My views are clear on this “ Age is not an excuse to curse or hurt “ others
Real life also I am the way I mentioned as I commented
Every one has their own view , according to me that PspsG character lost all charms for now !
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No more discussion from me ... enough of “G “
family for me by yesterday .OG it was so touching she got really upset with FIL
May be I watched that FL character I feel like that too
Looking forward to see how Viaan & Katha
Originally posted by: Rosh4rose
My views are clear on this “ Age is not an excuse to curse or hurt “ others
Real life also I am the way I mentioned as I commented
Every one has their own view , according to me that PspsG character lost all charms for now !
🤣
No more discussion from me ... enough of “G “
family for me by yesterday .OG it was so touching she got really upset with FIL
May be I watched that FL character I feel like that too
Looking forward to see how Viaan & Katha
yea I agree with you age is not an excuse to curse or hurt. but since it happens, am more interested in how do we get past that. what does it take to resolve conflict? -- that is what I am interested to watch.
like I said, am still hopeful the drama is doing something good with how they are tacking family conflict issue. however, if it goes down typical ITV route where they all go "ma! 😭" and embrace even the most despicable FIL who does things like even plan murder 🤦♀️, then sure, lets throw chappals at the writer and TV. 😆
Originally posted by: mango.falooda
okay I have a slightly different view when it comes to papaG. 😆
like I said before in parent-conflict thread, my lens is different because I have seen real parent-child conflict.
1. once we start doing tally of who is wrong or who is wrong more, the conflict never ends. it not only goes on for years but keeps snowballing into bigger and bigger and bigger conflicts. it also gets uninvolved people into the conflict as people have to pick sides. serious headache.
2. it may not be obvious but papaG willing to come down and allow mamaG to invite katha and aarav itself is a huge step. it means he too wants reconciliation. so taking that first step is a lot harder than one thinks. you have to put aside your own pride, selfish feelings and hurt. you have to be willing to be hospitable. so that takes a lot more from a person than what we think.
3. while it may seem that papaG is not going to suffer, actually he is the type of personality that will suffer enormously when he realizes what katha has done to raise the money. he will take it personally and will hurt.
4. yes, papaG cursing aarav is bad but people say nasty things in heat of moment. to be honest, am not surprised because I have heard stuff on those lines and you are thinking "come on! 🤦♀️" ... and a while later, the same person is feeling awful and saying "but why are they fighting with me like this?!"... and again, you are thinking "come on! 🤦♀️"
5. papaG rejecting katha's request -- depends on your lens. if I just see it from katha's perspective, it seems heartless but then when I see it from the perspective of family conflicts, it happens often in different formats. when people are so caught up in their feelings, they don't want to have anything to do with the othe party. instead, it is indifferent "you take care of your own problem, am not getting involved."...
so before he didn't know aarav. now he does. so papaG will hurt whenever he thinks of how he behaved.
having witnessed real life family conflicts, will say that there is no such thing as instant redemption or reconciliation. basically some hurts cannot be undone and some distance will be there. it may take years to bridge those gaps and let those feelings go. and people feel bad later for the things they said and did. it can eat them up -- if we see a sensitive track (am just being hopeful for this drama), then we might see those feelings come into play.
if we are going through typical ITV shenanigans, then yes, it can seem like papaG didn't face any consequences. we will have to really wait and see how it plays out. a bit too early to call.
Hi Mango, good to see you back with your detailed posts! 😊
I like the points you raised there. And as someone who knows a person like papaG (him saying things in the heat of the moment, keeping grudges, etc), I do understand what you mean by the wounds that can be caused within a family, and how they can take a long time to heal (if they are healed). I think what makes me raise an eyebrow at papaG is not necessarily his role as a father or a husband, but his role as a grandfather.
