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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: SweetRogue

Mahabharata was originally written as a poem, as far as I know. Poems use a lot of metaphors and similes. Perhaps they got taken literally turning history into myth. Then there are the interpolations. A text that was composed thousands of years ago is hardly going to stay unadulterated. Finally, it all depends on personal belief. I'm a rationalist and an athiest so I take every 'miracle' with a pinch of salt. There are people who believe fully grown adults could be born from fire in Dwapar Yuga and they're right in their own place. To each his own.


Yes, I too am a rationalist. I do not believe in the divinity of any character...not even Krishna.

Krishna - he is one of my favourites - is as flawed to me as all other characters. However, spirituality is a matter of personal belief. So, to each his own.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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My fascination with the epic started in childhood. My grandmother used to tell me stories from Ramayana and Mahabharata as my bedtime tales. So I grew up with Sita Swayamvara, Hanuman and Sanjeevani, Kaikeyi and Manthara, and tales from Krishna"s childhood. But one interesting aspect I find was, that my grandmother would put a logical spin on things. So when she described Krishna stealing butter with his friends, she would tell me he did it for his poor friends, whose parents had to sell all their butter and couldn't afford to give any to their children. She said Krishna breaking pots was a kind of civil disobedience against Kansa, a grassroots level non cooperation against an oppressive king, linking it to Indian struggle for independence from the British. The little me found this boy wonder truly fascinating who could start a freedom struggle of his own. And that laid the foundation of my love for what is now called mythology.

My first reading of a story related to Mahabharata was about the Bird Eye Test of Drona, in Amar Chitra Katha, when I was 10 or 11. More followed. But my first reading of the complete, unabridged Mahabharata happened this year itself. First KMG and then BORI. I know many people find KMG difficult to follow because of its language, but as a lover of Shakespearean English, I actually love it.:-) I like reading it, quoting from it, just starting it at any location and reading a few pages when I'm waiting somewhere; its a companion. And frankly, while I go to BORI for fact checking and comparisons, I find its language devoid of ridiculous figures of speech a tad boring. Although at the same time, I find the comparison of a wounded and profusely bleeding warrior to a blooming bush of flowers quite funny! And if my friends had any interest in Mahabharata like me, I'm sure we would be laughing at how many times this or that has been compared to the 'slayer of Paka'.

The logical thinking about God that I was initiated into by my Grandmother in childhood has continued to this day. I pray to Krishna to keep my mom happy, I love Krishna because, frankly, he is lovable. I respect Krishna because to manage what he did in a single lifetime is extraordinary by any account. I am in awe of his powers of reading situations, thinking on his feet, winning people to his cause, making things happen, and changing the political landscape of an entire nation without lifting any weapon. He proves that the mind is the sharpest and the most potent weapon there is.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: RoopalG

My fascination with the epic started in childhood. My grandmother used to tell me stories from Ramayana and Mahabharata as my bedtime tales. So I grew up with Sita Swayamvara, Hanuman and Sanjeevani, Kaikeyi and Manthara, and tales from Krishna"s childhood. But one interesting aspect I find was, that my grandmother would put a logical spin on things. So when she described Krishna stealing butter with his friends, she would tell me he did it for his poor friends, whose parents had to sell all their butter and couldn't afford to give any to their children. She said Krishna breaking pots was a kind of civil disobedience against Kansa, a grassroots level non cooperation against an oppressive king, linking it to Indian struggle for independence from the British. The little me found this boy wonder truly fascinating who could start a freedom struggle of his own. And that laid the foundation of my love for what is now called mythology.

My first reading of a story related to Mahabharata was about the Bird Eye Test of Drona, in Amar Chitra Katha, when I was 10 or 11. More followed. But my first reading of the complete, unabridged Mahabharata happened this year itself. First KMG and then BORI. I know many people find KMG difficult to follow because of its language, but as a lover of Shakespearean English, I actually love it.:-) I like reading it, quoting from it, just starting it at any location and reading a few pages when I'm waiting somewhere; its a companion. And frankly, while I go to BORI for fact checking and comparisons, I find its language devoid of ridiculous figures of speech a tad boring. Although at the same time, I find the comparison of a wounded and profusely bleeding warrior to a blooming bush of flowers quite funny! And if my friends had any interest in Mahabharata like me, I'm sure we would be laughing at how many times this or that has been compared to the 'slayer of Paka'.

The logical thinking about God that I was initiated into by my Grandmother in childhood has continued to this day. I pray to Krishna to keep my mom happy, I love Krishna because, frankly, he is lovable. I respect Krishna because to manage what he did in a single lifetime is extraordinary by any account. I am in awe of his powers of reading situations, thinking on his feet, winning people to his cause, making things happen, and changing the political landscape of an entire nation without lifting any weapon. He proves that the mind is the sharpest and the most potent weapon there is.


My beginning as a Mahabharata lover was comparitively insipid.
I first read a kiddish version in Bengali in school. And only bcoz it was in our syllabus.

