Do we really know 'MAHABHARATA' ?

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Posted: 11 years ago
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hi
From the time i knew that Devdutt Pattnaik was the chief consultant for this mahabharat series i was thinking if the discrepencies in storytelling is his doing or not. Whether the story being told was from his book or not. hence curious i bought his book Jaya: An Illustrated Retelling. The very first page was shocking and humbling to me. If what he has written is true then we dont know mahabharata at all and i cant find a reason for it to be false also. I wish to share it here with you:

"Vyasa classified the hymns and created four collections"Rig, Yajur, Sama and Atharva. On completing this monumental task, Vyasa had this inexplicable urge to write a story, one that would convey the most abstract of Vedic truths to the simplest of men in the farthest corners of the world in the most concrete of forms. The gods liked the idea and sent the elephant-headed Ganesha to serve as his scribe.
Ganesha said, You must narrate without a pause.' This would ensure that what Vyasa dictated was not adulterated by human prejudice.
I will,' said Vyasa, provided you write nothing unless it makes sense to you.' This ensured that all that was written appealed to the divine.
The characters of Vyasa's tale were people he knew. The villains, the Kauravas, were in fact his own grandchildren.
Vyasa called his tale Jaya, meaning the tale of a victory'. It had sixty portions. Of these, only one part reached humans through Vyasa's student, Vaisampayana. Thus no one really knows everything that Vyasa narrated and Ganesha wrote down.
Vaisampayana narrated Vyasa's tale at the yagna of Janamejaya, the great grandson of the Pandava Arjuna. This was overheard by a Sauti or bard called Romaharshana, who passed it on to his son Ugrashrava, who narrated it to Shonak and the other sages of the Naimisha forest.
Vyasa also narrated the story to his son, the parrot-headed Suka, who narrated it to Parikshit, Janamejaya's father, comforting him with its wisdom as he lay dying.
Jaimini, another of Vyasa's students, also heard his teacher's tale. But he was confused. Since Vyasa was not around to clarify his doubts, Jaimini decided to approach Markandeya, a Rishi blessed with long life, who had witnessed the events that had inspired Vyasa's tale. Unfortunately, by the time Jaimini found Markandeya, the sage had renounced speech as part of his decision to renounce the world. Markandeya's pupils then directed Jaimini to four birds who had witnessed the war at Kuru-kshetra. The mother of these birds was flying over the battlefield when she was struck by an arrow that ripped open her womb. Four eggs fell out and fell to the ground. The ground was bloodsoaked, hence soft. The eggs did not break. The bell of a war-elephant fell on top of them and protected them through the battle. When they were discovered after the war, the Rishis realized the birds had heard much during the war and knew more than most humans. Their perspective and insights would be unique. So they were given the gift of human speech. Thus blessed, these birds were able to talk and clarify Jaimini's doubts. They also told Jaimini many stories that no one else knew.
As Vyasa's tale moved from one storyteller to another, new tales were added, tales of ancestors and descendants, of teachers and students, of friends and foes. The story grew from a tiny sapling into a vast tree with many branches. At first it was about an idea. Then the idea changed and it came to be known as Vijaya. Before long it became not about any idea but about people. It was retitled Bharata, the story of the Bharata clan and the land they ruled.
The expansion continued. Detailed conversations on genealogy, history, geography, astrology, politics, economics, philosophy and metaphysics were included. The Bharata came to have eighteen chapters and over a hundred thousand verses. Even the story of Krishna's early years, the Harivamsa, was added as an appendix. That is how the Bharata came to be the Mahabharata, the great' epic of the Indian people."

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Posted: 11 years ago
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I have read Jaya as well. I'm missing out on the details because it's been almost a year since I read it. Then also, Pattanaik has made some interesting annotations to what we'd had in our minds earlier. But I am pretty sure that no deviation or modification that's taken place thus far in the show has its roots in this book.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Bhas,
There is nothing new in what Devdutt Patnaik has written. Indeed it is so.

But the problem is not which is the 'original' version of MB. Obviously, we have no way of knowing what was it exactly that Veda Vyasa wrote.

