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Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

He didn't say that Yudi doesn't have the right, he said after having lost himself did Yudi have right on Draupadi is something elders should decide. That is not actually saying that Yudi didn't have the right especially at a time when likes of Bheeshm had already said that they believe that Yudi can't do anything what is wrong.

I agree about the Drona part though

""Arjuna at this, said,--"This illustrious son of Kunti, king Yudhishthira the just, was certainly our master before he began to play. But having lost himself, let all the Kauravas judge whose master he could be after that."

It was a rhetorical, Yudi was certainly their master before but after losing himself, whose master could he be? It was after his remark that things changed in dice hall

Originally posted by: NoraSM

As I said I respect your opinion, I was giving the reason why I include him in the list

He was the one who actually supported Draupadi's claim in dice hall, I started liking him for this reason only, he didn't free himself there accepting Yudi's claim on himself, he supported Draupadi saying Yudi isn't her master after losing himself

Then all of the quotes, I have provided, I am not asking you to add him in your list

I keep saying this, Arjuna wasn't happy fighting for Yudi's kingdom, if he was fighting for land, he would have been happy that one more person between him and land is dead.

Drona was lesser culprit of Draupadi than Yudi, I don't understand this reasoning of killing Drona so Yudi can get kingdom

Arjuna fought people who wronged her by remembering what they did to her

And Arjuna didn't fight with Dristadyumna

Arjuna did fought with drishtdyum and satyaki was with him. His so much extra love for an enemy does not sits well with me

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

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Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

But why are we assuming that had they got the land by peace, they would have sat satisfied.

They didn't have their army when the war happened. They fought Chedi, Maghadh, Matasya, South Kampilya, Yadav unit(Satyaki's) and others like Pandayas, Kekeyas etc. They had no money excluding what Dhristhdhyum or Drupad gave.

Maybe they wanted some standing before the war. They might have thought that they would try to regain their kingdom with peace talks and once received would strike at Hastinapur with huge blow

But they did had these kingdom support. they agreeing for peace by acquiring and then attacking hastinapur i highly doubt in such scenario anybody apart from panchal and dwaraka would have supported them

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

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Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

Arjuna did fought with drishtdyum and satyaki was with him. His so much extra love for an enemy does not sits well with me

This was AFTER Abhimanyu's death which Dhrishtadyumna has to bring up.

Says a lot about Arjuna's attachment to Drona.

Originally posted by: NoraSM

""Arjuna at this, said,--"This illustrious son of Kunti, king Yudhishthira the just, was certainly our master before he began to play. But having lost himself, let all the Kauravas judge whose master he could be after that."

It was a rhetorical, Yudi was certainly their master before but after losing himself, whose master could he be? It was after his remark that things changed in dice hall

I know it was rhetorical but the same point had been already raised by Draupadi and she didn't get much support. Duryodhan threw the ball in their court by saying that if anyone agrees that Yudi didn't have the right she would be freed.

Bheem reluctantly agrees Yudi's right on Draupadi post which Dury shoves his bare thighs to her.

Even after so much Arjun couldn't come up with a straight no. Even though it was rhetorical, it helped only because Vidur took the cue and supported the cause post this. He had actually returned the ball to Kauravas court, what if they would have said that despite being slaves people have right on wives??

His statement definitely helped but sorry I can't consider that to be some kind of a great support

Originally posted by: NoraSM

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Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

This was AFTER Abhimanyu's death which Dhrishtadyumna has to bring up.

Says a lot about Arjuna's attachment to Drona.

What about this -

Although I cried repeatedly at the top of my voice for saving the preceptor's life, yet, disregarding my cries and abandoning mortality, a disciple took the life of that preceptor. All of us have passed the greater part of our lives. The days that remain to us are limited. This exceedingly unrighteous...

It was only after this this drishtdyum s line of forgiving him for these words comes

I am sorry but arjuna was way too EXTRA attached. Abhimanyu was forgotten very soon

Sorry but i don't get this extra "respect" for opposite side. What did he expected drishtdyum to do

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

I know it was rhetorical but the same point had been already raised by Draupadi and she didn't get much support. Duryodhan threw the ball in their court by saying that if anyone agrees that Yudi didn't have the right she would be freed.

Bheem reluctantly agrees Yudi's right on Draupadi post which Dury shoves his bare thighs to her.

Even after so much Arjun couldn't come up with a straight no. Even though it was rhetorical, it helped only because Vidur took the cue and supported the cause post this. He had actually returned the ball to Kauravas court, what if they would have said that despite being slaves people have right on wives??

His statement definitely helped but sorry I can't consider that to be some kind of a great support

"Arjuna at this, said,--"This illustrious son of Kunti, king Yudhishthira the just, was certainly our master before he began to play. But having lost himself, let all the Kauravas judge whose master he could be after that."

Vaisampayana continued,--"Just then, a jackal began to cry loudly in the homa-chamber of king Dhritarashtra's palace. And, O king, unto the jackal that howled so, the asses began to bray responsively. And terrible birds also, from all sides, began to answer with their cries. And Vidura conversant with everything and the daughter of Suvala, both understood the meaning of those terrible sounds. And Bhishma and Drona and the learned Gautama loudly cried,--Swashti! Swashti! 1 Then Gandhari and the learned Vidura beholding that frightful omen, represented everything, in great affliction, unto the king. And the king (Dhritarashtra) thereupon said,--

'Thou wicked-minded Duryodhana, thou wretch, destruction hath all ready overtaken thee when thou insultest in language such as this the wife of these bulls among the Kurus, especially their wedded wife Draupadi.

Vidur didn't speak after Arjuna

Arjuna said Yudi was their master before but after losing himself whose master could he be? This is clear support for Draupadi, Who else was to decide other than Kaurava elder?

Accepting Duryodhana's words meant Pandavas splitting, These brothers had burden of Yudi's fragile ego too as Bhima said he will commit suicide and everyone will follow

Arjuna is very diplomatic everywhere, he didn't speak his mind with anyone except for Krishna, I guess