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Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

What about this -

Although I cried repeatedly at the top of my voice for saving the preceptor's life, yet, disregarding my cries and abandoning mortality, a disciple took the life of that preceptor. All of us have passed the greater part of our lives. The days that remain to us are limited. This exceedingly unrighteous...

It was only after this this drishtdyum s line of forgiving him for these words comes

I am sorry but arjuna was way too EXTRA attached. Abhimanyu was forgotten very soon

Sorry but i don't get this extra "respect" for opposite side. What did he expected drishtdyum to do

I'm not saying Arjuna is right, and Dhrishtadyumna is wrong. I'm saying Arjuna had that feeling for Drona and Bheeshma, the two father figures in his life. He was trying to save everything and everyone he loved. It was clear not possible, but a person in his desperate emotional state would want to think it possible.

Originally posted by: NoraSM

"Arjuna at this, said,--"This illustrious son of Kunti, king Yudhishthira the just, was certainly our master before he began to play. But having lost himself, let all the Kauravas judge whose master he could be after that."

Vaisampayana continued,--"Just then, a jackal began to cry loudly in the homa-chamber of king Dhritarashtra's palace. And, O king, unto the jackal that howled so, the asses began to bray responsively. And terrible birds also, from all sides, began to answer with their cries. And Vidura conversant with everything and the daughter of Suvala, both understood the meaning of those terrible sounds. And Bhishma and Drona and the learned Gautama loudly cried,--Swashti! Swashti! 1 Then Gandhari and the learned Vidura beholding that frightful omen, represented everything, in great affliction, unto the king. And the king (Dhritarashtra) thereupon said,--

'Thou wicked-minded Duryodhana, thou wretch, destruction hath all ready overtaken thee when thou insultest in language such as this the wife of these bulls among the Kurus, especially their wedded wife Draupadi.

Vidur didn't speak after Arjuna

Arjuna said Yudi was their master before but after losing himself whose master could he be? This is clear support for Draupadi, Who else was to decide other than Kaurava elder?

Accepting Duryodhana's words meant Pandavas splitting, These brothers had burden of Yudi's fragile ego too as Bhima said he will commit suicide and everyone will follow

Arjuna is very diplomatic everywhere, he didn't speak his mind with anyone except for Krishna, I guess

Vidura's comments had no impact at all. Panchali put them in a political conundrum, basically. Suyodhana was arrogant enough to believe he KNEW the Pandavas wouldn't break ranks. Arjuna did. Once the prince gave his word in open court, he couldn't go back on it. Very clever of Arjuna IMO.

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

Arjuna did fought with drishtdyum and satyaki was with him. His so much extra love for an enemy does not sits well with me

He didn't consider Drona as his enemy, Drona was father figure to him, Drona didn't kill Abhimanyu, and Arjuna didn't hold him responsible for his death. Arjuna loved Drona

Arjuna didn't fight with Dristadyumna, He was grieving loss of a father figure and blamed everyone Yudi, Dristadyumna and himself too

Bhima, Dristadyumna bajaoed him, Satyaki bajaoed Dristadyumna and called him a sinner for killing Drona (🤣 Satyaki's outbursts are hilarious)

I think it was just an emotional reaction from him, but he was cautious enough not to vow killing Dristadyumna (I would have been mad at him for this 😔)

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Vidura's comments had no impact at all. Panchali put them in a political conundrum, basically. Suyodhana was arrogant enough to believe he KNEW the Pandavas wouldn't break ranks. Arjuna did. Once the prince gave his word in open court, he couldn't go back on it. Very clever of Arjuna IMO.

Agreed

Can you imagine thinking about law and getting out of a situation like that? The woman had nerve of steel

Originally posted by: NoraSM

He didn't consider Drona as his enemy, Drona was father figure to him, Drona didn't kill Abhimanyu, and Arjuna didn't hold him responsible for his death. Arjuna loved Drona

Arjuna didn't fight with Dristadyumna, He was grieving loss of a father figure and blamed everyone Yudi, Dristadyumna and himself too

Bhima, Dristadyumna bajaoed him, Satyaki bajaoed Dristadyumna and called him a sinner for killing Drona (🤣 Satyaki's outbursts are hilarious)

I think it was just an emotional reaction from him, but he was cautious enough not to vow killing Dristadyumna (I would have been mad at him for this 😔)

Drona didn't personally kill Abhimanyu. But he masterminded the effort. Also, he was the one who told Karna to shoot from behind to disarm Abhimanyu.

