Mere Paas Tum Ho v/s Kaamna - Page 4

Originally posted by: zubair8xm

Mateen sb Hania Father. Co worker of Danish In Mpth

Vs. Coworker of Manav Kaushal Ji (i hope that is his right name.

I don't think they both can be compared.

Mateen Saab was a complex character. He was a person who cheated on his wife during his youth. Then when his wife found out, she divorced him. He regretted his actions ever since. The person with whom he had an affair did not love him. He always thought that he carelessly ruined his happy life in search of more. Even though his wife told that she forgave him after some time. Both of them knew that it was mere words. His betrayal was too strong for both of them to forgive.

When he saw the signs of broken marriage in Danish-Mehwish life, he immediately thought to help Danish to not make the same mistakes that he once made.

He was like a mentor, a parental figure for Danish.

Danish and Him did not share much connection in the beginning. The connection became stronger as they both communicated with each other through their sorrows and regrets. Their connection was soo strong by the end that Danish was totally affected by Mateen saab's death. He was in a state of total unrest. The one person who understood his pain the most was no more.

While Kushalji is an excellent friend... I do not think that this show is going to give Kushalji any backstory or depth for the character. He is a happy-go-lucky guy who live a simple life with his (sometimes obnoxious) wife and his kid.

Thanks. Welcome back @umawanderer. 👍🏼 Missed your in-depth analysis.

Hania v/s Sakshi

Now here, this is the most hardest comparison. Actually mind-numbingly tiring. I took much more time for this is because I couldn't think of writing anything valuable for both the characters. I always got bored with both Hania and Sakshi. I know, I am heartless... But It was the truth. I just couldn't stand both the characters. They were both boring and did not add much to the story from my POV.

Hania: She is played by Hira Mani. If I could bet, I would bet that I was the only person in the universe who did not like Hania much. Ok Let's start this.

It is not that I hate her.. I just did not like her. There is a difference. She was caring. She was compassionate. She was kind. But.... Yeah... She was not a match for Mehwish.

Hania was introduced as a anti-thesis for Mehwish. A woman who puts love above the material possessions. But then, the execution was weak. Mehwish, as I said, was woman with class. A beauty with brains. But I couldn't say the same for Hania.

She was just there to show audience that what Mehwish did was wrong.. to show how Danish got hurt.. etc...

She was a believable teacher.. that I must give her. She was caring but not nosy. She reminded me my many teachers during my school times, who would understand if I was feeling down by just looking at me. They would ask me but if I didn't want to say much.. they will never force me. But this was enough for me to open up to them on my own.. later..

She was a gift for Roomi. Roomi, who was ignored by a selfish Mehwish and a stupid Danish, was cared for and nurtured by Hania.

But my love towards that character ends there, she was good as Roomi's teacher. I think they should not have added the love angle.

Hania was not exactly a well defined character for a love story. Especially when all the other characters so well defined, she fell flat. She did not have enough time to establish herself.

Maybe it was just me... but I also felt that the age gap was huge between Hania and Danish. Maybe it was not but it felt that some mid-20s girl falling for a mid-30s guy. It is not wrong. There are many people who fall in love with each other with much greater age gaps. But as we all know, it the presentation that makes or breaks. I feel the the writing breaks here.

After few interactions with Danish, Hania looks like a love sick puppy for me. She fell in love with Danish's.... Actually I really don't know what she liked about Danish. But obviously she saw something in him that I did not. It's ok But she just fell in love.. just like that.. which is irritating for me. It looked childish when till now the story dealt with way too many adult themes. It felt out of place.

I also did not like the fact that after her love towards Danish is established, she just ends up talking to her friend/cousin only about Danish's pain and suffering. And it is more irritating when you realize that she did not have much scenes to establish herself before the love arc. We never got much chance to know her. That is why when they introduced the love track for her, I was not drawn to it because, I just know she is a nice teacher but would she be a nice partner for Danish? I never know.

