Some feat that! đ Didn't have a part in the plan, didn't stay around for important events, yet was planning world domination, and arranged a slaughter.
At this point, Krishna be like: yup, I planned Gandhi's assassination, also. That's why he said, "Hey, Ram," and not "Hey, Krishna."đ
I clearly agreed that Dhaumya left and it is mentioned that the marriage didnât happen in one day so Yeah, one can believe whatever they want to
Without their priest, Dhaumya? How does that work?
If the assumption he returned, then why is Krishna being present not equally valid since at least HE is mentioned in scene.before and after.
In any case, the question was why Krishna didn't object to the change in groom if that were not his plan. I believe you said he wasn't there. That discussion happened in potter's hut which is when Krishna arrived on scene. Not only that, I'm pretty sure he didn't send the gifts addressed to whomsoever it may concern. He sent to the man who married Panchali. Why wouldn't he object instead of cooperating?
The interps of Krishna's intellect and political acumen seem to swing wildly from one end of being caught in a very simple and easily foreseeable trap to conniving politician who masterminded all. Some variation in behavior is inevitable, but not this split personality disorder.
Oh
So, Vajpeya = War with everyone
But other Yagyas didnât require war, Kings had to give money, Right?
No
Practically all the Yagyas could require war.
Bheem had it with Karna during Rajsuya. Karna being a Kaurav vassal/ally wouldn't have wanted Indraprasth's sovereignty from Kuru predominance. But normally neutral states would be least bothered about it so they would agree without a war, why waste resources for things that don't matter. Instead give the king money and gifts and make alliance with them.
Even in Ashwamedh of Yudhishtir there were a couple of wars I guess with Pragjyothis and definitely with Manipur (although the intention was different in their case) this is bigger and would make you a vassal to the king, so yes more chances of resistance, yet smaller states prefer the arrangement over war, it also depends on vassal terms.
Vajpaye, is where not just you become a vassal, but are also at threat to be ever removed/replaced by someone the king wants. Your state might actually be annexed by the king and you are left with nothing. This would definitely have highest resistance
Its simple you reach out to a king ask for support for your cause/subsverience, they agree they give you gifts over. They don't they fight with you, you lose you go over, you win they pay you gifts/money for your loss in the battle over
Digvijay is simply hafta Wasooli nothing else
Originally posted by: HearMeRoar
Some feat that! đ Didn't have a part in the plan, didn't stay around for important events, yet was planning world domination, and arranged a slaughter.
At this point, Krishna be like: yup, I planned Gandhi's assassination, also. That's why he said, "Hey, Ram," and not "Hey, Krishna."đ
Off topic Gandhi didn't say Hey Ram
Originally posted by: deepikagupta9
I guess arjun weapons in Panchali's room was a myth created by Pandavas , so that arjun can go on exile & no one can suspect them.
If arjun really broke d condition & was really practicing celibacy on self imposed exile why d hell he was marrying other ladies .
What kind of celibacy he was practicing in exile by marrying other ladies ?
Most probably it was that.
Pandavas needed support from across the country
Originally posted by: HearMeRoar
Without their priest, Dhaumya? How does that work?
If the assumption he returned, then why is Krishna being present not equally valid since at least HE is mentioned in scene.before and after.
In any case, the question was why Krishna didn't object to the change in groom if that were not his plan. I believe you said he wasn't there. That discussion happened in potter's hut which is when Krishna arrived on scene. Not only that, I'm pretty sure he didn't send the gifts addressed to whomsoever it may concern. He sent to the man who married Panchali. Why wouldn't he object instead of cooperating?
The interps of Krishna's intellect and political acumen seem to swing wildly from one end of being caught in a very simple and easily foreseeable trap to conniving politician who masterminded all. Some variation in behavior is inevitable, but not this split personality disorder.
Can you quote any place where Krishna is mentioned during the negotiations with Drupad and Pandavas before Vyasa arrived? The part you quoted is not about Krishna Vasudev because it is about Krishna Vyasa as he is the one who arrived, and People pay respect to Krishna Vyasa then Krishna Vyasa asks them to sit down
The discussion in Potterâs hut happened before Krishna arrived, it didnât happen in front of him
I said Krishna left from Potterâs hut on the day of Swayamvar, Krishna is not mentioned anywhere during negotiations and wedding, Krishna âSentâ them gift after their marriage, he didnât âgiveâ them
Then the immensely famous Vasudeva presented the best of riches to
the groomâs party and as dowry to Subhadra from her relatives, one thousand golden chariots with nets of bells, each yoked to four horses and driven by skilled charioteers. From the land of Mathura, Krishna gave one thousand auspiciously coloured cows that were productive in yielding milk.
Different words and different meaning, he didnât have to send gifts if he was present there
Moreover the negotiations and marriage didnât happen on day after Swayamvara, Pandavas lived there for sometime, I donât know the time period because it is not mentioned
Dhaumya left the palace after Draupadi and Yudiâs marriage, It is clearly mentioned Pandavas married her in 5 days, it is only logical that he returned to the palace.
I already said I donât believe in Krishnaâa wish to be an emperor, I was just saying that he wasnât present during marriage and negotiations. To think about it, if it was so important to him, he would have made sure nothing can go against his plan
^^^ I guess no one can make sure nothing goes against his plan
I am inclined towards neither side on Krishna's intent so am not participating in this discussion right now. Just was pointing out on this thing
Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism
^^^ I guess no one can make sure nothing goes against his plan
I am inclined towards neither side on Krishna's intent so am not participating in this discussion right now. Just was pointing out on this thing
All this politics goes above my head because I am unable to read most of the names mentioned and their relationships with each other 𤣠I just donât think Krishna or anyone can actually plan something like this, itâs so difficult because Panchal wonât support Yadavaâs claim to throne
I can see Krishna marrying Arjuna to Subhadra as an alliance for himself, Panchal wonât favor Yadavas for Draupadi or her husband.
Arjuna wonât go against Panchal if he was married to their daughter, it was Panchal which ensured their return to Hastinapur, Krishna sent them gifts maybe to strengthen their relationship which would help him against Jarasandh
Then Arjuna and Pandavas werenât stupid to do everything Krishna and Vyasa wanted
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