After that I never read anything related to Mahabharata or ever watched shows related to it. In fact, even at home, my family is more or less indifferent to Mythology, so I rarely had occasions of growing up "hearing stories" of the epic like most other children.
In a way, I am very, very grateful for that...coz thanks to this, I never had any preconceived notions about any characters. The only exception was Ardi love...not the individual characters, but their supposed "love story" which I had slight attraction to.

My formal introduction to Mahabharata happened in India Forums, thanks to Star Plus' Mahabharata. I honestly knew nothing about the epic then, except the parts which were taught in school. In fact I hadnt even heard of the popumar novels like Palace of Illusions or Mrityunjay.

But those were different days. In 2013, the forum for that show was bustling with people...all eager to read the epic.. .all eager to share knowledge...n some eager to learn.

Some people were very, very learned. And it is through them that I learnt about KMG, BORI, Gita Press, etc. Whatever I know about Mahabharata today, I would give credit to those few individuals who introduced me to this great epic back in 2013.

Once I began reading...there was no looking back. Now, Mahabharata is like a partner to me. πŸ˜† My main area of interest is not exactly characters analysis, but rather Variations in the story. The different renditions, editions, folklore, etc related to the epic, and how the story evolved and how the character s changed with interpolation through the ages...that's wat I love reading. 😊
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: amritat


But those were different days. In 2013, the forum for that show was bustling with people...all eager to read the epic.. .all eager to share knowledge...n some eager to learn.

Some people were very, very learned. And it is through them that I learnt about KMG, BORI, Gita Press, etc. Whatever I know about Mahabharata today, I would give credit to those few individuals who introduced me to this great epic back in 2013.

Once I began reading...there was no looking back. Now, Mahabharata is like a partner to me. πŸ˜† My main area of interest is not exactly characters analysis, but rather Variations in the story. The different renditions, editions, folklore, etc related to the epic, and how the story evolved and how the character s changed with interpolation through the ages...that's wat I love reading. 😊

I soo remember thisπŸ˜ƒ

In 2013 you were the one asking question and now you are the one answering all

πŸ‘ amazing girl
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sabhayata

I soo remember thisπŸ˜ƒ

In 2013 you were the one asking question and now you are the one answering all

πŸ‘ amazing girl


Oh dont remind me. πŸ˜† Those were my petulant days as a Mahabharata fan.

Had it been today, the answers to my questions would have been very different.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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I've been obsessed with Mahabharata for a long time now. My fascination with the epic started with watching a re run of BR Chopra's Mahabharat, particularly the Vastraharan episode. I was fascinated with Draupadi. One thing led to another and I was deep into the intricacies, interpretations and interpolations. I cannot bear reading KMG but Debroy's translation has been a lifesaver for me. I'm still in the process of understanding this magnificent epic and it's characters.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: SweetRogue

I've been obsessed with Mahabharata for a long time now. My fascination with the epic started with watching a re run of BR Chopra's Mahabharat, particularly the Vastraharan episode. I was fascinated with Draupadi. One thing led to another and I was deep into the intricacies, interpretations and interpolations. I cannot bear reading KMG but Debroy's translation has been a lifesaver for me. I'm still in the process of understanding this magnificent epic and it's characters.


K.M. Ganguly's translation gives me headache, to be honest. πŸ˜†

Debroy's version makes the reading smooth.

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Events of the Rangabhoomi as per BORI Critical Edition translated by Bibek Debroy (volume 1)
Pandavas and Kauravas enter Rangabhoomi. Their feats. Bhima vs. Duryodhana fight. Arjuna's feats.

Then the mighty bulls of the Bharata lineage6 tightened their lower garments and entered, equipped with bows, quivers and finger protectors. With Yudhishthira leading the way, those princes, in order of their age, began to display great valour and wonderful skills in the use of weapons. Some7 lowered their heads, concerned that arrows might fall on them. Other men who were not concerned looked on, in wonder and amazement. They pierced targets with arrows that had their names engraved on them. They rode fleet-footed horses skilfully. On witnessing the strength of the princes in the use of bows and arrows, they were amazed and thought they were in a city of the gandharvas. O descendant of the Bharata lineage! Hundreds and thousands of men, their eyes dilated with wonder, cheered them on. After repeatedly demonstrating their skill in the use of bows and arrows, chariots, fighting on elephants, fighting on horses and duels, those strong ones then picked up swords and shields and began to circle one another on the ground, exhibiting the various modes of attacking with a sword. They saw the agility, beauty, symmetry, balance, firmness of grasp and mastery in use of sword and shield.
Then, in great spirits, Suyodhana8 and Vrikodara entered, with clubs in their hands, like two single-peaked mountains. Those mighty-armed warriors tightened their lower garments and roared, like two mad elephants trumpeting and contending.9 Those immensely strong ones circled each other with unblemished clubs, like mad elephants. Vidura described the feats of the princes to Dhritarashtra and the mother of the Pandavas10 described them to Gandhari.'