PapaG feels that his son betrayed him and disrespected him. Accepted. These kinds of wrongs are especially magnified in our Indian society, as elders naturally expect us to listen to them, even if they are being unreasonable. Due to this feeling, papaG is estranged from Adi's family. I can even understand this (though obviously it's unreasonable), due to the deep feeling of hurt within family conflicts that you talked about. But what makes me feel disappointed in papaG's character is that he does not fulfil his role as a grandfather. I think what I have trouble understanding is how he could be open to letting his grandson die of cancer (with the possibility that Arav could've died without money for surgery). Anger and resentment can still exist as a father, but I believe that he could've just given the money through his wife, and still continue to explore his complex feelings about Adi, Katha, etc. After all, money doesn't seem like an issue to this wealthy family. Letting a child (your grandchild especially) actually die because of beyond deep-rooted ego issues just does not seem proportional to me, in my opinion.
And now even considering that Katha has arranged her own money, what I feel the makers could have shown is papaG's own redemption track as to how he couldn't fulfil the role of a grandfather. I like papaG's development as a husband, but haven't seen his development as a grandfather. As it's established, Viaan and papaG have a lot of parallels as flawed characters. But one character (Viaan) is exploring his guilt; he has to work to win Katha's affections now. But what hits me is that all was well between papaG and Arav; the makers didn't really explore any guilt from papaG's side as he met Arav, considering that the child could have not been alive in front of him if not for Katha. But I get what you mean when you say that we might have to wait to see how the makers play it out. I just hope that the makers do explore his guilt as well.
from what I understand, it wasn't obvious the money would save aarav at all. infact mamaG herself says that this seems like a situation where he may not survive and papaG then says why not donate to other children.
so when it comes to spending on questionable/experimental treatment, there are always different ideas on whether it is money worth spent especially when the outcome is not favourable. in this case, aarav survived but it was never guaranteed.
now papaG did give the money -- if katha had picked up the phone before going to the hotel room, we would not have this current arc. papaG basically needed a bit more time to come around. so it was a matter of hours (about a day) where things went topsy turvy.
initially I really thought that was the route the drama would take -- basically the one night stand will remain at offer level and the repercussions at that. so I was surprised that it actually did happen.
but given the level of writing, I am cautiously optimistic the drama will give a meaningful journey on resolution of conflict between katha and papaG. fingers crossed!
I found new promo a bit hilarious the way Adnan was giving expressions it seemed over the board or probably viaan is over dramatic 🤣
Originally posted by: amrapali2
You know, I never thought about it this way, but it makes complete sense to me. There is a clear comparison between Viaan and papaG; they both are flawed characters. But like you said, I simply cannot understand how, as a grandfather, would you not be able to pay (when you are wealthy) for your own grandson's cancer treatment. I do understand the family issues in between (papaG's issues with Adi, their estranged relationship, etc), but can papaG's "pain" over these issues ever compare to a little boy's agony as he struggles to live with cancer? While I do find papaG's interactions with his wife interesting and meaningful, I honestly cannot fathom his decsions when it comes to Arav. And while Viaan will now pay for his actions, papaG kind of got away with it. If you guys have any different opinions though, feel free to share them.
I don't know but if I was Katha, I am not sure if I would be able to face a man who so cruelly refused to pay for his own grandson's life, when he very well could due to his wealth.
Completely agree. I just cannot fathom papaG's actions. And more than that I'm not convinced by Katha's stance on papaG. Look at what she had to do to get the money!!! If I were Katha I would not want papaG in Aarav's life. What does it say about a man who is so cruel that he would curse his own grandson and be so cold?
Originally posted by: mango.falooda
okay I have a slightly different view when it comes to papaG. 😆
like I said before in parent-conflict thread, my lens is different because I have seen real parent-child conflict.
1. once we start doing tally of who is wrong or who is wrong more, the conflict never ends. it not only goes on for years but keeps snowballing into bigger and bigger and bigger conflicts. it also gets uninvolved people into the conflict as people have to pick sides. serious headache.
2. it may not be obvious but papaG willing to come down and allow mamaG to invite katha and aarav itself is a huge step. it means he too wants reconciliation. so taking that first step is a lot harder than one thinks. you have to put aside your own pride, selfish feelings and hurt. you have to be willing to be hospitable. so that takes a lot more from a person than what we think.
