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Originally posted by: NoraSM

I have read that part, He didn't fight with Drishtdumya, He blamed Yudi, Drishtdumya and himself for Drona's death, that's about it

Bhima lectured Arjuna

Drishtdumya Lectured Arjuna

Satyaki Lectured Drishtdumya

Drishtdumya Lectured Satyaki

Satyaki ran towards him with a mace

Arjuna didn't speak at all after his first emotional outburst where he blamed everyone, next time he spoke was to Bhima about Narayani Astra

Fight is what happened between Drishtdumya and Satyaki

I don't know from where people pleaser came when we were talking about saving everyone he loved, he couldn't do it but he tried

People pleaser because he was trying to make everyone happy because he was begging mercy for a person of opposite team 15 days after war has started when his prime duty should have been to give his all to fight for the cause. It does not makes him any more "human" than the other. I am sorry but there are still many who would pick duty over personal relationship anyday. They are humans too

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

He asks for permission only when ARJUN wasn't fighting well, or he was not killing Bhishma. What was he doing before war when Arjun was reluctant? What was he doing when Arjun said he won't fight standing in Kurukshetra? If he is so interested in war he should not have waited for Arjun to fail before coming up. There's no rule Arjun Krishna can't fight together. Instead of trying to convince Arjun he should have gone himself and brought panchali her justice. Why sit for hours and lecture Arjun if his main motive was justice for Panchali. Pick up weapon and fight from the beginning not as substitute when Bhishma is undefeateable. Did he say he wishes to fight before war? When YBANS said they wanted peace? NO.

This is krishna to bhim before he goes to hastinapur for peace.

In case of war happening, I will certainly be the driver of Vibhatsu's car, for that, indeed, is Dhananjaya's wish and not that I myself am not desirous of fighting. It is for this that, hearing thee utter thy intention, I rekindled that thy energy, O Vrikodara

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

See his main reluctance is Bhishma and Drona as per my reading and both are close to him and there's nothing wrong in hesitating to kill them. Please note that Duryodhan needed to be killed not Bhishma. Bhishma was a great warrior but his defeat won't end war unless Dury is captured or killed. We need to stop behaving like killed Drona and Bhishma would end it. Karna was very much there and while I agree he was no match for Arjun he definitely was a strong warrior and an important figure for Kaurav army.

He did kill Bhishma - we have discussed this enough. About Drona, well wasn't Dhristadyumna destined to kill Drona? I am not saying divine way but he wanted to kill? Just like Bheem wanted to kill Kauravas. Hence yes he did hesitate to kill them.

I fail to understand why this shows he didn't care for Panchali and all the pre war citations have to be overlooked. He did do his job, maybe not with all the passion and valour as in Virat War but he did. Also we are forgetting he never hesitated to fight these people in Virat war. It's not like he didn't care but an emotional outburst at such a crucial time of life is natural thing. They aren't robots.

Exactly, He said he won't kill these two, there were many great warriors who could have done the job. He didn't go against his army, he tried to persuade them into not killing them but he never sabotaged their plan, he had one moment of weakness where he saw his father figure dying and had an outburst that too because Yudi kept asking him about noises (This guy 🙄), He didn't say a single word after his outburst, he was crying for Bhishma and Drona's death, they were humans, had human emotions, but after Drona's death he recovered quickly and protected his army, I have provided citation for his fight after Drona's death. It was a moment of lapse, the anger wasn't against Draupadi, he was hurt seeing someone he loved die

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

He did it is satyaki supported him you should read that part. I feel lazy to provide the citation he even taunted drishtdyum later citation in previous page.

And no only some humans are people pleaser. There are others like panchali like krishna like kunti like sahadev who knew how to keep duty above everything and then there ate people like duryodhan and gang. All these "human" still exists today. You should look around

That to each his own. Maybe for you the person who keeps duty over other things is correct, for me duty is not worth it if it is harsh and brings so much bloodshed and wanting to save everyone you love is a good quality for me. Now what is good or bad os subjective and that can't be argued about.

