in one's hands ...simply accept all that comes ur way and walk with the flow . Paradoxically her helplessness set her free .

But Sabina who is anything but a helpless woman ...retains the sense of Doership . So does IMV , as his financial strength gives him that false ego , that he can indeed effect change .

You urself said that each one's individual experiences shape each one's thinking . When CP's experiences r vastly different from Sabina's ...why expect same attitude to life from them ?😊

The commonality between the 3 women ...CP , Sabina and Rajvi is that they have men passionately in love with them , but they have opted to accept what fate ordained for them . But it ends there , this commonality . HOW they deal with this letting go process is strictly individualistic . CP and Rajvi r the types who listened to their fathers and accepted what came their way ...neither r both financially independent nor non traditional . CP's fate was bad , her husband turned out to be a first class loser ...Rajvi's hubby was good , and bearable . CP chose to run away , Rajvi found sticking on tolerable .

The mental detachment of all 3 women should not be compared in my opinion ...as their lives r vastly different . The pain levels r different ...the circumstances r different .

The only common factor is they all 3 have marvellous control and the ability to endure .

Sabina was going to go back . The card changed things . It induced a sense of guilt in her ...a sense of accountability not to V but to D . He was NOT giving that young girl a proper marraige as he was NOT over HER . A compassionate woman , she was stirred , and she decided to put things right for D .

The sense of guilt was not misplaced nor was it megalomania . It was indeed the truth ...V took zero interest in D coz he loved Sabina . He was simply not getting over her .

The sense of guilt was human . CP did away with all senses of guilt when she renounced the world ...even with the sense of guilt of abandoning Devaki .But thats not an oridinary human reaction at all .😊 Its happens once in a million ...expecting Sabina to have this detachment mentally is unrealistic . Even Rajvi will not have it ...she plodded in her loveless marraige for 8 years only due to her attachment to her child .

If what Sabina is doing is nothing short of sucide , what CP did with her entire life is nothing short of suicide too . Never protesting , suffering alcoholic abuse , giving up her daughter and walking out ...till she found her peace , she too voluntarily suffered .😊

One day Sabina too will find her peace , . But I will not expect CP's level of detachment from her right now .

As far as her speech goes , I do NOT find her lying . She made two references in her speech about LOve as SHE comprehended it ...

MAR MITNA ...which she practically practised herself as she took a bullet literally for Vaibhav

Letting go ...which she practically , if not mentally , practised herself .

As far as Devki goes . its too early to predict that she will have the same level of detachment as her mother and will psychologically let go just like her mother . Firstly , she has nothing yet to let go of . Secondly , the sense of detachment is arrived at due to individualistic experiences , it is not inherited .πŸ˜†πŸ˜† and Devki's life has been VERY different from CP's . She has studied in London , She is financially independent and she is in love with a man who does not return it ...unlike her mom who was a simple stay at home mom and had been in love with a man who returned her love with passionate ferocity ...IMV .

I would not be surprised if D 's way of letting go wud be entirely different than her mom's . She IS different compared to her mom in some ways ...IMV once commented on it . He told her CP did NOT have this ZID in her ...she simply accepted life as it is . You are different . IMV's words .😊

Like Sabina D does have the tendency to 'set things right ' for others . Sid's painting , for instance .πŸ˜‰

So lets wait and see .



Terrific analysis, hats off πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Sonali u talk abt S setting herself free...i'm totally lost abt psycological talks nd all dat...I tend 2 take things at face-value nd whn u say dat up 2 a point CP tried 2 reason wid IMV, but whn she realised d futility of it all she gave him her book nd left. Well S too frm d moment she came face 2 face wid V nd D, has been trying 2 make her getaway...but fate (or rather d makersπŸ˜‰) don't want her out of d picture so soon. Also as far as IMV is concerned, although he is pinning away for CP, he has moved on wid his life...has established an extremely successful business house, got married, had children...basically done d whole 9 yards. Dat is NOT d case wid V.