3. while it may seem that papaG is not going to suffer, actually he is the type of personality that will suffer enormously when he realizes what katha has done to raise the money. he will take it personally and will hurt.
4. yes, papaG cursing aarav is bad but people say nasty things in heat of moment. to be honest, am not surprised because I have heard stuff on those lines and you are thinking "come on! 🤦♀️" ... and a while later, the same person is feeling awful and saying "but why are they fighting with me like this?!"... and again, you are thinking "come on! 🤦♀️"
5. papaG rejecting katha's request -- depends on your lens. if I just see it from katha's perspective, it seems heartless but then when I see it from the perspective of family conflicts, it happens often in different formats. when people are so caught up in their feelings, they don't want to have anything to do with the othe party. instead, it is indifferent "you take care of your own problem, am not getting involved."...
so before he didn't know aarav. now he does. so papaG will hurt whenever he thinks of how he behaved.
having witnessed real life family conflicts, will say that there is no such thing as instant redemption or reconciliation. basically some hurts cannot be undone and some distance will be there. it may take years to bridge those gaps and let those feelings go. and people feel bad later for the things they said and did. it can eat them up -- if we see a sensitive track (am just being hopeful for this drama), then we might see those feelings come into play.
if we are going through typical ITV shenanigans, then yes, it can seem like papaG didn't face any consequences. we will have to really wait and see how it plays out. a bit too early to call.
I understand the conflict..I get it that papaG was heart broken that his favorite son walked out of his life. I would not have judged him for being rude to Katha..fine. he didn't want anything to do with her or her son.
But he could see how desperate she was. He could have thrown a crore or two on her face and asked her to get out. Why stoop low to cursing and not giving the money?
I think the more I think about this the more I feel that Viaan will not just pay for his own wrong doings..he will also suffer because of Katha's helplessness when it comes to Garewals where she has no option but to invite them into her home and life.
Maybe it's too soon to say that papaG will not suffer but it's just a gut feeling that one person will take all the suffering and that's not fair.
Also, in real life everyone doesn't get punished for their offenses so maybe this show is really close to real life if papaG gets away with it.
And if papaG regrets it when he comes to know what Katha had to do then that would be great. The story will come a full circle 👍🏼
Originally posted by: sidnilove
Completely agree. I just cannot fathom papaG's actions. And more than that I'm not convinced by Katha's stance on papaG. Look at what she had to do to get the money!!! If I were Katha I would not want papaG in Aarav's life. What does it say about a man who is so cruel that he would curse his own grandson and be so cold?
not everyone reacts to conflicts in the same way. I remember coming across this lady and her story stuck with me because it seemed surprising to me at the time.
she was estranged from her father for 8 years because she chose a love marriage. at the time, her father said nasty things to her. he didn't just curse her, he went around telling around she was dead and even did rituals like she had died. but then there was a health scare and he wanted to see her. at that time, she was very hesitant but it was her husband who encouraged her to go and make peace. while people praised her for going to make peace, she was more surprised by her husband.
his reaction was two fold -- first, he said that maybe they could have gotten married in a better way and secondly, he didn't want the estrangement affecting their children. he didn't want people saying bad things about them in future (say at rishta time) and blaming the estrangement as a reason for upbringing or lack of ties. she also shared that while it took time, she was genuinely surprised at how the two men started to get along after a period of awkwardness. so does it happen in real life? absolutely!
now katha is not the idiotic ITV FL who will say that she will go and do her duty even when her in-laws are abusing her. 🤦♀️🤦♀️ lets be clear;she is going there because they -- both mamaG and papaG -- invited them. so they have come down and they are giving her respect through the invite. she is not randomly going there. so yes, she could have chosen to keep those words in mind and not gone but she decided that aarav needs his relatives. he cannot go there alone as a child unless she is there to smooth things over.
