Originally posted by: BrhannadaArmour
My replies in green.
Anu1975 wrote:
@bold: Why will I make fun of you…No, never…I had my own reasons to think that way
- When Mandar is introduced, he is with a male friend who feels very protective about him and also insists to stay with him at the Deshmukhs…. He was there for some reason…
Yes, Mandar's friend Vishnu from Vikarabad joined him at the Deshmukh house, and Dr. Ramya also appeared there occasionally, but we never got any scenes of Mandar talking with them about his motivations. Maybe any such scenes got scrapped so that Mandar only talked to Raghav about his plan, and then they switched to the why-hasn't-Mandar-been-arrested-yet track. I don't think Vishnu was more protective of amnesiac Mandar than Farhad was protective of volatile Raghav, or Krishna was protective of tragic Pallavi.
Farhad and Krishna were more like friend cum sibling to Raghav and Pallavi, I never saw them getting possessive over Raghav and Pallavi…whereas Vishnu wanting to stay with Mandar at Deshmukhs came of as a bit of possessiveness …Mandar was going back to his family and He did not ask Vishnu to accompany him, it was Vishnu who insisted to be with him, so there was definitely a motive there, which changed subsequently due to change in narrative…
- Raghav tells to Pallavi that he had admitted Mandar in the hospital and later gets a call that Mandar got discharged by his family, but he didn’t return to Deshmukhs…so who is the secret family that Mandar had!!!
Yes, Dr. Janaki told Raghav that the patient's family got him discharged from the hospital. But "went home with family" is so commonplace, it could be a cover for anything that the hospital wants to hide: Mandar walked out unnoticed; he was accidentally wheeled to the morgue; he was sold to human traffickers; visitors brainwashed him to join a religious cult; he entered a witness protection program; he was beamed into an alien spacecraft ... Mandar running away with his male lover is one possibility - more plausible than Mandar travelling to Kolhapur to beat up boys who looked at Pallavi.
Lol, it could be anything….Vijay gets a call, Mandar leaves, He meets with an accident, Raghav admits him in the hospital, As per Dr. Janaki he is discharged by family, Dr. Ramya finds him injured and he suffers a memory loss…so who is the family that Dr.Janaki was talking about and if she is lying then why??? But According to Ayi, she is the one who calls Mandar to meet him on his wedding night to confront about Devyani’s death, he tries to kill her but falls from a cliff and she leaves him to die and returns home as if nothing happened…doesn’t bother to tell anyone, let’s Pallavi to lead a life of a widow, even celebrates Mandar’s birthday and asks Pallavi to join even after she is married to Rahgav…They planned something when they came up with Dr.Janaki’s claim about him getting discharged by his family in Mandar Accident probe track but again they changed the narrative to him meeting Ayi when they wanted to closed the Mandar track…similarly they had something in mind to show Vishnu stay with him at Deshmukhs but again ditched the plan…the back and forth they went with the narrative in this track due to Trps pressure makes it the most illogical track…that’s why producer lost interest…he just did know how to go about his vision after he changed the narrative in the Hyderabad track…
When Raghav confronted Dr. Janaki in early July, she said something that we didn't hear, but when Raghav narrated this meeting to Pallavi with a flashback, he said that Dr. Janaki left without saying anything. Why was the scene retconned? In my fan fiction, Raghav tells Farhad that Pallavi remembered Mandar as an honourable man, and thus Raghav found Dr. Janaki's story suspicious - that the patient willingly left with his "sister" Suhasini (guess who!) - implying that Raghav didn't want to tell Pallavi a story that disparaged Mandar.
- from Ayi’s conversation with Vijay, we know that Vijay had some issues with Mandar, he was indifferent towards him which did have some negative effect on Mandar…
At first, Vijay was written as a loving father. Vijay's heart attack was attributed to grief for Mandar. Sharada reminded Vijay that when Mandar was ten, he didn't win a drawing contest, and Vijay gave him a consolation prize. Vijay told Milind that he felt guilty when Mandar didn't come home after Vijay answered the land line and sent Mandar out to deal with something on the wedding night. I don't think anyone doubted Vijay's sincerity at Mandar's birthday pūjā on July 3. So, I was shocked by Sharada's later remarks - I don't remember exactly, but one time she said that Mandar felt that Vijay didn't listen, and another time that Vijay was never a good father. Whatever that meant, it couldn't have been as nonsensical as the track's ending, with Vijay blaming Pallavi for poor misunderstood Mandar.
