Parallel cousins are children born to two sisters or to two brothers.
But this is a western concept.
Indian rules were pretty simple.
Brothers share the gotra. So part of same family so brothers children will be siblings and cannot marry.
Sisters marry into a different family and gotra changes. So even if two sisters, if married into two different families, their children can marry. Same with brother sister.
In Indian system two brothers would be parallel cousins.
But Sister - Sister (only if married into different family) and Brother Sister would be cross cousin.
Originally posted by: Chiillii
Parallel cousins are children born to two sisters or to two brothers.
But this is a western concept.
Indian rules were pretty simple.
Brothers share the gotra. So part of same family so brothers children will be siblings and cannot marry.
Sisters marry into a different family and gotra changes. So even if two sisters, if married into two different families, their children can marry. Same with brother sister.
In Indian system two brothers would be parallel cousins.
But Sister - Sister (only if married into different family) and Brother Sister would be cross cousin.
Oh ok thanks I never knew marriages between the children of two sisters were allowed too.
Actually I had somewhere read that the pure Suryavanshis didn't allow the marriage between any kind of first cousins. While Puruvashanshajs although allowed girls from the first cousins to enter into their families by marriage, but didn't send their daughters for such marriages, like Dusshala was not married to Shakuni's son although Shakuni was definitely very close to Dhritrashtra n Suyodhan. (Although I doubt it since Matasya's were from Puru family too, and Parikshit married Uttar's daughter) , Yadavs on the other hand were completely open to cousin marriages.
By the way just a conspiracy theory😉
I always felt that Dury had only two wives, but now as you said, he had many wives, then him having only two children raises suspicion,(those two were twins as well)
I mean a man with multiple wives could only impregnate one of his wives just once?? Could it be that Lakshmana n Lakshman weren't his at all, you know some ummmm ummmmm. And Indonesian Mahabharata (I think it's a folklore there not in the actual epic) does say that Duryodhan's wife had an affair with Arjun n they married after the war??
Could it be that he was actually not capable like Pandu and somehow the news has spread across (would explain why none of the princess ever selected him in Swayamwar. I mean what could be the other reason for regular rejection? Vyas doesn't call him horrible looking, being a royal born n brought up, he would definitely be decent built up, was a good warrior, the unofficial king and official Yuvraj of one of the most important kingdoms of his times. Any girl or princess would like association with such a man. Still .......
Lakshman n Lakshmana were actually biological children of someone else (result of extra Marital affair not Niyog), but Duryodhan just to save his honour claimed them to be his biological children
Jayadrath was descendent of Yayati too. Sivi Sauvira Sindhu Madra and Kekaya were sons of Usinara who established independent kingdoms of their own. Usinara was son of Anu brother of Puru.
Intermarriages between royal families were very common.
All chandravanshi belonged to one of the 5 brothers
All suryavanshi royal lines came from three lines Ikshavaku his brothers Saryati and Karusha.
His brothers Nedishta and Nabhagha chose to be traders and acquired Vaishya varna. Their descendents were the Vaishya varna queens of all royal families. One brother took on the Shudra or service profession. One brother became Brahmin and joined Angirasa family (became Ghar Jamai).
All intermarried. Starting with Kashyapa who married his uncles daughters. Kashyapa was grandson of Brahma born to marichi he married Daksha's daughters and Daksha's was son of Brahma.
So cousin marriages were very common and sometimes the most preferred arranged marriages.
Coming to Duryodhan... No he was not rejected in Draupadi Swayamavr he failed because he could not fulfill the challenge. Just like Karna. He was invited with due honor, so if he had won Draupadi would have been married to him.
Kalinga Princess may have been interested in someone else like Amba who knows. Duryodhan was crown prince of one of the largest kingdoms of the time. He was invited in that Swayamvaram too. He didn't gatecrash like Bhishma. So no he wasn't being rejected by everyone.
One other thing Dhritrashtra arranged atleast one wife for him, so there too the bride's family willingly gave him their daughter.
Nothing was wrong with Duryodhan physically. And the twins were his biological children..
Just because he was evil and lost the war doesnt mean we start questioning his physical abilities.
Krishna after he married Rukmini did not have children for 11 years from her or any of his wives. He went to Kailasha for Tapasya and then got Pradyumna. But he was taken away (died) in infancy. (Rather he was Krishna's cousin from his uncle Gandusha adopted as son by him) so does that mean Krishna had problems having children. He had Charumati from Rukmini and Bhanu from Satyabhama for sure.
