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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: ltelidevara

With due respect to Sakteya versions adopted by UN for this show as I mentioned in my main post I can not bear to see Siva falling unconcious to be redeemed by Mahakali or Tara. By the way I know Tara's story as I wrote it in my Dasa Maha vidyas post. Tara holding Siva on her lap etc.. I read.

But as a strict Siva devotee I can't bear to see my Shiv helpless...
He is Sadashiv who is Anadi Sourceless. He is self born..The ultimate reality..

So I am not interested in UN's versions ..

I can rejoice reminiscing my Nila kanth Mahadev stand firm despite swallowing poison with graceful Adisakti Parvati by his side admiringly looking at him by placing her hand on his neck thereby stopping the poison to go down and harm the creation. It was beautifully shot in that show which incidentally was written by UN only. The moment I must admit won my heart..just validating what my dadi narrated to me in my childhood...


Lakshmi

@bold,I understand your feelings very well.😭I had gone through a similar experience when I had to see Mata Parvati who is Adi Parashakti,the Mother Of The Universe,The Supreme One losing her memory so that Mahadev can bring it back.It broke my heart to see her Dasamahavidyas leaving her because she had forgotten Mahadev.It hurt me so much to see Jagadamba behave like an insecure wife jealous of Minakshi.My heart bled when I saw Maa Parvati going on a cursing spree after losing Kartikeya only so that Mahadev can correct her.I couldn't bear it when I saw Maa Durga apologising to Mahadev after killing Mahishasur😲I can't describe how shattered I was after watching it
And it was written by the same UN.
The Maa Tara version of the story shown in MK is in authentic sources atleast but what he showed over there was purely his imagination.
I feel for you my dear that you had to undergo this trauma of watching your aaradhya faint.I am sure not only me but many people can understand you since we were subjected to a greater torture by UN in his previous venture.Hope ShivShakti grant you the strength to bear this!!
Edited by --BlackSheep-- - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
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@bold,I understand your feelings very well.😭I had gone through a similar experience when I had to see Mata Parvati who is Adi Parashakti,the Mother Of The Universe,The Supreme One losing her memory so that Mahadev can bring it back.It broke my heart to see her Dasamahavidyas leaving her because she had forgotten Mahadev.It hurt me so much to see Jagadamba behave like an insecure wife jealous of Minakshi.My heart bled when I saw Maa Parvati going on a cursing spree after losing Kartikeya only so that Mahadev can correct her.I couldn't bear it when I saw Maa Durga apologising to Mahadev after killing Mahishasur😲I can't describe how shattered I was after watching it

And it was written by the same UN.
The Maa Tara version of the story shown in MK is in authentic sources atleast but what he showed over there was purely his imagination.
I feel for you my dear that you had to undergo this trauma of watching your aaradhya faint.I am sure not only me but many people can understand you since we were subjected to a greater torture by UN in his previous venture.Hope ShivShakti grant you the strength to bear this!!

Agree the reason for frustration differs depending upon tastes and priorities.
As a dedicated follower of Sivpuran Tara'sstory that can not find a place there wont appeal to me at all...authentic source? I think UN mainly takes resort to Sakteya versions and folklore.

By the way the incidents you mentioned above did not shatter me like the one I mentioned in my main post.( Siva falling down) . But luckily for me having seen the precap only I decided to skip the episode and I did.. So peaceful and happy no need to watch my Aradhya faint and get depressed. Shiv Sakti guided me well.

The incidents mentioned above( by you ) are tolerable for me ..reasons


The loss of memory of Adisakti lead to Instruction of Yoga by Mahadev to her.. Ashtanga yoga it was passed on to mankind and Mata is the medium. So it is ok. At the end of that track a dialogue between Shiv Parvati reveals the intention behind the memory loss. To grace the people with Yoga awareness. Fine..for me.

