Draupadi- Satyabhama Conversation - Page 9

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

Yes I consider sita stronger coz she denied 2 return , choose 2 return to mother earth ,

For me yudhishthira 2 was draupadi's culprit but still draupadi forgave him

Thou I question why & how Yudi went swarg after doing this big sin. Yudi claiming draupadi love arjun was his assumption not truth

When did drapaudi forgave him?? Please post the citation. She followed him to the forest not because she forgave him but because Her name was mentioned in the exile treaty. Duryodhan wanted her out of the political scenario. She is the first one who calls him out on all his wrong doings. She literally calls him a lunatic who deserves to be locked ?? Tell me where and when and how did she forgave him ? ?? There is a version of Mahabharata where drapaudi walks out on them. Swarghoran is later interpolation.

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

When did drapaudi forgave him?? Please post the citation. She followed him to the forest not because she forgave him but because Her name was mentioned in the exile treaty. Duryodhan wanted her out of the political scenario. She is the first one who calls him out on all his wrong doings. She literally calls him a lunatic who deserves to be locked ?? Tell me where and when and how did she forgave him ? ?? There is a version of Mahabharata where drapaudi walks out on them. Swarghoran is later interpolation.

I know she dint followed him in exile she was very much asked 2 .

Draupadi was included in exile 4 political reasons , sita was never include in exile she herself choose 2 go infact kaikayee mantra was against sita going as they fear ram sita can have kids in exile

Vedvyas MB never say she walked away from them , she mocked yudhishthira insulted him couple of times publicly also .

Bheem was there 4 draupadi in exile be it kheechak, jaydrath, some name jatasur also. Draupadi was never alone even in exile

Who was there 4 sita in lanka, trijata or vibhishan, yes people say it was Sita's mistake 4 crossing lakshman rekha but she felt as her duty that nobody should return empty hand from Ram's house. Raavan tried 2 hard 2 break sita but failed miserably.

Yes Valmik gave shelter 2 sita , it was sita who bravery brought her 2 sons luv kush as a single mother.

I know I will tagged as hater of draupadi but I don't care 4 it

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

Most probably you think the image of the ideal woman described in this passage is a good one and hence apparently Draupadi fits in this image..

I do not consider this image good in anyway rather trash. And no I do not believe a woman like Draupadi believed in this nonsense. So agreeing to disagree.

Not just a woman, i find any man who is humble, polite, respectful with everyone. Fulfills their responsibilties in the best possible way. Keeping the needs of others before self. Truly devoted. Not sarcastic or arrogant or filled with jealousy. A good person

These are good qualities to have as per me.

Also true that these were only expected from women in dwapar yuga and not men

Having said that. Just as I wrote in my first post She was raised with this conditioning or brainwashing. And till Dyut Sabha that is how she behaved.

You have every one calling her sweet speeched. You have Duryodhan telling Dhritrashtra how she served food to everyone, even beggers and handicapped. Woke up first slept last. She wasnt tallying account books all the time

Yudhishtir calls her the most ideal woman before he stakes her.

Kunti who only cared for her sons, by the timE of Dyut Sabha cared more for her than her own sons.

One facet of her charachter does not take away the other.

A person with humility can also be just and fair

A person who is not an egotist can also stand up for themselves

A person who serves food lovingly can also take up a sword with the same hand when the need arises.

People in Kaliyuga are too self centred in my opinion. It does not have to be me first all the time.

Draupadi was never self centred.

The war that she kept asking for was also with a sense of justice for her, her family and society. It was not a self serving revenge for her

Originally posted by: Chiillii

There were two different stages in her life, one pre dice game and one post it.

Again a person's charachter is something that is their inherent nature.

Being devoted to some one. Fulfilling responsibilities in the best possible way not being rude and being humble does not mean being a door mat

Draupadi did all that she told Satyabhama before the dice game. That is how she became the thread that bound the Pandava family together.

That is why Subhadra and Abhimanyu loved her. And I am sure as did all the other co wives and their children and Pandavas and Kunti and the citizens of IP. And even dhaumya who tries to protect her from Jayadrath.

If she was haughty arrogant rude selfish jealous do you think anyone would love her and respect her the way they did.

Do you think she could command the respect that she did by treachery.

Most importantly Sarcasm never wins respect. People think they are being cool and smart by being sarcastic, but look at it from the perspective of the person bearing the brunt of it.

And in vanaparva too inspite of her anger at Pandavas, inspite of the gross injustice and humiliation she faced because of them she stood by them. She never was rude to them in front of others.

