Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism
So he could have spoken yet he didn't speak
Was it some kind of shuggle for him like why shall only I have Abduction marriage why not the girls of my family
There r two reasons.
1) he love adventure🤣
2) he loves to fail balram's plan.🤣
I guess vasudev was fine with arjun Subhadra alliance .
Originally posted by: deepikagupta9
@ Nora
U once mentioned krishna helped Pandavas financially , it is mentioned anywhere ?
Yes, He sent them gifts after their marriage with Draupadi
After the Pandavas had taken a wife, Hari75 sent them many golden
ornaments, adorned with pearls and lapis lazuli. Madhava76 also sent them expensive garments from many regions, blankets, deer skins, jewels that were beautiful and soft, and expensive beds, seats, vehicles and vessels, adorned with diamonds and lapis lazuli. Krishna also gave them thousands of young maidservants, adorned with ornaments, beautiful, accomplished and brought from many regions, well trained, and tame elephants, many excellent and caparisoned horses and many chariots, drawn by horses with large teeth and excellent colours, bedecked with
golden cloth. And Madhusudana,77 whose soul cannot be measured, also sent them in a separate heap crores of pure gold coins. In a desire to
please Govinda,78 Dharmaraja Yudhishthira, who was filled with pure joy, accepted all this
He left from “Potter‘s hut”
Dhaumya did leave after marrying Yudi and Panchali, her marriage with 5 brothers didn’t happen in one day
Then the priest58 who knew the Vedas built and lit the sacrificial fire and poured offerings, with mantras. He then called Yudhishthira and united him with Krishna. Then the Veda-knowing one married them, making them walk around the fire, hand in hand. Then the priest took
leave of that ornament of battle59 and went out of the palace. Then those maharathas, bringers of fame to the Kuru lineage, sons of a king among men, took the hand of that supreme among women, in
succession, one day after another.
I don’t believe anyone can plan something like this so no I don’t believe Krishna was planning for his empire, I was just saying that he wasn’t present during negotiations and marriage
Ya Draupadi's marriage with Pandavas held 4 five days coz she was individually married to each Pandavas.
Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism
Yaar performing Vajpaye Yagya is not easy, you need to be super powerful to do that, so that no one actually fights against you and if they do you are capable to defeat them. Not even Ramji did that. Very few rulers have done it.
Rajsuya is a different thing, kings are not much concerned whether or not a random state is sovereign, but Vajpeya means they are considering themselves a vassal, a territory to the main king, no one would want to let go their independence.
I don't think Kauravas were even near powerful to do that
In the thirteen years, Kauravas were strengthening their army, improving their support base, alliance, that's the reason why majority kings supported Kauravas.
Karna also defeated multiple smaller and mid sized Kingdoms to gain a lot of money(whether or not a proper Digvijay he did defeat many major kings to get riches) for Hastinapur- I am sure he would have taken some for himself too😉
Oh
So, Vajpeya = War with everyone
But other Yagyas didn’t require war, Kings had to give money, Right?
Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism
So he could have spoken yet he didn't speak
Was it some kind of shuggle for him like why shall only I have Abduction marriage why not the girls of my family
I think he was in some kind of hurry with this alliance, also suggests that he couldn’t make his father and brother do what he wanted
Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism
Brothers don't arrange marriage at least not till they father is alive. Krishna had to convince Vasudev and if that was done, convincing Balram was a piece of cake
About the marriage not being abduction, remember that Arjun also wanted money because they lacked it during those days despite the dowry by Panchal it wasn't very high.
I guess his marriages during exile was not just to win alliance but to also get money, Nagas had huge reserves, Manipur as the name suggest were the land of precious stones, he would have got huge riches from there.
He needed wealth from Dwarika too, a Rakshas Vivah or abduction marriage wouldn't have yielded him those but an arranged marriage would. I think his priority was dowry and not Subhadra😆 he would have easily himself defeated himself knowing that after Abduction Yadavs have no option but to marry them with dowry
I guess arjun weapons in Panchali's room was a myth created by Pandavas , so that arjun can go on exile & no one can suspect them.
If arjun really broke d condition & was really practicing celibacy on self imposed exile why d hell he was marrying other ladies .
What kind of celibacy he was practicing in exile by marrying other ladies ?
😆 So Krishna wasn't there because he's not mentioned in every sentence. But Dhuamya, who is specifically stated to have left was there?
Since the intent is to believe whatever one wants to. There is no room for debate.
Food for thought: Dhaumya, who was Asita's son, was appointed the Pandava priest. Dhaumya was Krishna's foster cousin.
Still somehow Krishna had no hand in it?😆
Originally posted by: deepikagupta9
There r two reasons.
1) he love adventure🤣
2) he loves to fail balram's plan.🤣
I guess vasudev was fine with arjun Subhadra alliance .
But Balram had no plan as per Mahabharata. Even in Sreemad Bhagwatam, Balram was impressed by Duryodhan which led Krishna to believe that he might suggest their alliance, so again there wasn't a plan of Balram
I would go with First option then
He left from “Potter‘s hut”
Dhaumya did leave after marrying Yudi and Panchali, her marriage with 5 brothers didn’t happen in one day
Then the priest58 who knew the Vedas built and lit the sacrificial fire and poured offerings, with mantras. He then called Yudhishthira and united him with Krishna. Then the Veda-knowing one married them, making them walk around the fire, hand in hand. Then the priest took
leave of that ornament of battle59 and went out of the palace. Then those maharathas, bringers of fame to the Kuru lineage, sons of a king among men, took the hand of that supreme among women, in
succession, one day after another.
I don’t believe anyone can plan something like this so no I don’t believe Krishna was planning for his empire, I was just saying that he wasn’t present during negotiations and marriage
I clearly agreed that Dhaumya left and it is mentioned that the marriage didn’t happen in one day so Yeah, one can believe whatever they want to
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