Next jealousy is a beautiful emotion that is a mark of excessive love. Khud goddesses are also prone to it. Mahalakshmi feels jealous of Padmavati and Venkateswar ( Lord Balaji) becomes a Silavigrah .. The great Tirupati comes into existence.

Draupadi who is Swarga Lakshmi feels jealous of Subhadra...

Parvati feeling jealous of Ganga also is found in Puranas.

So not only human beings goddesses also are not above such feelings.. So it is acceptable for me.

Parvati's curses during Kartikeya story are authentic... She cursed the gods to be childless as per Valmiki Ramayan. Similarly other curses also have sources.. So again acceptable.

But what is not at all fine for me is the way Mahakali is shown intruding every where.. Even during Tarakasur vadh, always Parvati chanting Mai manushya hun, treating Anthak as her son which is false,deciding Ganesh as the winner again untrue... I can't even sum up the unreasonable tracks and versions.. Only excuse! Ofcourse they are there in folk lore... UN's favourite playground.

So it's ok.. And I knew we all have different perspectives..different takes..

And thanks for your concern. But after surviving the attack of UN in Surya Putr Karn I can survive anything else..

Lakshmi



Edited by ltelidevara - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: ltelidevara

Agree the reason for frustration differs depending upon tastes and priorities.

As a dedicated follower of Sivpuran Tara'sstory that can not find a place there wont appeal to me at all...authentic source? I think UN mainly takes resort to Sakteya versions and folklore.

By the way the incidents you mentioned above did not shatter me like the one I mentioned in my main post.( Siva falling down) . But luckily for me having seen the precap only I decided to skip the episode and I did.. So peaceful and happy no need to watch my Aradhya faint and get depressed. Shiv Sakti guided me well.

The incidents mentioned above( by you ) are tolerable for me ..reasons


The loss of memory of Adisakti lead to Instruction of Yoga by Mahadev to her.. Ashtanga yoga it was passed on to mankind and Mata is the medium. So it is ok. At the end of that track a dialogue between Shiv Parvati reveals the intention behind the memory loss. To grace the people with Yoga awareness. Fine..for me.

Next jealousy is a beautiful emotion that is a mark of excessive love. Khud goddesses are also prone to it. Mahalakshmi feels jealous of Padmavati and Venkateswar ( Lord Balaji) becomes a Silavigrah .. The great Tirupati comes into existence.

Draupadi who is Swarga Lakshmi feels jealous of Subhadra...

Parvati feeling jealous of Ganga also is found in Puranas.

So not only human beings goddesses also are not above such feelings.. So it is acceptable for me.

Parvati's curses during Kartikeya story are authentic... She cursed the gods to be childless as per Valmiki Ramayan. Similarly other curses also have sources.. So again acceptable.

But what is not at all fine for me is the way Mahakali is shown intruding every where.. Even during Tarakasur vadh, always Parvati chanting Mai manushya hun, treating Anthak as her son which is false,deciding Ganesh as the winner again untrue... I can't even sum up the unreasonable tracks and versions.. Only excuse! Ofcourse they are there in folk lore... UN's favourite playground.

So it's ok.. And I knew we all have different perspectives..different takes..

And thanks for your concern. But after surviving the attack of UN in Surya Putr Karn I can survive anything else..

Lakshmi



@bold,You are the follower of the Shiv Puraan which is why you are accustomed to one version of the story.Similarly the followers of the Devi Puraan or those who grew up listening to another version of the story.What you don't find authentic is authentic as per the Shakta versions.Similarly the versions in Shiv Puraan are considered to be unauthenticated by the Devi Puraan followers.
At the end of the day Mythology is a huge tree with several branches.No one knows what really happened since there are many versions of one story.


@purple,They did not shatter you perhaps but many who are staunch believers in Adi Shakti were scandalised and shocked.For them it was derogatory to her.
While there are other people who opened their mind to different narratives and enjoyed the programme as a programme without taking it seriously.Similarly people are doing it over here.

