Athiratha's need to stop Karan

How valid was his concern about Karan's skills on the Dhanur? 😕

MB had many warriors and not all were Kshatriyas. They were not considered a threat. Also this was one parva, where the man was decided on his skills and his way of life.

To my understanding, charioteers like Athiratha and Sanjaya were themselves highly skilled in the art of war. They used their skills when they rode the chariot during war and helped their masters in it. So why is Athiratha being so hyper about Karan and his skills?

I do not think it is true that Athiratha wanted Karan to discontinue his practice of Dhanur.. Athiratha was just afraid like a normal father would be about the way Karan's ambitions grew. He being a charioteer's son, Athiratha, to my knowledge did not want Karan to face disappointment when his dreams would not be met.. that was the only reason Athiratha asked Karan to think before he went around challenging Kshatriyas.. But have never heard about what was shown today.. So about today, I have 2 questions

1. Is it true that Athiratha wanted Karan to discontinue his practice of Dhanur?
2. If true, how valid was his concern? I get a feeling that any king would not overlook a talent like one of Karan's even if he was a Sutra.. So was Athiratha valid about his fears?

if he hadnt stopped him maybe he would have become Pandu's fabourite and ultimately sided with Pandava

I'm not sure. I don't think the text tells us too much about Atiratha and Radha. However, I doubt Karna would have learnt dhanur vidya without their blessings, and since charioteers were supposed to learn archery in order to protect themselves and their King in a war, it doesn't make sense that Atiratha would dissuade Karna from learning. 😕

Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunath

I'm not sure. I don't think the text tells us too much about Atiratha and Radha. However, I doubt Karna would have learnt dhanur vidya without their blessings, and since charioteers were supposed to learn archery in order to protect themselves and their King in a war, it doesn't make sense that Atiratha would dissuade Karna from learning. 😕

Exactly my point Janaki😕 Why would Athiratha stop Karna from something that was supposed to be learnt by all who served the king?

I remember very slightly about how Athiratha and Radha remain worried for their son Karna because of the ambitions he has. Yet, they do not stop him when he tells them that he is going to learn from Parashurama. They are just worried as to how Karna's ambitions would be met, him being a Charioteers son.. I remember the feeling of pity I had for Radha and her husband and their want to see their son happy collide with the station of life they had.. Nowhere have I read of heard about Athiratha stopping Karna.. This seems to be new😊

Originally posted by: Justlikethat1

Exactly my point Janaki😕 Why would Athiratha stop Karna from something that was supposed to be learnt by all who served the king?

I remember very slightly about how Athiratha and Radha remain worried for their son Karna because of the ambitions he has. Yet, they do not stop him when he tells them that he is going to learn from Parashurama. They are just worried as to how Karna's ambitions would be met, him being a Charioteers son.. I remember the feeling of pity I had for Radha and her husband and their want to see their son happy collide with the station of life they had.. Nowhere have I read of heard about Athiratha stopping Karna.. This seems to be new😊

Originally posted by: Justlikethat1

How valid was his concern about Karan's skills on the Dhanur? 😕

MB had many warriors and not all were Kshatriyas. They were not considered a threat. Also this was one parva, where the man was decided on his skills and his way of life.

To my understanding, charioteers like Athiratha and Sanjaya were themselves highly skilled in the art of war. They used their skills when they rode the chariot during war and helped their masters in it. So why is Athiratha being so hyper about Karan and his skills?

because this is star plus version of the story?????? All these years was he sleeping when Karn was learning Dhanurvidya?????? Again Star plus is inserting a concept which was not there in Original Mahabharat just to show that there ws huge descrimination against lower caste Sheer Bakwas 😡😡😡

I do not think it is true that Athiratha wanted Karan to discontinue his practice of Dhanur..
Complete fabrication on Star Plus's side 🤢

Athiratha was just afraid like a normal father would be about the way Karan's ambitions grew. He being a charioteer's son, Athiratha, to my knowledge did not want Karan to face disappointment when his dreams would not be met.. that was the only reason Athiratha asked Karan to think before he went around challenging Kshatriyas.. But have never heard about what was shown today.. So about today, I have 2 questions

1. Is it true that Athiratha wanted Karan to discontinue his practice of Dhanur?

Nope why did he let Karn learn Archery why did he send him to Parshuram or rather alow him????

