What if Kunti & Gandhari had switched?

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Posted: 11 years ago
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As we know, when Bheeshma approached Subala for Gandhari's hand for Dhritarashtra, Subala balked, and initially wanted him for Pandu. But what if the circumstances had been somewhat different? Let me explain.

Pandu is the king, so Bheeshma accepts Subala's idea to have Gandhari marry Pandu. Since Pandu is the king, he would have 100 sons. In the meantime, Kunti's secret about Karna is exposed, maybe by Bheeshma himself (who knew this from Vyasa & Narada) and no one wants to attend her swayamvara. So Bheeshma goes there and gets Kunti's hand for Dhritarashtra. He somehow finds Karna, brings him in, has Dhritarashtra marry Kunti, and let them have any kids. After that, maybe he gets Madri, maybe he doesn't...

Now, here is what happens. Pandu goes w/ Gandhari to the forests & kills Rishi Kindama, and is cursed. Note that in the original, Pandu hunted the deer of his own free will - Madri did not ask him, as was the case w/ Sita w/ Mareech. So he is cursed w/ death if he tries to consummate. However, Gandhari is pre-blessed w/ 100 sons - maybe she's pregnant b4 Pandu gets cursed. So she gives a normal birth, since her son would succeed Pandu, and there is no pressure on her. If the first one doesn't work, though, she'd have to resort to niyoga.

In the meantime, Kunti could have gone through a natural birth w/ Dhritarashtra, and had Karna there if the only purpose of having any son would be to do Dhritarashtra's last rites.

So did Bheeshma mismatch the choice of spouses for Dhritarashtra & Pandu?

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Posted: 11 years ago
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In that case would karna 's parentage would be known and could create problems by staking his claim to the throne which Dhriti may not like. Duri as pandu's son may not need to befriend Karna. Dhriti's sons may not be born of Devtas so not as illustrious as Pandavas and Karna being the strongest and ablest could forcibly win the Hastinapur throne. He may have proved to be quite a good king as he had all the qualities! Would the MB war have taken place? May be or may be not. The fight for the throne/ power would remained quitea possibility even with Kunti and Gandhari switched 😛
BTW , difficult to imagine Bheeshma spilling Kunti's secret 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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This is a beautiful topic and a broad one also And there could be many possibilities also and many questions. In that case would Kunti have covered her eyes with silk? When Pandu becomes the king, what would have Shakuni as Pandu's BIL have done? But he suely would have tried his own mischief when it happens Pandu had killed Rishi Kindama in the form of stag. If Pandu were exiled to the forest and Gandhari was with him, and Gandhari gets hundred sons in the forest, surely it is possible Shakuni would have done something to incite Duri to become the king. And Duri born in the forest would have just been ordinary and the same is the case of the sons of Dhrit and Kunti also. But one point is there. The Rishi Durvasas taught the secret spell to Kunti because he could well see into the future of what will happen to Kunti after marriage. Probably he would not have taught the Mantra and so Karna wouldn't be there. What would have happened is Duri and Yudhi may still have fought for the throne with Dhrit and Shakuni in opposite camps. The stronger of them could have prevailed. Still there more ifs here. The Hastinapura veterans like Bhishma i9f there is a war would have sided Yudi. And Krishna would still have sided Yudi as He is Kunti's nephew. Thus there is a lot of confusion and so it is possible we could see an interesting discussion if everyone of you would post in this topic.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: .Vrish.

So did Bheeshma mismatch the choice of spouses for Dhritarashtra & Pandu?

Never thought about this before but your question raises the question - why did Bheeshma choose Gandhari for Dhriti?
He knew that Gandhari was supposed to give birth to 100 children . That would be an asset to a king those days. Was Dhriti projected to be the king at that time? If yes then it explains Bheeshma's choice. It makes more sense to let the king have a wife who would have a hundred sons than let the brother of the king have her.
What do you think?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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ohh i am not only craziest one..you guys too...
TM@really craziest thought ever...
i am also thinking about the same some time what if Kunti and Gandhari had switched...

Res**

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: peridot.

Never thought about this before but your question raises the question - why did Bheeshma choose Gandhari for Dhriti?

He knew that Gandhari was supposed to give birth to 100 children . That would be an asset to a king those days. Was Dhriti projected to be the king at that time? If yes then it explains Bheeshma's choice. It makes more sense to let the king have a wife who would have a hundred sons than let the brother of the king have her.
What do you think?


Bold - That was what inspired my topic. Pandu was already king when Bheeshma approached Subala for Gandhari's hand. So why didn't Bheeshma ask Subala for Gandhari's hand for Pandu, who was still unmarried @ the time? Pandu, w/ 100 sons, would have been quite formidable. Dhritarashtra wouldn't have asked Kunti to go thru niyoga if he could give her sons of his own.