@Blue,Precisely.That track was okay and fine for you because you saw beyond the imaginary storyline and understood the message which that track wanted to convey.
Similarly a group of people didn't mind to see Lord Shiva fainting and Maa Tara coming for him because they saw the beautiful and poignant message the scene had tried to convey which was about equality.


@Red,Indeed.Jealousy is a beautiful emotion of love.Even Goddesses are prone to it.So tomorrow if someone shows Mahadev getting jealous of Jalandhar then will that be acceptable to you?All of us a have a particular image of our Aaradhya in our minds.We do not want that image to get affected.What looks beautiful to one person will be distasteful to another.Especially if that is Adi Shakti Maa Parvati who is the Supreme Conciousness personified getting jealous due to a petty reason.


@Green,Similarly I can cite sources which confirm the authenticity of the version of Maa Tara story in which Mahadev does faint.Its your choice that you don't consider Shakta sources to be authentic.Just like this people who follow Tulsidas' Ramcharitramanas do not consider the Valmiki Ramayan to be authentic.


@Pink,Because Mahakaali is the titular character of the series.Just like Mahadev was the titular character of the other show.How reasonable was it to show Mahadev turning into a sculptor to woo Sati or Mahadev marrying Sati in Prithviraj Chauhan style!! Or including Mahadev in the Ramayana?? Or making Maa Shakti go haywire and coming under the influence of some shamans so that Mahadev can control her and bring her back?? Or including Mahadev again in the Arunnasur track which is a Shakti centric track??
UN always makes up stuff for every show of his.His fictional tracks are innumerable and the ones in his previous show surpass those of MK by a huge margin.The show on Mahadev had so many of these bloopers and fictional tracks that I can make several lists.


@Maroon,Bingo!! Its all about different perspectives and takes.No one can have the same perspective about something.

Ah SPK!! Thank you so much for mentioning it.I saw a few episodes and I was not fond of that show because of several reasons.Therefore I stopped watching that show altogether and did something else which I enjoyed and which made me happy.Never did I watch the show and then whine and cry about it on a public platform.I don't believe in wasting my precious time after something which I didn't like and then playing a spoilsport for those who actually enjoyed it.Coz as you said everyone has different perspectives.



Edited by --BlackSheep-- - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: chemgirl

Lakshmi Di

These episodes really are absurd. I had a doubt ? Is it possible that the vish could have killed Mahadev who is yhefather of the universe itself ?

Anyway the vision if Mahadev lying dead was really absurd.


Actually, the poison could not harm Mahadev at all as God is beyond life and death. He is the one who bestows life and death on people, but he himself has no start and no end, so the concept of him being affected by the poison is a joke.

The only reason Mahadev did not completely swallow the poison is because the universe exists inside his belly, and if even a drop of the poison had gotten into his belly, the universe would've been destroyed. That is why he kept the poison in his throat, earning the title Neelkanth.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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In my main post itself I mentioned I am a follower of Siva,Sivapuran and believe in Siva's ultimate power . I expressed my feeling as per my belief. I even said those who believe Sakteya tantras folk lores ..I have nothing to do with them. And who am I to say not to believe them? If I said Tara story is not authentic it is according to me. I am not here to argue about the authenticity of my Sivpuran. And I did not need anyone to show sources for Tara story since I read where it originated.
So I voice my point again I will not accept Siva falling down and Kali reviving him. You are free to believe whatever you want and criticise the parts of that show which is not acceptable to you. I am not here to defend that...and the comparison you made Siva and Jalandhar did not suit at all not apt. in Sanskrit that comparison is called nyunopamalankar... Anyway I desist from saying anything more on this. Thank you.