Didnt understand who is a people Pleaser here

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

That to each his own. Maybe for you the person who keeps duty over other things is correct, for me duty is not worth it if it is harsh and brings so much bloodshed and wanting to save everyone you love is a good quality for me. Now what is good or bad os subjective and that can't be argued about.

Didnt understand who is a people Pleaser here

I never said duty that brings bloodshed is right. Let us not twist words now shall we

I said that when all other options of stopping bloodshed has already been refused and it has cone to war then one should pick their duty over relationship and might with all the might because that would reduce bloodshed

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

People pleaser because he was trying to make everyone happy because he was begging mercy for a person of opposite team 15 days after war has started when his prime duty should have been to give his all to fight for the cause. It does not makes him any more "human" than the other. I am sorry but there are still many who would pick duty over personal relationship anyday. They are humans too

He was asking his army to have mercy on Drona

How does that make him a "People pleaser" here?

Was his army pleased with him asking for mercy?

Arjuna chose duty over relationship and killed/was a huge part of Bhishma's death

One moment on Outburst after Drona's death and next he saved everyone in his army

I see him keeping his duty above with a moment of weakness

Anyway, Its a matter of perception, I respect your opinion

He should not and absolutely not have begged for mercy for a man who didn't hesitate before slaying his son or even didn't raise a finger to help you or your wife in the dice hall. Did drona did anything after the lakshagriha for pandavas?? I don't think so. Why so much attachment for such a man ?? Why so much attachment for bhism?? He didn't helped them either.

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

People pleaser because he was trying to make everyone happy because he was begging mercy for a person of opposite team 15 days after war has started when his prime duty should have been to give his all to fight for the cause. It does not makes him any more "human" than the other. I am sorry but there are still many who would pick duty over personal relationship anyday. They are humans too

But he wasn't trying to make people happy. Drona was not there to listen to his mercy. He is doing it because he wants to protect everyone he loves ie two people Drona and Bhishma from K side.

You have to consider what is the duty. I am sure people's duty doesn't involve killing their loved ones in general cases. It is in these moments of dilemma that it isn't easy to choose a side. And i repeat for 2nd time, why was killing B and D his duty? Because they were mute when Drau got humiliated right? Then not killing Yudhishthir who brought this position is also failure to control duty because Yudhishthir is the main culprit. Mute spectators get killed while the person who committed the crime gets the throne is sheer injustice

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

This is krishna to bhim before he goes to hastinapur for peace.

In case of war happening, I will certainly be the driver of Vibhatsu's car, for that, indeed, is Dhananjaya's wish and not that I myself am not desirous of fighting. It is for this that, hearing thee utter thy intention, I rekindled that thy energy, O Vrikodara

I have read the full part here and it is clear that Krishna is saying he is in FAVOUR of war, does not necessarily mean he is desirous of picking up arms.. Try reading this another time. The whole conversation.

Also, considering you are right,

He is saying this now and then when Dury and Arjun goes to him why does he say he will remain weaponless? Why does he give narayani sena to duryodhan? And after giving he says he won't fight?

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

But he wasn't trying to make people happy. Drona was not there to listen to his mercy. He is doing it because he wants to protect everyone he loves ie two people Drona and Bhishma from K side.

You have to consider what is the duty. I am sure people's duty doesn't involve killing their loved ones in general cases. It is in these moments of dilemma that it isn't easy to choose a side. And i repeat for 2nd time, why was killing B and D his duty? Because they were mute when Drau got humiliated right? Then not killing Yudhishthir who brought this position is also failure to control duty because Yudhishthir is the main culprit. Mute spectators get killed while the person who committed the crime gets the throne is sheer injustice

He was in middle of war cricket khelne thodi gaya tha so ofcourse his duty was to fight and kill people before they kill him.To stand by your wife s thought process when clearly all their peace talks has failed.