I remember sword being drawn in the scene. Arjuna WAS ready to kill Dhrishtadyumna.

For Arjuna, those two men were important.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

I'm not saying Arjuna is right, and Dhrishtadyumna is wrong. I'm saying Arjuna had that feeling for Drona and Bheeshma, the two father figures in his life. He was trying to save everything and everyone he loved. It was clear not possible, but a person in his desperate emotional state would want to think it possible.

See the point is that arjuna aiming for peace before war star because he loves his father figure is something i get but fighting with your on supporter is not good. Plus he was a warrior he should know that when other party and that includes his two father figure who sadly never helped him time of need are so pumped e and loyal to opposite side the least you can do is do your job as a warrior. Cricket kehlne thodi gaye tha

Originally posted by: NoraSM

"Arjuna at this, said,--"This illustrious son of Kunti, king Yudhishthira the just, was certainly our master before he began to play. But having lost himself, let all the Kauravas judge whose master he could be after that."

Vaisampayana continued,--"Just then, a jackal began to cry loudly in the homa-chamber of king Dhritarashtra's palace. And, O king, unto the jackal that howled so, the asses began to bray responsively. And terrible birds also, from all sides, began to answer with their cries. And Vidura conversant with everything and the daughter of Suvala, both understood the meaning of those terrible sounds. And Bhishma and Drona and the learned Gautama loudly cried,--Swashti! Swashti! 1 Then Gandhari and the learned Vidura beholding that frightful omen, represented everything, in great affliction, unto the king. And the king (Dhritarashtra) thereupon said,--

'Thou wicked-minded Duryodhana, thou wretch, destruction hath all ready overtaken thee when thou insultest in language such as this the wife of these bulls among the Kurus, especially their wedded wife Draupadi.

Vidur didn't speak after Arjuna

Arjuna said Yudi was their master before but after losing himself whose master could he be? This is clear support for Draupadi, Who else was to decide other than Kaurava elder?

Accepting Duryodhana's words meant Pandavas splitting, These brothers had burden of Yudi's fragile ego too as Bhima said he will commit suicide and everyone will follow

Arjuna is very diplomatic everywhere, he didn't speak his mind with anyone except for Krishna, I guess

After Arjun's statement Jackals started screaming and then Vidura Gandhaari etc all realized what needs to be done

Now definitely the Jackals noise wouldn't have been the reason for them to think that things have escalated wrong. Those days human population was very less and the animals were everywhere. This statement is just a poetic situation building like we have "a dark stormy night"

Its clear that after Arjuna's statement Vidur Gandhaari etc started supporting the claim of Draupadi and thereby they had to be released.

It was their support which helped. Had they said no Yudi still had rights his statement didn't mean much

His statement became a cause for sure but that wasn't very correct response

Originally posted by: NoraSM

He didn't consider Drona as his enemy, Drona was father figure to him, Drona didn't kill Abhimanyu, and Arjuna didn't hold him responsible for his death. Arjuna loved Drona

Arjuna didn't fight with Dristadyumna, He was grieving loss of a father figure and blamed everyone Yudi, Dristadyumna and himself too

Bhima, Dristadyumna bajaoed him, Satyaki bajaoed Dristadyumna and called him a sinner for killing Drona (🤣 Satyaki's outbursts are hilarious)

I think it was just an emotional reaction from him, but he was cautious enough not to vow killing Dristadyumna (I would have been mad at him for this 😔)

Drona was part of the gang who attacked abhimanyu he was part of the planning committee .

Yes bhim bajaoed him and drishtdyum too 😎. Boss!! Drishtdyum forgave arjuna dearest 😛

Plus arjuna d father figure did not helped his son figure in time of need 😵

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Drona didn't personally kill Abhimanyu. But he masterminded the effort. Also, he was the one who told Karna to shoot from behind to disarm Abhimanyu.

I remember sword being drawn in the scene. Arjuna WAS ready to kill Dhrishtadyumna.

For Arjuna, those two men were important.

@Bold -

Was he? Damn

I don't think Drona deserved Arjuna's love and devotion but he did play a very important role in his life, he was a father figure to him and agreed Bhishma and Drona were very important to him.

I get arjuna the emotions. But sadly when i am in a middle of war and is one of my prominent figures my prime duty or emotion will always be to serve all those soldiers who have come to fight by putting their faith in me and my family to live upto their expectations. And picking a fight with my CIC for a member of opposite team is unfair to them. His father figure didn't take a stand when he needed them the most. And the soldiers have left everything behind to sacrifice their life fighting for you. Then which emotion should take priority??