S initailly guessed nd later after reading D's card knew 4 sure dat V's marraige life was a farce nd dat he was living too much in d past. Only after dat did she panic nd took d drastic measure of bringing in a fake pati into d picture. As d saying goes hindsight is better thn foresight, so it wasn't d best of plans nd undoubtedly dat is gonna cost S as well as VO.
OK its a moot point abt d kind of life S has lead since she left 4 S'pore as u rightly said dat it wasn't shown...but frm wat has been shown, it's evident dat she hasn't been pinning away for V. Her making a new life beyond V's reach was an indication of her self-preservation. Even b4 she was shown as quite a loner...so it isn't like she gv up her family nd all. Also as far as her career is concerned, IMV had infact accused of her trying 2 latch up younger nd richer businessman now dat her career was waning nd there was little chance of revival. So it was a smart nd practical move on her part 2 start afresh in a new place, free frm all her past baggages nd d media glare.


Munira: I dont get it.. you are still trying to explain to me.. what I have always said I dont contest.. Sabina's intention..πŸ˜† its noble.. her efforts noble.. none of these characters are my mama chacha for me to defend or contest them or blame the makers.. obv what we are debating/discussing is their psyche as manifested by the makers..

All I am saying is at some point Sabina is being too obstinate for her own good.. she is TRYING too hard.. esp after she saw sense in what Sid said.. sometimes when efforts dont pay the desired results one should just resign.. or take another strategy..

I on some levels see the melancholy in her too what with the sitting in her room and switching on n off lights..πŸ˜† kidding.. you know VO made me see things even better.. in the scene where he is giving her options.. and when she gets irked he says.. I am trying to UNDERSTAND what YOU WANT.. tht is more imp.. what does she want. .and seriously.. I do get she doesnt want to get in btw VD.. she has anything but extreme affection for D and who wldn't but I have to resort to IMV here..

either a man is selfish or selfless.. there is no middle path.. VO said the same.. there is no middle path Sabina.. if you want to throw your khayal from VVs mind you have to accept tht it will be bitter.. all for a better cause.. although she may like a non-bitter parting.. in this case its impractical.. coz he will always be dwelling in her fondness if he did not get a reason to NOT be FOND of it anymore.. πŸ˜›

P.S. As d saying goes hindsight is better thn foresight

whoever said tht.. needs to take a look at IMVs diabolic actionsπŸ˜†.. no jokes apart.. I defo couldnt agree less.. thts why the long debates.. introspection is wayyy more interesting and stimulating than retrospectionπŸ˜‰.. thts y when I kept ranting she is making a mess. you ppl termed it Sabina lowee..πŸ˜† I was just introspectingπŸ˜†
Edited by sonali.19281 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@Kools: Hmm so the one Sat I spend kayaking and returning tired to the very bone of my existence is the sat the forum decides to buzz..πŸ˜† nevertheless I feel like I have found my bearings back now to reply to your well thought out and spelled out post.. If I may say.. did not bear your characteristic "bluntness" like you sayπŸ˜†

alright getting to it. .I agree on all counts of your post.. but as usual you put me in defensive here..

Sabina is NOT a sanyasi . She is very much in the common human world . Why expect this sanyasi mentality from her ?😊 Her story , in my opinion , shud be viewed like any other common human's story . Its her struggle with HER pain and Her Love .

You urself said that each one's individual experiences shape each one's thinking . When CP's experiences r vastly different from Sabina's ...why expect same attitude to life from them ?😊

you defo read my last post but did not go back to where that reference to context emanated from.. my original post.. I would never be unfair to Sabina and disrespectful to CP to equate both together.. they are not a FAIR COMPARISON by any means.. I had said long back Sabina is no CP.. period.. generalizing is anything but my norm.. In fact much like Munira brought out the point yet again.. and something you have said before.. much like CP and Sabina cant be compared. .IMV and VV too cant be compared.. coz their personality is different.. their time and space is different.. how they react is different.. I have stressed about how IMVs 30 yrs of matrimony cant be equated to VVs 2 months of supposed domesticity.. so if I can see tht I should be able to see this too..

