Satyabhama Telling Draupadi About UpPandavas - Page 2

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Surya_krsnbhakt

[BR][DIV]Upapandavas were born during Arjuna's 12 year vanvaas. Before the dice game.[/DIV]

[BR][BR][BR]thank you!

If Arjun was away on vanvaas , then I am assuming he did not father a child with Druapdi during this period. Am I assuming right?

So how do we account for the 5 upapandavas?
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: bangles




thank you!

If Arjun was away on vanvaas , then I am assuming he did not father a child with Druapdi during this period. Am I assuming right?

So how do we account for the 5 upapandavas?

Arjuna's son Shrutakirti was born after he returned.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Shrutkarmma was born after Arjun returned home, Sootasoma was an elected King of Udyendupur before Rajsuya and Prativindhya was a King before Dyuta.Abhimanyu and Five Draupedeyas were born before Khandava vana daha.
The fact ballasted by their acting as Royal escorts at Rajasuya Yagna. They would be adults as described in early Sabha parva and Dhrishtadamyun backed by Abhimanyu and Draupedeyas are ready to fight just after Dyuta not only 13 years later.


Then looking at Draupadi, Krishna said "Your babies are very good natured. They are now interested in Dhanurvidya and they follow their brothers in path of truth. Your father and your brothers several times offered them temptations to visit them but their heart is in Dwarka. The children loved Dwarka more than staying at Panchala or at the palaces of their other maternal uncles."
"They love practicing archery in Anarta kingdom and live happily in Vrishnipuram. Like you and Kunti, Subhadra takes very good care of the young ones and teaches them to differentiate right from wrong."
"Along with Aniruddha, Suneetha, Abhimanyu and little Bhanukampa, Rukmini's son is their teacher and guide."

Abhimanyu himself teaches your young brood (santati), Mace, Sword, Rathi and Cavalry skills. He and the son of Rukmini are always proud of their progress."
Then Krishna adds a homily touch "Whenever your children go into city, I make sure each one is protected and accompanied by a rathi." (Reassuring a mother or telling us that after all, these are naughty boys who need watching and cannot be let loose on the sedate citizens๐Ÿ˜‰.)


The terms Krishna is using, bala, shishu, indicates the tender years of these children who are not allowed out unaccompanied! Their companions except Abhimanyu are in next generation of boys, the grandsons of the conversationalists. Dhrishtadamyun specifically took Draupadi's sons with him to Panchala and Krishna only took Abhimanyu and later Yudhishthara sends the daughters and nannies to Dwarka, this section probably describes either younger sons of Draupadi or grandchildren or the other Upapandavas, Devaka, Sarvaga, Nirmitra (Suneetha), Vijayaa's son Suhotra as well Nakula's wife Parvati and Sahadeva's wife Bhanumati's sons (phrase, Yagnasena or their other maternal uncles's palaces)


We will find further mentions later that Satanika helped Drupada defeat Durbuddhi, an ally of Kauravas and was given his kingdom, Prativindhya was in Sakala-dwipa and Sootasoma was elected king by Somakas in Udyendu city. So the children who were in Dwarka were not these three. The children in Dwarka came just before war on occasion of Abhimanyu's marriage. Aiterya and Shatapatha describe Satanika as interrupting Dhritrastra's yagna, and then destroying Kaurava armies (at Kurukshetra), Sootasoma's son Vraja leaving his children and wife and going to forest, returning to die in battlefield along side Anjanparva as per Kshatriya Dharma.


Aitreya and shatapatha mention Shatanika who destroyed the family of Dhritrashtra and shikhandi son of yagnasena who was priest to his grandnephew after the war, so my understanding is that sauptika was added later.
Draupadi 's sons may have died but in actual battle .
Sauptika was added that war kills everyone an anti-war message
Or to degrade aswathhama
Or enhance Krishna saving Parikshita
Vyas does not list sauptika as a parva; stree follows Salya

The brahamanas and later aryanakas and rest of vedanga celebrate Parikshita and janmajeya as kings of asandivat not Hastinapur

Asandivat was pandava war camp; city grew up around it
Built by Dharmaraja
Would you build where your children were massacred???

vichar awashya kijiyega!!!!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Bhas! Thanks for the info!
From where have you taken the translation? Is it Mahabharata or some other text?
Interesting.. Draupadi's sons came to Dwaraka and refused to go to Panchala, Nanaji would have felt so bad๐Ÿ˜†
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Which Chapter of Vana Parva then?
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Originally posted by: Surya_krsnbhakt

Which Chapter of Vana Parva then?



The Mahabharata, Book 3: Vana Parva: Markandeya-Samasya Parva: Section CLXXXII

These exact slokas get repeated again with Satyabhama doing the talking instead of Krishna some 52 chapters later. This just explains that Krishna reported to Pandavas (as a whole) and Satyabhama reported to Draupadi(women to women) in separate conversations.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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@Medha:
Thank you for sharing!๐Ÿ˜ณ๐Ÿ‘..Made for such good reading!๐Ÿ˜Š..They all must've shared such a great relationshio with one another๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ˜ƒ..And Krishna smiling at His Sakhi before leaving was really sweet!๐Ÿ˜ณ๐Ÿ‘
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