But defied Krishna get s 161080 sons and Duryodhan has physical problems.... Really
Kings married many women to get heirs. Because in that era girls were married off in 16. They conceived children at a very young age. They had no medical facilities like we have today. Even now childbirth is dangerous and children and mothers die during pregnancy.
It was worst in that era. Miscarriages were very common. So we're infectious diseases. Kids would die early.
Duryodhan's wives would have the same issues as Arjun's wives.
We have 7 confirmed wives of Arjun but we have only 4 sons known, what happened to other three wives. And can we be sure Iravan was Arjun's.
And Arjun and Krishna were scared of Subhadra's rejection and that is why she was kidnapped. So now can we say Arjun was not good enough.
Calling Duryodhan evil is one thing but assuming he was rejected or impotent is not right. He had freaking 11 akshauhini armies with twice the number of warriors of Pandavas who came to fight for him.
He always had more well wishers and supporters than Pandavas.
Originally posted by: Chiillii
Jayadrath was descendent of Yayati too. Sivi Sauvira Sindhu Madra and Kekaya were sons of Usinara who established independent kingdoms of their own. Usinara was son of Anu brother of Puru.
Intermarriages between royal families were very common.
All chandravanshi belonged to one of the 5 brothers
All suryavanshi royal lines came from three lines Ikshavaku his brothers Saryati and Karusha.
His brothers Nedishta and Nabhagha chose to be traders and acquired Vaishya varna. Their descendents were the Vaishya varna queens of all royal families. One brother took on the Shudra or service profession. One brother became Brahmin and joined Angirasa family (became Ghar Jamai).
All intermarried. Starting with Kashyapa who married his uncles daughters. Kashyapa was grandson of Brahma born to marichi he married Daksha's daughters and Daksha's was son of Brahma.
So cousin marriages were very common and sometimes the most preferred arranged marriages.
Coming to Duryodhan... No he was not rejected in Draupadi Swayamavr he failed because he could not fulfill the challenge. Just like Karna. He was invited with due honor, so if he had won Draupadi would have been married to him.
Kalinga Princess may have been interested in someone else like Amba who knows. Duryodhan was crown prince of one of the largest kingdoms of the time. He was invited in that Swayamvaram too. He didn't gatecrash like Bhishma. So no he wasn't being rejected by everyone.
One other thing Dhritrashtra arranged atleast one wife for him, so there too the bride's family willingly gave him their daughter.
Nothing was wrong with Duryodhan physically. And the twins were his biological children..
Just because he was evil and lost the war doesnt mean we start questioning his physical abilities.
Krishna after he married Rukmini did not have children for 11 years from her or any of his wives. He went to Kailasha for Tapasya and then got Pradyumna. But he was taken away (died) in infancy. (Rather he was Krishna's cousin from his uncle Gandusha adopted as son by him) so does that mean Krishna had problems having children. He had Charumati from Rukmini and Bhanu from Satyabhama for sure.
But defied Krishna get s 161080 sons and Duryodhan has physical problems.... Really
Kings married many women to get heirs. Because in that era girls were married off in 16. They conceived children at a very young age. They had no medical facilities like we have today. Even now childbirth is dangerous and children and mothers die during pregnancy.
It was worst in that era. Miscarriages were very common. So we're infectious diseases. Kids would die early.
Duryodhan's wives would have the same issues as Arjun's wives.
We have 7 confirmed wives of Arjun but we have only 4 sons known, what happened to other three wives. And can we be sure Iravan was Arjun's.
And Arjun and Krishna were scared of Subhadra's rejection and that is why she was kidnapped. So now can we say Arjun was not good enough.
Calling Duryodhan evil is one thing but assuming he was rejected or impotent is not right. He had freaking 11 akshauhini armies with twice the number of warriors of Pandavas who came to fight for him.
He always had more well wishers and supporters than Pandavas.
Thankyou for your response. That clears a lot. So cousin marriage was completely common. Quite difficult to imagine that today. This is the reason why I consider Hinduism to be among the best best religions, we never keep things in water tight compartment and allow the changes for betterment.
About Duryodhan no I didn't doubt his physical ability just because he was evil. In fact if we remove the DyutSabha instance, (which was mostly Karna's doing, Duryodhan was more of a second fiddle at least there), I don't even consider his actions to be evil.