Having said that.. I tend to have objectivity but Its hard for me as an individual to let go of my convictions at some point too.. right.. so while you feel strongly for the institution of marriage.. I can relate to CPs sense of detachment and loss of accountability.. and NO.. its not SANYASI behavior.. I practice it in real life and trust me AM anything but profound and spiritualπŸ˜†.. I compared D to CP coz I see similarities in their convictions.. and see the potential in D..to make similar decisions.. she does try to set things right.. but when met with the first adversity from IMV.. she recoils..πŸ˜› again making it clear.. I am NOT EQUATING anyone. .i am saying I can relate to CPs stand better.. coz to me its better thought out..

But Sabina who is anything but a helpless woman ...retains the sense of Doership . So does IMV , as his financial strength gives him that false ego , that he can indeed effect change .

with Sabina if you read my first post you took out tht line from. .I said she needs to see she is but human.. to me what she lacks is a DIALOGUE.. with her own self.. she is living in this incessant monlogue.. and if I can term her sense of DOING anything.. I will call it white man's burden..trust me I suffer from it a lot but have sorta reconciled with tht sense of detachment.. coz most often than not I feel its not my place.. my free-spirit values independence like nothing else.. and I like to give others tht sense of independence in their decision making skills.. however lacking they might beπŸ˜†.. secondly right now I just find Sabina being obstinate.. if you compare her sense of doing to IMVs... you wld see how flexible he is in his strategies.. it keeps changing considering the requisites.. he is shrewd.. again AM NOT equating them.. I relate to IMVs more.. in this context.. Sabina needs to have back ups.. she has put herself in a bigger mess.. with tht one ultimate goal of making a change with her monologue to VV.. who is to say tht will work.. and right now IMV will keep putting her in defensive.. she needs to weigh the effectiveness vs futility of her actions more than ever..

The sense of guilt was not misplaced nor was it megalomania . It was indeed the truth ...V took zero interest in D coz he loved Sabina . He was simply not getting over her .


Again obv its her perspective.. thts y I said I wld rather have not had it fall in her hands.. coz she is seeing it from her vision.. the reality isnt just abt tht.. If the same card had fallen into Sid's eyes.. he wld still stick to VV needs time out.. he will come around with time.. like he told Sabina.. trust me I did see hope in what Sid said in the long run.. he may not passionately love D.. oh heck not.. but he just may give her the place she wants once he knows she wants it.. its not practical to expect him to have similar reciprocation or bigger share.. well D doesnt expect it either.. and I dont see why she shld demand it like Sabina keeps telling her.. D is a smart corporate who works her way with her shares.. one day she does see herself as the prime share holder in Vs life.. πŸ˜‰ and there was defo a start in Vs bday.. before all went haywire..πŸ˜†

only VD understand their equation.. no outsider can.. and hence shldnt meddle.. and crowd their psyches.. not master.. not baa.. not sabina.. and it makes it worse coming from her.. its not helping the bigger cause.. thts my big question.. to what extent.. and to what end is she gonna try.. Talk to VV.. what if he fails to understand.. can she just leave him to himself and leave.. if she can still no harm done.. if she still lives with her accountability.. she is digging a bigger hole for herself and them..

One day Sabina too will find her peace

thats exactly what she is trying to do.. dont you see... all her attempts at the end is at the big goal towards finding tht peace by helping VD.. but my thing is know when to stop..

on that note.. peace out.. m mentally tired discussing Sabina.. coz as much as I try.. I cant get her.. at this point she is just coming across as foolhardy and impractical to me.. and on some divine collision course..πŸ˜†
Edited by sonali.19281 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I can relate to CPs sense of detachment and loss of accountability.. and NO.. its not SANYASI behavior.. I practice it in real life and trust me AM anything but profound and spiritualπŸ˜†.. I

Sanyas is renunciation . One need not belong to a particular faith or practise spiritual discipline for it . 😊 I have no doubt whatsoever that u practise it ...I too try to inculcate the sense of detachment u talk of ... . Thats the reason I understood u . My only point is , its RARE . Getting to that state is rare , its uncommon .

I wonder whether she is trying to find her peace by bringing V and D together . I think her attempt to bring them together is more of an afterthought AFTER she faced reality and found her peace the moment she came to grips with it .