But there is one version that available us today and which we are familiar with. The problem happens when the serial tries to deviate from this version. After all, do the makers have another version where Satyavati, Amba, et all are portrayed in the manner shown in the serial?




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Posted: 11 years ago
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@Varaali
But it was news to me! Only one part from 60??. šŸ˜”

@epiphany

U r right. Even devdut has not potrayed them as vamps or cruel ladies. so dont know what script they are following...probably C.N.A.TšŸ˜†
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They're violating CNAT - I had Amba marry the eldest of Bheeshma's brothers, & give birth to Vidura šŸ˜ˆ
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Yes, I knew about this when I read the Amar Chitra Katha version of Mahabharat! I knew about it! Thats why I am confused watching this version! What all I have learned till now about MB, this version is claiming all of them to be wrong! I am kind of confused right now about what was original and what was made up!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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They haven't shown stayavati or Amba as vamps or cruel ladies if that is your interpretation then so be it but what writer's have shown are women who go after what they want that doesn't make them vamps.

As for their characteristics only stayawati's character has been slightly altered she is shown to be ambitious which she wasn't in the books any of the books. But this alteration doesn't bother me since the essence of the story was maintained. The whole essence of this story was that devrath sacrificed a lot for his father's happiness and it came out so i am ok with this alteration

Amba's character hasn't been altered she was pretty vengeful and spiteful towards bheeshm even in the books so ther isn't much change here. Why is amba considered to be a vamp just because she wants to fight for her justice. Amba is same as she was in the books only stayavati is different but none of them are portrayed as cruel or vamps

Also i am curious to know what is so different in this version that makes you feel that you dont know Mahabhart at all. Essnece of all stories has been maintained only the events have been depicted in slightly different manner to make things more interesting

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Posted: 11 years ago
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as much s i feel none of d vedas or any legend has reached us in a complete way ..one or two being exception..i mean by d tym d stories reched us..they were exagratted ,..as dey wre pssed on from generation to generation each other would hv misssed sum points n d offsprin could get d incomplete knowledge...n this being continued for generations finally we r left with this.evn i agree dat it has a lot more to it bt dats all available for d present generation ..!!
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Taareyfan

Not sure if you are talking about the books or the serials

because there is a difference

If you truly want to know all about Mahabharata the best way is to read and read. Read as many versions as you can famous ones are already mentioned. You can even read Mahabharata online they have converted word to word from Sanskrit to English .That is the best way to understand Mahabharata

But if you want to know full Mahabharata by the way of serials that isn't possible. Either you see the new MB or the old one both wont tell you the complete story of Mahabharata since MB is so huge and big that makers will go crazy if they try to tell each and every story hence they need to tell the stories that are important in a manner that we can understand the essence of Mahabharata but if you fully want to know Mahabharat then watching MB serials old or new one wont help you will need to read. Since all versions of MB on TV have omitted a lot of stories

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Posted: 11 years ago
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So far for this version of the Mahabharat, it's not what the makers are including but what they're cutting from the story. So far people are a little miffed at not seeing stories they are used to reading, e.g Ganga and Shantanu's married life, Ved Vyas's birth, reasons behind Dhritrashta and Pandu having the appearances they did, and now Amba's self immolation. Instead they're showing things we've neither read anywhere nor imagined, e.g Panchal attempting to execute Vichitraveerya, Gandhari being scared of the dark and judging by yesterday's precap, getting ready to go to war with her father. Viewers (especially those in India) are more comfortable in being shown what they already know...too much deviation and then there is an uproar about fudging the story etc.

In answer to the topic's main question...no we don't really KNOW the Mahabharat at all. If you think about it, we only know what's been told to us or what we've read from another person's version of the epic. None of us has had Brahma dev or Ganesh come and tell us the story. Ved Vyas definitely didn't send me a 1st edition copy of his written work once it was complete šŸ˜† At the end of the day it's up to us what to believe and what to disregard. I for one believe that there's a lot more to the story than meets the eye...šŸ˜‰
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