Even her love towards Danish felt empty to me because she only saw Danish's side of the story and started sympathizing with him. She did not see the extreme possessiveness or the extremely toxic patriarchal mindset. Her seeing Danish with the 'rose-tinted' glasses gave me the feeling of her not being much mature. In fact, her 'deep' conversations with her friend/cousin was just written so poorly. In those scenes it felt that she was just a mouthpiece of the writers and nothing else.

Maybe it was because the writers did not know how to write strong minded, mature, kind hearted and independent woman. Or maybe Hania did not get much time to establish herself.

Overall... I was not really surprised when Danish rejected Hania.. He really didn't know much about her other than that she was a kind teacher.

Sakshi: She is played by Ramnitu Chaudhary. Just as I said, I did not like Hania so I was not looking forward to Sakshi character much.. Oh I don't want another character to tell me again that what Akanksha did to Manav was wrong. But to my surprise, she was not that bad......... at the beginning.

I actually liked the way Sakshi's character was introduced. As a student counselor who recognized that one of her student's life was negatively affected by his parents fight. Her meeting both the parents and asking them to co-operate for the mental well being of the student was also believable. It was like the writers of this show also felt that Hania was not defined so they decided to correct that. But then they destroyed whatever hope I had for that character.

She was a person who had life outside the Manav-Yathu-Akanksha circle. She had a life, her interests etc. She also had a tragic backstory and I was glad that she was not going and yapping about her sap story to anyone who was ready to hear. She was reserved. She was sensible. She was mature.

She could be seen as a perfect companion for Manav. She could also have been a better parental figure for Yathu.

Please note that I used the word 'could'.

Because the writers then crushed all the possibilities into dust by making her irritating, dumb and somewhat toxic character.

The moment she started actively calling Yathu as 'Parth' It was game over for me.

Sakshi lost both her husband and son in a car accident. She mourns the death of her son, 'Parth'. (Though she also lost her husband, but I don't think I actually saw her shed even a single tear for her husband ... i don't know why) It is understandable that some things of Yathu reminds her of her dead son. It is still Ok for her to get sometimes confused with Yathu and Parth. After all she is a human being. Human beings are allowed to make some mistakes. But what is not acceptable for me is that she then replaces her dead son by someone else's son. Her act of openly addressing Yathu as 'Parth' is insulting to both Yathu and Parth.

Maybe I would have been less offended if Sakshi was not a child psychiatrist, but she is!!! And she should know better than anyone that her actions are toxic in nature. Now, Yathu doesn't know that Parth is her dead son's name but when he learns of that, what does she think will happen. Poor kid will question the love he is getting. He might start to think that he is just a replacement for his favorite Sakshi Ma'am. He might even think that 'Yathu' may not be deserving to be loved as Sakshi only loves 'Parth'. Poor kid is already growing up to have some trust issues because of his mother, Akanksha's actions. And now, because of Sakshi's actions he may never be able to love himself to the point of self acceptance. Maybe he will grow up to have no amount of self worth.

I have always voiced out my opinions against Sakshi's insistence on calling him 'Parth' multiple times in this forum. It was the most unhealthy aspect of their relationship.

She failed as a psychiatrist for me there but the writers were not satisfied, they had to pulverize any bit of hope in me. She even fails as a child counselor when she gives into every single unrealistic demand of Yathu. Children can make unreasonable demands.. that is not their fault. They don't know much. But if a person, who studied child psychology, does give in to their all unreasonable demands then the adult is at fault. Sakshi, as a child psychiatrist/ school counselor should know by now how to deal with unreasonable demands of children. She should have been able to communicate better with Yathu. But nope. We need TRP so all logic is thrown outside.

Sakshi and Manav's relationship could have been one of the mature relationships of ITV history, if only they executed it with care and patience. But like all the ITV dramas, they had to rush it and complicate it by adding as many plot points as they could.

I think I liked The chemistry between Manav and Sakshi more than Hania and Danish. Maybe the actors did a better job. Or maybe the writers added some more normal scenes than their Pakistani counterpart.