I mean I know he planned to kill Pandavas multiple times, but I guess that's something which princes n kings did back then to remove the obstacles towards the throne. In fact had Pandavas died in Lakshagriha or some of his other conspiracies, the destruction would have been of a much lower magnitude, lesser number of innocents dead. It would have been like a greater good. Aside I am sure that although we never got to know since they won and there was no one to expose, but even the Pandavas would have definitely conspired against Dury n brothers.
Vyas is very clear that he was a good king n was liked by public. Multiple examples show how much he loved his elders, his brothers or Karna and went out of way for them. Even Ashwathama n Susharma were ready to let go everything for him, that couldn't have happened if their feelings wasn't reciprocated. Excluding his actions towards Pandavas and maybe towards Vidur, he was definitely a normal person and not a demon.
I said about the thing because not just Kalinga princess but also Kashi princess was abducted by Karna for him since she had rejected him, even he was there in the Swayamwar of Krishna's wife Lakshmana and she rejected him too(I once thought did he actually love Lakshmana? Maybe he named his daughter after her😲)
I don't know but excluding Draupadi Swayamwar others weren't competition right? But there is no mention of any girl selecting him on her own, or he coming out as as a selected person in any Swayamwar.
Although you are right, if there was some issues known about him he wouldn't have been invited in the first place.
Karna had at least 8 sons in similar situation, all the Pandavas had 2+ Krishna is said to have 161080 although that's impossible but at least had Bhanu, while Samba is mentioned to be his too, Balram is named two sons(even if they didn't do anything) and Duryodhan had only one, that's something I found unusual especially for a king/crown prince.
Karna's grandson had succeeded him to Anga's throne right? I so wish, either he or his son would have also asked someone to narrate Mahabharata to him (like Janmayey or Babhruwahan did), probably then we would have got to know more about Kaurav side of the story 😣
Actually I don't find this Krishna not having kids till 11 years after marriage thing possible.
Not just his son Pradyumna but also his son Anirudh was present in Draupadi Swayamwar. Krishna would have adopted Pradyumna only after his son was killed by Shambhasur in infancy (or maybe died a natural death).
Since here Pradyumna is mentioned as Krishna's son so that means he was adopted by this time, which implies that KrishnaRukmini son was already born n dead by this time. Now if we have to assume that KrishnaRukmini didn't have children for 11 years, then what was the age of their marriage? Were Arjun Krishna already 27-28 at the time of Draupadi Swayamwar?
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Lakshmana was viryashulka like Draupadi. Duryodhan was invited and lost same as Draupadi swayamavar.
Mitravinda was abducted by Krishna though she was in love with him. Because her brothers wanted Duryodhan.
Kashi princess and Kalinga Princess could similarly have been preferring someone else.
Being in love with someone else doesn't mean Duryodhan was not worthy of being Husband.
In any case in a swayamavar if 100 King's participated only 1 could be selected, that doesnt mean others arent worthy
Because if they weren't worthy they would not be invited.
Like Vicjitravirya, who was not invited. Duryodhan got invitations for every swayamavar. Most father's and brothers thought he was good enough. Some brides chose differently. Some had a contest that he failed that is all.
In any case Mahabharata was recited to Arjuna's great-grandson and Bhagvatham was about Krishna.
They would never have Duryodhan as the charming prince the one who sweeps princesses off their feet.
These would have Duryodhan losing badly from Arjun and Krishna in winning affections of women.
So we have subhadra surrendering to Draupadi after abduction happily. Why not the same for Kalinga and Kashi princesses for Durydodhan. Arjun gets to be the awesome guy for kidnapping and Duryodhan gets to be rejected loser ....
My point being having less children does not mean father is impotent or his wife is having an affair.
I also told how Krishna was made the alpha male.
His child could not die in infancy so a miracle story of kamdev was used to cover up an adoption. And yes the part that they didn't have kids for a long time and hence Krishna had to pray to shiva is there in harivansh and even Bhagvatham if I am not wrong.
Pradyumna was adopted as an adult. When he came to Dwarka he already had a wife Maya. He was most likely same age as Krishna. Krishna's marriages starting from Rukmini happened till Khandavadahn. Infact he married one after Khandavadahan.
If he was 18 or so when he married Rukmini. He and Arjun could be 22/23 at the time of Draupadi swayamavar.
And he prayed for all his wives to have children. So none conceived till that time.
Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism
Happy friendship day Chhiillli.
Would also wish you on Teacher's Day☺️
Thanks and happy friendship day to you too.
I am teacher professionally. I train in spoken and written English, so thank you again
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