Vaishampayana said, When the Kuru prince11 and Bhima, supreme among strong ones, descended into the arena, the spectators divided into two factions, each partial towards its own favourite. Some cried, "Look at the valorous Kuru prince. Others cried, "Look at the valorous Bhima. A great roar arose from the cheers of the spectators. On seeing that the place had become like a turbulent ocean, the wise son of Bharadvaja spoke to his beloved son Ashvatthama. Drona said, "Stop those two great warriors, both skilled. Let this crowd not become angered over Bhima and Duryodhana. Restrained by their preceptor's son, those two raised their clubs, like violent oceans lashed by tempests at the time of the world's destruction.
Then Drona entered the arena and stopped the musical instruments in a voice that was as deep as the thunder of the clouds. "Now behold Partha, who is dearer to me than my own son. He is skilled in the use of all weapons. He is Indra's son himself and is like Indra's younger brother. With his entrance blessed by his preceptor, the youthful Phalguni12 appeared. He wore a finger protector and arm guard,13his quiver was full of arrows and he had a bow in his hand. He wore golden armour and he looked like an evening cloud reflecting the rays of the setting sun, radiant as a rainbow with lightning flashes. At this, a loud roar of joy arose everywhere in the arena. Musical instruments and conch shells sounded. "This is the middle Pandava, Kunti's illustrious son. "This is the great Indra's son, the protector of the Kurus. "This is the supreme one among those who are skilled in the use of weapons. "This is the supreme one among those who tread the path of dharma. "This is the foremost one in good conduct. "This is the treasury in knowledge of good conduct. Hearing these loud and incomparable words from the spectators, Kunti's tears mingled with milk from her breasts and made them damp.
Dhritarashtra's ears were filled with the great roar and that best of men happily asked Vidura, "O kshatta! What is this great uproar like the sound of a stormy sea, which suddenly arises in this arena and resonates in the sky? Vidura replied, "O great king! Pandu and Pritha's son, Phalguni, clad in his armour, has entered. Hence, this uproar. Dhritarashtra said, "O one with great intelligence! I am indeed fortunate and favoured that I am protected by the flames of these three Pandavas, obtained from Pritha's kindling. When the arena had become somewhat quiet, Bibhatsu14 began to exhibit the lightness in use of weapons he had learned from his preceptor.
He created fire with an agneya weapon. He created water with a varuna weapon. He created winds with a vayavya weapon. He created rain with a parjanya weapon. He entered the ground with a bhoumya weapon. He created mountains with a parvata weapon. He made everything disappear with an antardhana weapon. In an instant, he appeared tall, then short. In an instant, he was yoked to his chariot. In another, he was in the middle of his chariot. And in another instant, he was on the ground again. Trained well, the preceptor's favourite used various types of arrows to shoot various targets, some fragile, some fine and still others thick. When an iron boar was moved, he shot five continuous arrows into its mouth, as if they were but one arrow. A cow's hollow horn was swayed on a rope and the immensely valorous hero shot twenty-one arrows into it. In this way, he exhibited his great dexterity in the use of the sword, the bow, the club and other weapons.


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Posted: 6 years ago
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Contd.
Karna's entry.

O descendant of the Bharata lineage! The tournament was almost over. The musical instruments were quiet. The spectators had thinned. At that time, there was heard at the gate the sound of arms being slapped, signalling power and strength, like the crash of thunder. "Are the mountains being splintered? "Is the earth breaking up? "Is the sky echoing with the roar of clouds filled with rain? O ruler of the earth! The spectators in the arena thought in this way and turned their eyes towards the gate. Surrounded by the five brothers, Pritha's sons, Drona looked like the moon surrounded by five stars. With Ashvatthama, Duryodhana, the slayer of enemies, stood up quickly, surrounded by his 100 haughty brothers. He had a club in his hand and his 100 brothers circled him, with weapons raised, looking like Purandara15 of ancient times, surrounded by the gods at the time of doing battle and destroying the danavas.'
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Vaishampayana said, The spectators, eyes wide with wonder, made way and Karna, the conqueror of enemy cities, entered the large arena. He was clad in his natural coat of armour. His face was radiant with his earrings. His bow was in his hand and his sword was tied.16 He entered like a walking mountain. That destroyer of enemy armies was great in fame and wide of eyes. Karna was born from Pritha when she was a virgin, from a portion of the sun whose rays are sharp. His strength, valour and prowess were like that of a lion, a bull, or a king of elephants. In radiance, beauty and splendour, he was like the sun, the moon and the fire. He was tall, like a golden palm tree. He was a youth who could slay lions. Born from the sun, he was handsome and possessed countless qualities. The mighty-armed one looked all around the arena. Perfunctorily, he bowed to Drona and Kripa. Everyone in that assembly remained stationary and gazed at him steadfastly. They were filled with great curiosity and asked each other who he was.


Edited by SweetRogue - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
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SweetRogue:
One suggestion. Could you please make the citations in italics, and possibly in a different colour? Also add links from KMG?

Sorry, I have a bit of OCD when it comes to text formatting...πŸ˜†
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