The obstinacy , though annoying is well meant . I find it equally on par with V's annoying and constant obstinate dwelling on ille ille moments and Devki's obstinate attempts to do ALL she can for V's dost ...simply to score brownie points with him , when such pushy niceness is not really required . πŸ˜†

As a viewer I only see this much ...That she could have used the same obstinacy for destroying IMV and getting V back which she cud have done in a jiffy . Somehow , annoying though it is , I cannot trivialize it coz I see only the bottom line . [ Plz do not think I am saying YOU trivialize it , I am only telling my thoughts .}

As for V and D , their relation is sinking due to various reasons for which both of them r responsible , IMV is responsible ...Sabina's meddling is honestly a miniscule part of it . Many many layers there .

hahaha πŸ˜† Really , we have exhausted ourselves on this subject so yes peace ! I just watched Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam and found the last scene touching . πŸ˜†






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Posted: 13 years ago
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@Kools: As a viewer I only see this much ...That she could have used the same obstinacy for destroying IMV and getting V back which she cud have done in a jiffy . Somehow , annoying though it is , I cannot trivialize it coz I see only the bottom line .

πŸ˜†Now now.. even at its worst MB is better off than going tht road.. of mindlessness.. Sabina commands much more respect for her integrity for even me to consider tht plan of action from her..coz I strongly believe she walked out at her own will not only coz of IMVs pressure..πŸ˜‰

Exactly how much annoying it is (gosh cant they get done with it alreadyπŸ˜†) we cant trivialize it.. its just our frustrations pouring out.. on the ones who have our relative less affection .. and those we are finding hard to understand..

As for V and D , their relation is sinking due to various reasons for which both of them r responsible , IMV is responsible ...Sabina's meddling is honestly a miniscule part of it . Many many layers there .

I still dont see it sinking.. both have frozen it.. put a pin and kept it aside.. it has defo been more their individual journey ever since S walked in.. their OWN expectations.. etc.. neither has really put tht on their companionship.. VV lesser defo.. and I am a strong believer of individual stakes.. so I wld never give S d credit of brkin their relationship.. πŸ˜†if it does succumb .. it wasn't strong enough or its their own prerogative..

hahaha πŸ˜† Really , we have exhausted ourselves on this subject so yes peace ! I just watched Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam and found the last scene touching

I swear i AM just so ready to move on already..πŸ˜† find other things to talk abt.. oh so u did see HDDCS.. I so wished VV made the conscious decision Ash did.. wrt to his fantasizing abt the fascinating companionship with S but valuing his reality with D and wanting to settle down with it.. but at this point even if he has a reconciliation like Preity in Kal Ho Na Ho where she said ppl find partners in love.. but I found my perfect partner in my friend.. I wld be more than happy.. just a reconciliation is the order of the day.. a subtle one much like Sid's to put his life in order😊 coz your life is related to your family's too.. much against or for your wishes..πŸ˜†

P.S. btw if you care for movie recommendations watch I AM.. a recent movie I have admired on a lot of levels.. 😊
Edited by sonali.19281 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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but at this point even if he has a reconciliation like Preity in Kal Ho Na Ho where she said ppl find partners in love.. but I found my perfect partner in my friend.. I wld be more than happy..

We r one on this . 😊 Sadly , till now I have not found him thinking of D even ONCE , except that day when he noticed her sleeping on the sofa , waiting up for him . I honestly want him to appreciate her value independent of Sabina's influence .

I think we will be rewarded . He will read that card when he is just about to go to Sabina , and his sense of duty will pull him back ...when V decides NOT to go after Sabina , it will be a conscious choice .

The card will fall in his hands at a most crucial moment ...I sispect all this build up of total indifference to D is for that only .

IMV meanwhile will act as catalyst .πŸ˜†

But honestly I want him to go to D , independent of Sabinas advice or IMV's machinations .
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P.S. btw if you care for movie recommendations watch I AM.. a recent movie I have admired on a lot of levels..

Is that the name ?Who stars in it ?
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