Lakshmi

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Posted: 6 years ago
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this is interesting, anyway, this show is a shakt/tantra scripture based show, which is also mixed with other stories from other puranas as well as the writers imagination. this particular story is from the sthalapurana of tarapeeth which is the siddhapeeth of ugratara. anyway, the story of dhumavati is yet to be shown.
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maharaj bali aur rahu kidhar hain?
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Hi all,

Watched both the epis, but not continuously :

1. Did they show Andhak being dropped dead by Indra's vajra?
because I saw him being revived by Shukracharya...

Is that even possible ... 😕 (I mean the drop dead part)


2. For a serial that purports to try and show "nari shakti"
etc etc, some of the dialogues ...!!!

Why say "Stree Ahum"? is that different from "Purush Ahum"
Ego is ego, whether in man or woman. Why put it in such
a very dated way ... gives a very regressive feeling ..
And to top it all it is a dialogue written for Narayan !!!

Hated the way they characterised the Goddesses Laxmi
and Saraswati for this episode. Saraswati of course was
worse off.

But have to say that the acting by Nikita (did I get the actor's name right)
was very good. She portrayed the discomfort, the disquiet, the acceptance
of misjudgment, very well. 👏 For once, I liked her portrayal of Goddess
Laxmi - though I did not like the content.

I know there are many folk tales about petty squables,
but ... really ... do they have to ... 😡 can't even put it in polite words...


3. Next is the Matangi avatar ... but as far as I can
remember this avatar appeared at the time of the actual
food being dropped/wasted ... right?

Did they mix up the Annapoorna and Matangi stories ... the story
of Annapoorna that I remember has the Goddess leaving Kailash
with her Kitchen ... and then the famous Annapoorna Kitchen in
Kashi ... Very beautiful and meaningful story.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Reena
I did not watch the episodes..but going by what you say I think I did right..


Annapurna story you got it right.. But I am scared..UN will mess up that totally..

Even Matangi .. God knows what all he is churning out in the name of folk and Sakti tantr..



Lakshmi
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Arguments between deities are NOT folk tales. Perhaps I'm reading too much into it, but it almost seems as if people believe folk tales are secondary to the Vedas. I'm sorry, but that's pure arrogance. It's fine if people subscribe to a specific branch of worship or denomination; Hinduism isn't like other religions, in that it's too multifaceted and complex to be called a religion.

However, folk tales are just as valid as Vedic or Puranic Hinduism. In fact, we can learn a lot from folk tales; goddess worship originated from villages, where fertility goddesses were both benevolent and malevolent.

Shakti canon is markedly different from both Shaivaite and Vaishnavite canon. That has always been the case; people were unable to comprehend why Kali was so ghastly and unorthodox, so they twisted her to accommodate their beliefs. The British Colonialists didn't understand Shakta philosophy, leading to exaggerated myths of Thugee cults which sacrificed humans to Kali.

It's okay to disagree with different philosophies. But how is it fair to criticise something just because it doesn't fit your view or beliefs? I disagree with many religious doctrines, but that doesn't mean I can unilaterally decide something is wrong. So what if Shiva is portrayed differently? So what if Mahakali is included in every story? So what if Shiva fell after consuming Halahal?

We finally have a mythological serial focused on Kali. After countless serials on the Mahabharata and Ramayana, on Shiva and Vishnu--finally we get to see Kali. Finally we get to see the various facets of Shakta philosophy.

Instead of complaining, why can't we just appreciate the serial? What's really going to happen if people watch Mahakaali? Are they going to flood the streets and assume everything it depicts is infallible truth? Devon Ke Dev Mahadev was immensely popular, yet people still identified myths it changed or modified. The same goes for Mahakaali: people know not everything follows canon.

I have a question. The story of Mohini has been shown on various serials, yet how many have shown Shiva's attraction? How many have shown Shiva and Mohini making love? It's impossible for a serial to show every variation of a myth. However, if a serial only shows the "mainstream" or commonly accepted myth, isn't that doing a disservice to those for whom the variations are important? Is it fair, then, to say Mahakaali is wrong for showing something different, when for some people "different" is normal?

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