Significance of Allah's month Muharram - Page 6

Originally posted by: laila1994

Let me clear onething,

my father told me once that we don't cry coz Imam Hussain (A.S) was Martyred (Shaheed) in the cruellest way possible but because he was helpless (Mazloom).

That's why shia calls him Mazloom-e-Qarbla not Shaheed-e-Qarbla when they mourn.

and there is no such thing like Shia muslims or sunni muslims. We all are just Muslims. again I would quote my father he said, " Being Muslim is religious choice but being shia or sunni is not religious it's cultural."

I hope I was able to present my point in understandable way without offending anyone.😊

Originally posted by: christiandior.

I clearly object against this post.

May I kindly request the topic maker to edit his or her post and remove the following paragraph:

"There is misunderstanding amongst many people that Muharram is a mourning month while it holds its own unique importance since the beginning of time as described above. There is also a misunderstanding that Muharram's importance is only due to the sad incident of Karbla which took place on 10th Muharram in 61 Hijery."

Muharram, in all significance is known as a mourning month in Islam because the Holy Prophet (PBUH)'s grandson sacrificed his life in order to save the religion of Islam. There is no where written in the Quran that a person is not allowed to mourn for more than three days.

Yes, there are differences between the opinions of Shi'a Muslims and Sunni Muslims. But you cannot make a post and decide for everyone as to what happens. If nothing else, you could have at least left a footer saying that the opinion of Muslims from other sectors may vary from yours.

I request for an immediate change to this post as soon as is possible. It is quite offensive to allow just a one-sided post on the view of Muharram.

Originally posted by: hukshila

My dear, in Surah Taubah verse 36 it is mentioned that there are 12 months since Allah created this world in Allah's register and out of them 4 are sacred and Muharram is one of them as described in Ahadith so if i say that Muharram has its own significance since the beginning of the time, it justified in light of the following.

Indeed, the number of months with Allah is twelve [lunar] months in the register of Allah [from] the day He created the heavens and the earth; of these, four are sacred. That is the correct religion, so do not wrong yourselves during them. And fight against the disbelievers collectively as they fight against you collectively. And know that Allah is with the righteous [who fear Him]. (Quran 9:36).

Narrated by Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him): The Prophet (Peace be Upon Him) said. "(The division of time has turned to its original form which was current when Allah created the Heavens and the Earths. The year is of twelve months, out of which four months are sacred: Three are in succession Dhul-Qa' da, Dhul-Hijja and Muharram, and (the fourth is) Rajab of (the tribe of) Mudar which comes between Jumadi-ath-Thaniyah and Sha ban."(Bukhari Vol 4, Book 54 number 419)

and in the light of following hadith, it is mentioned that mourning more than 3 days is not allowed, it is only allowed for a wife to mourn for 4 months and 10 days for her husband.

Narrated by Umm 'Ateeyah (May Allah be pleased with Her): "We were forbidden to mourn for more than three days for a dead person, except for a husband, in which case a woman should mourn for four months and ten days [during this period] we were not allowed to wear khol on our eyes, nor perfume ourselves, nor wear colored clothes, except 'asab cloth. It was permissable for us at the time of bathing at the end of menses to use a small amount of incense. (Bukhari, vol.7, pp.193-4, number 254 and Sahih Muslim, vol.2, p.778, number 3552)

besides that Prophet Mohammad Peace be Upon Him especially asked not to mourn more than 3 days for Ja'far (May Allah be pleased with Him)
Narrated by Abdullah ibn Ja'far (May Allah be pleased with Him): Prophet (Peace be Upon Him) delayed coming to visit Ja'far's family 'for three days after his death, then he came to them and said, "Do not cry for my brother after today." (Abud Dawood, Vol 3, p. 1165, number 4180)

still if you want, i can add a footer there, and i didn't decide what to do for every one, i just conveyed what i found out in my research, I have been thinking and considering Muharram as a mourning month since my childhood, until i read and found out that its actual importance which is going on since the beginning of the world. NO OFFENSE to anyone

Originally posted by: christiandior.

Once again, I apologize for making an issue out of this.

However, I still stand still with my point and that is: this post is making a one-sided post on Islam. The title "Significance of Allah's Muharram" is wide concept and it cannot be kept just to Sunni beliefs. We are all Muslims, we should respect each other's opinions.

The references of the three days mourning period that you have given are not from the Qur'an, nor from the Prophet (PBUH). It is from a book written by a Sunni scholar, so of course the opinion is not the same as what a Shi'a scholar would have written.