2. If true, how valid was his concern? I get a feeling that any king would not overlook a talent like one of Karan's even if he was a Sutra.. So was Athiratha valid about his fears?

Besides Karn had become an adult when he met Kunti for te first time

It is all man garant story of star plus 😡

Karn's father took him to Dronacharya after he saw his interest and talent in Archery. Then when Drinacharya refused to teach him then Karn accepted Surya dev as his guru and started learning marshal arts but he needed a actual guru from who he could learn expertise and advance ways then with his father's blessings he went to Parshuram who accepted him as his Disciple and taught him marshal arts.

Well as per dharam in those days person was supposed to follow his father's trade.Hence karan being a charioteer's son was supposed to follow his father's trade and not archery which was a kshatriya's thing.Hence Karan's father wasnt willing to let him learn this since it would have been adharam.Infact this is the main reason why karan is not allowed to particiapte in Gradiuation ceremony

Although i dont think athirath takes karan to pashuram since karan lies to pashuram that he is a Brahmin he wouldnt have lied if his father was with him.So i dont think athirath takes him to pashuram And i dont think that charioteer's knew how to fight wasnt that the main reason why krishna ji choose to be Arjun's charioteer since that way he wont have to pick up weaopns.In whole of Mahabharat i dont remeber charioteer's fighting to protect their master.So i dont think they knew ho to fight

For more clarity read below.Charioteer's were never supposed to know ho to use weapons

Agree that this Mahabharat is bending the story in such a manner that conforms to the star plus way of doing things where every little thing is blown up and dramatized to the point of being extraneous, and moderation doesn't exist. The serial seems to be excessively invested in emotional representation that they have created a generous amount of space to accommodate each of the central characters so to serve that purpose., but for the profundity and depth that the epic in actuality and essence is, these additional bits are quite irrelevant. Its focus has shifted onto characterisation, what each character represents, and how they vary from one another in their values whereas the Mahabharata is much more than that, it encompasses the bigger questions that face our mankind, whilst playing out the tunes of individuals against that context. Having said that some of these characters capture our intrigue so much that we watch it anyway and take pleasure in analysing them and despite the quality of acting that may or may not meet the standard but in my view most of the current actors are growing well into their role. I enjoy the likes of watching Bheeshma and his wonderfully dignified, respectable presence, Shakuni, even though he seems overboard to degree of being comical, Gandhari as the pillar of strength and also burden amidst ignorance suffering as mother and wife, as time wears on her values get stampeded upon more and more, but eventually her choice is to remain in the dark and last but not least, Dhritarashtra whose own values have been buried beneath a bitter faade of passive helplessness, his inaction is contrary to what Dharma is. to retreat and excuse yourself from duty by imposing limitations and barriers on yourself..Dhritarashtra represents that aspect in all of us at some point we encounter or have encountered and Krishna's insights wakes us up from that dark slumber.

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

Well as per dharam in those days person was supposed to follow his father's trade.Hence karan being a charioteer's son was supposed to follow his father's trade and not archery which was a kshatriya's thing.Hence Karan's father wasnt willing to let him learn this since it would have been adharam.Infact this is the main reason why karan is not allowed to particiapte in Gradiuation ceremony

Although i dont think athirath takes karan to pashuram since karan lies to pashuram that he is a Brahmin he wouldnt have lied if his father was with him.So i dont think athirath takes him to pashuram And i dont think that charioteer's knew how to fight wasnt that the main reason why krishna ji choose to be Arjun's charioteer since that way he wont have to pick up weaopns.In whole of Mahabharat i dont remeber charioteer's fighting to protect their master.So i dont think they knew ho to fight

I agree Sabhyata.. Athiratha did not take Karna to Parashurama.. He did not stop him either. It is said that both Athiratha and Radha knew that Karna was someone special especially because of his Kavach and Kundal.

Charioteers did fight in the olden days but only when the person they rode for was not able to do so.. Example is Rukmini and Arjuna himself when he was brihannala.. It is not the they were not supposed to take bows and arrows, just that they usually never had to.

Krishna vowed not to take arms when the war started. He gave Arjuna two choices.. Himself without arms or his whole Army.. Arjuna chooses Krishna and requests him to be his charioteer (to steer his path, ie, to take him in the right path throughout the war)..

Krishna's vow is broken by Bheeshm who tells Krishna that he would make sure that his vow is broken atleast once😆