Yes Pandavas deserved more punishment than they got. They deserved every humiliation in the world for putting Draupadi through that misery. Yes they did not deserve her love.

But she loved them. That only makes her human infact a better human than them

If Draupadi had been sarcastic and haughty all her life with Yudhi..he would not have loved her.

Yes he gambled her, but he gambled his brothers and himself too.

Yes he did love her. So did all the other brothers.

Yes not to the extent she deserved. Yes she was not their priority. But she was loved and respected as much as Kunti was. Other wives were not.

Yes Satyabhama was being petty, insecure and jealous with her question.

But Draupadi was just being herself. Guiding Satyabhama with maturity that get rid of your pettyness and ego if you want to win love and respect of your husband.

Smart people handle pettiness with sarcasm. But better than smart people handle pettiness with maturity.

Draupadi was better than smart.

I do agree though that she and satyabhama were not close friends like she and subhadra were.

And you have the same reason. Subhadra was not petty or jealous or insecure. She had humility. She was not an egotist. And she fulfilled her responsibilties as a co wife to the best of her abilities.

She was like the woman Draupadi describes

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@Bishti, I think the question was how she commanded that position and love in Pandavas lives, it is to that which she answers all those points. She says that she did all these(obviously before dice hall) to get that love and respect. She doesn't mean she would continue doing the same even henceforth.

She specifies that there was no black magic, which is why Satyabhama apologizes

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

Yes I consider sita stronger coz she denied 2 return , choose 2 return to mother earth ,

For me yudhishthira 2 was draupadi's culprit but still draupadi forgave him , even arjun loosed his cool on Yudi

Thou I question why & how Yudi went swarg after doing this big sin. Yudi claiming draupadi love arjun was his assumption not truth

Where did she forgive?🤔

Also, there is exactly ONE instance where Arjuna lost his cool with Yudhishtira as opposed to Panchali plaing calling all Pandavas lunatics and Yudhishtira other names at other times.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Where did she forgive?🤔

Where did she punished Yudi for this crime .

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

Where did she punished Yudi for this crime .

Not punishing doesn't necessarily mean forgiving

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

I know she dint followed him in exile she was very much asked 2 .

Draupadi was included in exile 4 political reasons , sita was never include in exile she herself choose 2 go infact kaikayee mantra was against sita going as they fear ram sita can have kids in exile

Vedvyas MB never say she walked away from them , she mocked yudhishthira insulted him couple of times publicly also .

Bheem was there 4 draupadi in exile be it kheechak, jaydrath, some name jatasur also. Draupadi was never alone even in exile

Who was there 4 sita in lanka, trijata or vibhishan, yes people say it was Sita's mistake 4 crossing lakshman rekha but she felt as her duty that nobody should return empty hand from Ram's house. Raavan tried 2 hard 2 break sita but failed miserably.

Yes Valmik gave shelter 2 sita , it was sita who bravery brought her 2 sons luv kush as a single mother.

I know I will tagged as hater of draupadi but I don't care 4 it

How convenient to overlook everything she faced. . Nobody came forward while drapaudi brutally dragged. Nobody came forward when she was attempted to be disrobe. No krishna was not there. Drapaudi SAVED herself . Even in jaydharth s incident her presence of mind plays a great role. Same for keechak.

My only point was there is absolutely no neee to pit these two ladies against eachother.

And you are called drapaudi hater because you are One.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

I can assure you there is no quote in text where Krishna or Panchali say they are brother/sister😆. Believe me, I looked. Vyasa does say they were friends.

And what you said is probably the reason why Satyabhama asked the question. She was always a childish and insecure woman, even with Krishna's other wives. So imagine with Panchali, a supposed friend during a time when men and women weren't friends!

Khandava scene had Subhadra. The drinking scene had Satyabhama, but she kind of disappears after that. I'm thinking her presence is an interpolation.

People who blame krishna 4 supporting arjun , Pandavas & Draupadi blame him 2 be partial by giving example of this scene .

For me krishna was not a partial brother thou he was a loving brother of subhadra, it was necessary 4 him to include Subhadra in every thing .

In today also we don't share or include r siblings in everything which we share with our very close frnds .

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

Pardon me maybe I m thinking wrong but I feel u consider seeta weaker than draupadi, who I consider stronger than draupadi

No she isn't weak, she is just not the person I admire. She is a rule abiding woman and the societal representation of an ideal woman.