They had more interactions because they were living in the same house.

Living together angle: Yeah, I need to share my thought about this angle. Frankly, I couldn't care less when they started living together the first time. It was OK. Sakshi needed a shelter and Manav was ready to provide. Like co-living or PG mates. But when Sakshi and her MIL started living with Manav and Yathu the second time, I just did not like it. There was really no need for that.

But overall I would like to say that Sakshi and Hania were unfortunate characters. They could have much more depth and strength but alas! they were not that much important. As a teacher for a child I liked Hania but as a partner, I think Sakshi was better. Sakshi was terrible as a child counselor

This was such a tiring analysis ....

Great Analysis

Yeah Sakshi is terrible as a Counselor/Psychologist

But this Yathu has also proved many times with his irritating demands that he is definitely the son of Akansha 🤣🤣🤣

Don’t like Sakshis character, she doesn’t seem like a counsellor, instead acts like a love sick puppy

Gr8 analysis. ⭐️ Time taken to analysis 👍🏼 Appreciated 👏

Only difference between hania and sakshi is hania did not have past tragedy like sakshi. At least writers did not copy exactly from MPTH on this.

Agree the way sakshi calling Yathu - parth when they are both alone was not right decision. What made it worst was Sakshi agreed with Yathu in calling her mamma (mummy).

Now that the show is about to end soon.. I better complete the analysis thread...

Maham v/s Niharika will have to wait some more because... frankly I am unable to understand Niharika's stand as of now.

These were the topics I was waiting to cover... So I am so excited:🥳

Production team:

This one goes straight to Pakistani team. Every costume, every set design and every single detail was beautiful and more importantly fit the theme.

MPTH team used real locations for their shoot. Be it Shewar's mansion or Danish's apartment.

While Kaamna's location looked like always a set. The reason for that could be that while MPTH was a show with fixed number of episodes, Kaamna was shot like a basic ITV, which means the show producers didn't know how long will the show run. Because of this format, MPTH could rent real locations as they knew how long they would need it. Kaamna would go bankrupt if they rented real places, so they went with Sets.. which is cheaper and re-usable.

So of course when we see MPTH we see use of natural lighting more. This helps the audience feel the raw realness of the whole place making them sub-consciously think that this is real story happening to real people. In contrast, the extreme lighting to hide the falseness of the sets of Kaamna makes it seem unreal for audience. They always feel that this is a show and these people are portraying characters. Thisis not the fault of Kaamna PT, the show's format made them go for this approach.

While sets were not in their hands, the costumes were definitely in their hands. And here again, Pakistani team takes the win by making the characters wear realistic and elegant clothing. When you see MPTH, You see Shehwar wearing elegant suits to office, regal looking kurta pyjama. we see Mehwish rocking every look whether it is the bored housewife look or a millionaire's arm candy. Even Danish before and after look fit him. Everyone looks so beautiful and elegant.

And then we see the Indian counterpart, and cry. The difference in the quality of costumes is so jarring that you just think that this PH need some donation. Almost all the time Akanksha gets a bad deal as all her costumes are much more ridiculous. Comparing Akanksha's and Mehwish costumes you feel bad for Akanksha. When Mehwish looks classy, Akanksha looks like a beggar won a lottery. The costumes for the gentlemen of Kaamna looked OK but then they were somewhat more experienced in the industry so they knew what worked on the screen. But even when they were OK, the men's costumes looked like that-'costumes', while in MPTH they looked like clothes worn by men.

Now that, I have completed the Set design and costumes, I think the only problem I had with the MPTH Production team was the jewellery section. Anytime they show any necklace or ring and claimed it was expensive, it looked fake.. way too fake.. fake enough to take me out of the scene. This was jarring because all other aspects of the show was quite realistic. But in Kaamna... Everything already felt fake so when the jewellery is also fake it doesn't feel unusual.

Kudos to the MPTH Production team for such a nice and professional work behind the scenes.