The shift from a good father to a bad father was because of the script change in the Hyderabad track…they wanted to introduce Mandar as a positive character after revenge track that’s why he was always remembered as a noble and nice man in the initial episodes but since revenge track got replaced with Raghav’s redemption track, Pallavi who adored Mandar got changed to Pallavi did not meet Mandar and didn’t know much about him, Raghav’s betrayal due to woman got changed to Rahgav betrayed by Krishna Rao.. Ragahv Pallavi hate phase was changed to companionship and love, Entire narrative changed so Mandar had to be negative and Vijay was turned to a bad father to justify negative Mandar…
I felt they had planned to come up with something else about the fateful wedding night when Mandar doesn’t return but changed it to confrontation with Ayi in a hurry to wrap up the Mandar track coz it did not go as they planned…
Yes, the wrap-up had no continuity: Sharada held a mirror to reflect Pallavi's and Mandar's faces, then went out to a cliff, called Mandar to meet her, and waited while Mandar got hit by a car and presumably didn't get discharged from the hospital until 4 am, when Raghav got the call ... so it definitely wasn't what they planned.
The clue that someone died during the Mandar-Pallavi engagement was spoken by Pallavi in mid-June, right in the middle of Raghav's narration of his past with Krishna Rao. Maybe that was the abrupt turning point, when the makers decided that Raghav didn't lose his father and brother on account of a girl, Raghav didn't need redemption, Pallavi would feel sorry for him no matter how he insulted her family, Mandar would be homicidal, and Vijay's reasons for resenting Raghav would be replaced with boundless spite. About three weeks later, just after Raghav started having flashbacks of Mandar's accident, Pallavi told Jaya about Devayani who had died. If I recall correctly, Sharada's remarks about Vijay not being good to Mandar came just before and just after Mandar was discovered alive in mid-July. So, whether the makers ever thought of Mandar as gay, or not, the story was always going to be about a suspicious death.
I wrote in another thread, the Hyderabad redemption track was a unplanned one only to suit the bubble shoot coz of COVID…they had to shift to a different narrative which changed the entire course of MHRV…once back to kolapur they wanted to shift to their original plot but again they had to change the script coz of Trp pressures…
There were a lot of unplanned changes (e.g. Manasi's saṃgīta hiatus was used to introduce Ved). Please (if you or anyone else have time) tell me specifically what you think is original and what is shifted.
My impression is that the makers always planned that Raghav would defame Pallavi and Vijay would throw her out of the house, which is why we saw the gradual deterioration of Vijay's confidence in Pallavi. There was also a careful buildup to Raghav getting Nikhil in trouble to force Pallavi to marry him. Somewhere along the way, they decided to turn Jaya mellow and recast her, and jettison Akash. The promo of Vijay dragging Pallavi out had been shot when they suddenly had to shift to Hyderabad, and so they had to (re-?)shoot the actual scene in Janakamma's house. Some post-defamation Raghav scenes outside his mansion may have been shot in Kolhapur (I'm not sure about the scenes outside Kirti's house with the graffiti), but the whole Jaya-is-invited-but-Nikhil-getting-out-of-jail-is-on-TV sloppy forced marriage track was shot in Hyderabad. The wedding promo of Pallavi seeking widowhood could have been the plan, until they took the chicken pox detour for the neem-leaves-banter and flirty hair-combing scenes. Who knows if Raghav was originally supposed to find out that Pallavi didn't deserve any of his abuse? This was followed by the Pallavi-gives-Raghav-thirty-days-in-Mandar's-name track that introduced Luṅgīvālā Raghav and Sunny.
When did they shoot a scene/promo of Raghav-disguised-as-older-man? Does anyone else think, as I do, that Pallavi was supposed to expose Sulochana and prove that Raghav was on Vijay's side?
I am convincing myself more and more that the story abruptly changed direction around the June 12 episode, when Raghav narrated his tragic past. After that, Raghav was the only protagonist and Pallavi existed only to appreciate him.
Hate marriage promo was all about revenge track…Pallavi trying to burn the suhaag ka joda and Raghav with the kaanto ki bediya lines..implying Pallavi will still try to live as Mandar’s widow despite being Raghav’s wife and Raghav will keep her trapped in the relationship…
My understanding is after forced marriage, Pallavi as a revenge works to expose Raghav’s illegal business, coz she figured out Raghav was behind trapping Nikhil which Nikhil was still not aware off..may be in the course of investigation something happens to Nikhil if he continues to work for Harish…Pallavi finds Mandar’s engagement ring in the store room at RR mansion and finding out that Raghav was behind the accident…they had no plans to reduce the animosity between the two anytime soon in fact they wanted to increase it at least till both the Ex returned…But both the scenarios they could not go with coz they had to shoot within a confined space with restricted number of people and no outdoor shooting…they had to spin the plot around Raghav and Pallavi only and shoot within a hotel so they changed the narrative and came up with the redemption track and when back to kolapur they wanted to shift back to separation track but failed to come up with a proper transition and entire Mandar track fell apart…
MHRV plot progression didn’t go the way Producer wanted right from the Hyderabad track, that’s why he lost interest..
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