Karna wouldn't have had any rights to the throne anyway, since a kanina son wouldn't have those rights - even in the original, had Karna joined the Pandavas as asked by Krishna, Kunti & Surya, he still couldn't have replaced Yudhisthir on the throne due to that reason. Only he would have then been recognized as a kshatriya, and no princess who married him would be getting into a pratiloma marriage.

Shakuni - in the original, Shakuni is only involved in the game of dice. But here, if his sister was married to their first choice - Pandu, and his nephews automatically get to be Yuvraj, he'd have been pretty happy sitting in Gandhara, & only backing Pandu or his sons when needed.

I also doubt that Kunti would have blindfolded herself.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: .Vrish.


Bold - That was what inspired my topic. Pandu was already king when Bheeshma approached Subala for Gandhari's hand. So why didn't Bheeshma ask Subala for Gandhari's hand for Pandu, who was still unmarried @ the time? Pandu, w/ 100 sons, would have been quite formidable. Dhritarashtra wouldn't have asked Kunti to go thru niyoga if he could give her sons of his own.

Karna wouldn't have had any rights to the throne anyway, since a kanina son wouldn't have those rights - even in the original, had Karna joined the Pandavas as asked by Krishna, Kunti & Surya, he still couldn't have replaced Yudhisthir on the throne due to that reason. Only he would have then been recognized as a kshatriya, and no princess who married him would be getting into a pratiloma marriage.

Shakuni - in the original, Shakuni is only involved in the game of dice. But here, if his sister was married to their first choice - Pandu, and his nephews automatically get to be Yuvraj, he'd have been pretty happy sitting in Gandhara, & only backing Pandu or his sons when needed.

I also doubt that Kunti would have blindfolded herself.

Bold and red cause Dhritarashtra was big brother of Pandu..and most eldest on kuru vansh [i think]...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Probably if this happened there would have been no jealousy in the mind of Dury. And Pandu probably may not have been exiled as afterall he is the father of 100 sons if the curse happened after the birth of sons . If the curse had happened before the birth of sons also, Pandu may not have been exiled as the prophecy is Gandhari will have 100 sons. May be Bhima being born of normal birth wouldn't have been so strong. All the 105 princes would have grown together. Duri need not have to face abnormalities in encountering Bhima. One reason envy was planted in Dury's mind was because Bhima when he came to the palace bullied Dury and his brothers with wild energy and Dury's supremacy was consistently questioned. He had to share the love of his grandfather with Pandavas and also see that Bhima ate away much of the food made in the kitchen. If all those things didn't happen, what wiould have been the case?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: maha2us

Probably if this happened there would have been no jealousy in the mind of Dury. And Pandu probably may not have been exiled as afterall he is the father of 100 sons if the curse happened after the birth of sons . If the curse had happened before the birth of sons also, Pandu may not have been exiled as the prophecy is Gandhari will have 100 sons. May be Bhima being born of normal birth wouldn't have been so strong. All the 105 princes would have grown together. Duri need not have to face abnormalities in encountering Bhima. One reason envy was planted in Dury's mind was because Bhima when he came to the palace bullied Dury and his brothers with wild energy and Dury's supremacy was consistently questioned. He had to share the love of his grandfather with Pandavas and also see that Bhima ate away much of the food made in the kitchen. If all those things didn't happen, what wiould have been the case?


There may not have been a YBANS, since Kunti may not have invoked the Devas, but gotten normal sons from Dhritarashtra, like Yuyutsu. As for Bhima, what I remember is that Duryodhan's brothers were scared of him, but not Duryodhan. That's probably also the reason that Dhritarashtra was reluctant to let go of Duryodhan - he knew that his 99 other sons would be no match for Bhima. But in this case, there would have been no Bhima.

Dhritarashtra would have had a few normal sons thru Kunti, Gandhari would have had her 100 sons (it wouldn't have been Dury or his brothers, but maybe something like Savitri's 100 sons?) and one of them would probably have been Pandu's yuvraj. Pandu may still have killed Kindama and died after trying to consummate w/ Gandhari after the curse, and Dhritarashtra may well have succeeded him, but after that, it would have been a walkover for Pandu's kids.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Bhishma asked Gandhari for Dhritarastra because he was the elder brother, and the younger brother cannot marry until the elder does, whether he is King or not. I guess Bhishma did not know about Kunti yet when he was searching a bride for Dhritarastra. He learned about Gandhari being blessed with a 100 sons, and he thought she was an appropriate bride for the Kuru Vansh. It did not matter if she would be Queen or not, since the 100 sons would belong to Kuru Vansh and be an asset to them anyway. Since Dhritarastra was of marriageable age, Bhishma chose Gandhari for him and only then began searching brides for Pandu, after which he learned about Kunti being blessed by Durvasa.
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