So yes, I still request you to add a footnote or even better, a note at the beginning of your post that the opinion(s) in this post are resourced by Sunni references and not related to Shi'a.

I rest my case.

PS: I have sent you a PM and I will appreciate if you can reply to that as soon as is possible for you.

Regards.

[/QUOTE as per your dean
my dear, i have already replied pm and footnote is added. sorry for being late here in checking, i m not much active. by chance checked it now and got the messages.

i believe islam is only islam, not shia or sunni islam. Allah made us mulisms and Prophet Mohammad Peace be Upon Him, his companions May Allah be pleased with all of Them and all Prophets May Peace be upon all of Them, were only muslims.

Edited by hukshila - 10 years ago

Originally posted by: christiandior.

Hi Laila,

Thanks for replying. And of course not, you have stated your opinion in a very legit manner; I appreciate that.

First point: your father says it right. Imam Hussain (AS) was helpless when everyone he had were sacrificed to save Islam and there was nobody to stand by him (which brings His quote of "hal min naathirin yansurna, hal mim mugethee yugheethuna" - "is there any helper to help us, is there any rescuer to rescue us"). Therefore he was definitely madhloom, but that does not mean that he was not shaheed. He is a shaheed, and so are his family members and the 72 companions - which is why Imam Hussain (AS)'s title is Ash-Shaheed (The Martyred One) in the listing of the fourteen Ma'asumeen.

Second point: I agree, but only to an extent. We are all Muslims - yes, perfect and well said. United we stand, divided we fall. I am not here to create a Sunni vs Shi'a war. No. But when Sunni and Shi'a have a difference of opinion, it is necessary that both sides be heard and not a decision given based on a one-sided argument. Coming to your point, in order to understand the depth of the difference between being a Sunni and being a Shi'a one needs quite a bit of religious knowledge. It is certainly not a cultural issue (I apologize for giving a contrasting opinion, and I am all for respect to your father). It only becomes a cultural issue when one personally is not fond of digging his own religion. If you are born Sunni and you decide to follow it because your family is Sunni - this is cultural. But if you're born Sunni, and as you grow up you attend Madresah which strengthens your belief, tells you that yes, being a Sunni is what I personally want after my research and knowledge and not just blind faith - this is choice. Nobody forces one to be a Sunni or a Shi'a. But blankly saying that there's no difference between them is also ignorance because there exists a significant difference and one of them is the commemoration of Muharram.

The Tragedy of Karbala, the sacrifice of Imam Hussain (AS) is one of the biggest significant pillars of Islam (you will know this if you have studied the tragedy or read about Shi'as) - and this is the main reason why I was offended with this post, because it says Muharram is not for mourning and other such phrases which contrast the Shi'a Muslims' belief.

Originally posted by: laila1994

I think I read the post after edition was done or may be missed that part.😕

Yes it was kind of offensive,

Of course I know he was martyred so is every Imam. No second thoughts on that. I only said that it is not the reason of our mourning.

Let me tell you when my father told me this, it will make you understand my point better,

I asked my father that all the Imams were shaheed, so why we mourn over Imam Hussain (A.S) for 2 month while we only mourn over other Imam's only for a day except Hazrat Ali (A.S).

That's when he told me that the month of Muharram is not dedicated to him coz he was shaheed but becoz he was mazloom.

Second, you don't need to be sorry for disagreeing.

As ALLAH(S.W.T) says in Quran :

Surah Al-E-Imran

And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allh (i.e. this Qur'n), and be not divided among yourselves

As for those who divide Their religion and break up Into sects, you have no part in them in the least: Their affair is with Allah: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did." [Al-Qur'an 6:159]

Making sects is prohibited in Quran so can not be a part of Islam thus can not be religious at all,

And if you know'll know that history how & when Shia n sunni sect was found we you understand my father's point better.😊

Originally posted by: christiandior.

OH. Makes sense now. Pass my salaams to your dad. A good point he's got there!

As for the references you have made from the Quran, they are actually very interesting. Thank you for those. I will definitely look them up and use them for the research I am doing. As for sects in Islam, unfortunately, I have no say in them. They may be prohibited, but they do exist for a fact - which is why I pointed that the difference in the interpretation of Muharram be told.

Thank you for your opinion and insight, Laila! I truly appreciate it.

Originally posted by: 18mypride

beautiful thread
Masha Allah
Bless u dear friend.
Thank you😛
am waiting for your reply about my pm.