now, the difference is that they are going as guests. not as relatives. as guests. as reet put it, she is the host. technically that is correct and katha is not there to claim her throne as eldest daughter-in-law. she and her son are there as guests at the party.
now mamaG gave them more than a grand welcome and basically paved their way into society by introducing her and aarav. so that is helpful for aarav in present as well as future. it gives him a sense that he is indeed a garewal and he is not alone in this world. he has people.
also aarav is excited to meet his cousins. he wants to know who these relatives are. he was even excited to meet his grandfather even though he is smart enough to know his grandfather did not come to visit. so he had this idea in his head that his dadaji may not be excited to meet him. so it was totally lovely to see papaG embrace aarav. it was a rather sweet emotional scene. I loved it. ❤️
now what was missing -- katha -- she stayed and watched from a distance. she did not play bahu. she did not greet him or touch his feet or any of those typical ITV nonsense. so she came as a guest.
in family conflicts, coming as a guest for a good event is pretty common. for the sake of old ties, you put aside those words and fights and just attend. however, you are not part of the organizing or hospitality. instead, you are a guest and so you just mingle around. greet and leave. there is a huge difference between becoming part of the family again where you are organizing details and where you are simply being civil and being a guest. katha was a guest. she is okay with papaG in aarav's life but he is not fully in her life. it makes sense to me!
Originally posted by: mango.falooda
yea I agree with you age is not an excuse to curse or hurt. but since it happens, am more interested in how do we get past that. what does it take to resolve conflict? -- that is what I am interested to watch.
like I said, am still hopeful the drama is doing something good with how they are tacking family conflict issue. however, if it goes down typical ITV route where they all go "ma! 😭" and embrace even the most despicable FIL who does things like even plan murder 🤦♀️, then sure, lets throw chappals at the writer and TV. 😆
I want and hope he will regret not accepting Katha earlier , really regret and repent on his cruel words and cursing
...🤷🏻♀️
Katha just like that went to the house!
Every thing is not over I still hope Katha might tell him off sooner or later !
He must realize that is all !
For PapaG ,MamaG is so special what about his son, he has no right to choose a woman he loves!!!
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Gerwals are not toxic like mosst of other families ITV that way it is fine
OMG I watched another serial for short while such horrible MIL , give me head ache even now when I think
🤣🤣🤣🤣Comparison Gerwwls are so much better great people
See guys on an average episode we had this much discussion ... 🤣
what will happen when we witness Viaan’s break down!
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Originally posted by: sidnilove
I understand the conflict..I get it that papaG was heart broken that his favorite son walked out of his life. I would not have judged him for being rude to Katha..fine. he didn't want anything to do with her or her son.
But he could see how desperate she was. He could have thrown a crore or two on her face and asked her to get out. Why stoop low to cursing and not giving the money?
I think the more I think about this the more I feel that Viaan will not just pay for his own wrong doings..he will also suffer because of Katha's helplessness when it comes to Garewals where she has no option but to invite them into her home and life.
Maybe it's too soon to say that papaG will not suffer but it's just a gut feeling that one person will take all the suffering and that's not fair.
Also, in real life everyone doesn't get punished for their offenses so maybe this show is really close to real life if papaG gets away with it.
And if papaG regrets it when he comes to know what Katha had to do then that would be great. The story will come a full circle 👍🏼
just my personal view -- you tend to feel that way when you are younger and it drives you nuts. give it a few more years and you will see that people do reap what they sow. it may take time and it may not happen the way we want, the way we expect but it does happen. now, we may think that perhaps that what they are suffering isn't measurable to the hurt they give you but thinking along those lines just makes one miserable, unhappy and increases your blood pressure. so sometimes, we have to leave the justice to God and keep moving. people will face the consequences at some point -- whether it is this life or after.
that said, it also annoys me when they just show in-laws being embraced like nothing happened and there is no change or growth. am okay with embracing after a period of regret, repentance and true reconciliation process. very few dramas will show that in a believable and sensitive way. fingers crossed, this drama is one of those exceptions.
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