As for Kaamna team, I know the set was not in your hands but you could have handled the costumes and makeup much more better way.

Originally posted by: umawanderer

Now that the show is about to end soon.. I better complete the analysis thread...

Maham v/s Niharika will have to wait some more because... frankly I am unable to understand Niharika's stand as of now.

These were the topics I was waiting to cover... So I am so excited:🥳

Production team:

This one goes straight to Pakistani team. Every costume, every set design and every single detail was beautiful and more importantly fit the theme.

MPTH team used real locations for their shoot. Be it Shewar's mansion or Danish's apartment.

While Kaamna's location looked like always a set. The reason for that could be that while MPTH was a show with fixed number of episodes, Kaamna was shot like a basic ITV, which means the show producers didn't know how long will the show run. Because of this format, MPTH could rent real locations as they knew how long they would need it. Kaamna would go bankrupt if they rented real places, so they went with Sets.. which is cheaper and re-usable.

So of course when we see MPTH we see use of natural lighting more. This helps the audience feel the raw realness of the whole place making them sub-consciously think that this is real story happening to real people. In contrast, the extreme lighting to hide the falseness of the sets of Kaamna makes it seem unreal for audience. They always feel that this is a show and these people are portraying characters. Thisis not the fault of Kaamna PT, the show's format made them go for this approach.

While sets were not in their hands, the costumes were definitely in their hands. And here again, Pakistani team takes the win by making the characters wear realistic and elegant clothing. When you see MPTH, You see Shehwar wearing elegant suits to office, regal looking kurta pyjama. we see Mehwish rocking every look whether it is the bored housewife look or a millionaire's arm candy. Even Danish before and after look fit him. Everyone looks so beautiful and elegant.

And then we see the Indian counterpart, and cry. The difference in the quality of costumes is so jarring that you just think that this PH need some donation. Almost all the time Akanksha gets a bad deal as all her costumes are much more ridiculous. Comparing Akanksha's and Mehwish costumes you feel bad for Akanksha. When Mehwish looks classy, Akanksha looks like a beggar won a lottery. The costumes for the gentlemen of Kaamna looked OK but then they were somewhat more experienced in the industry so they knew what worked on the screen. But even when they were OK, the men's costumes looked like that-'costumes', while in MPTH they looked like clothes worn by men.

Now that, I have completed the Set design and costumes, I think the only problem I had with the MPTH Production team was the jewellery section. Anytime they show any necklace or ring and claimed it was expensive, it looked fake.. way too fake.. fake enough to take me out of the scene. This was jarring because all other aspects of the show was quite realistic. But in Kaamna... Everything already felt fake so when the jewellery is also fake it doesn't feel unusual.

Kudos to the MPTH Production team for such a nice and professional work behind the scenes.

As for Kaamna team, I know the set was not in your hands but you could have handled the costumes and makeup much more better way.

I think ITV always does a bad job with costumes and Jewellery. It’s always ostentatious. I agree Akanksha wore a lot of clothes - especially western wear that didn’t suit her one bit.

I will upload the Maham Vs Niharika post soon... But let's discuss my favorite topic

Songs:

I actually can not believe this.. but Good Job!! Kaamna PH!! This was the the time I felt that some effort was made. First let's go through some facts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqpodHqjVYQ

MPTH has the legend "Ustad Rahat Fateh Ali Khan" singing this song. The composer is Zameer Anjum. I have no idea about his other works but Rahat Fateh Ali Khan is a legend.. This song became instant hit.. It is available in Youtube. Everyone liked it.............well... maybe not me........

Before you throw stones and sticks at me.. I liked the song... but due some personal reason, I just couldn't like it much. The song was played at the opening, before the precap, after the precap, before the ad break, after the ad break, and finally at the end. And during some emotional moments too, the song was playing in the background. It was just over exposure for me.. I became sick of listening to "Mera yeh bahram tha, Mere paas tum hooooooooo"

The song was too depressing. The series was already depressing with Toxic and hopeless characters and the Rahat Fateh Ali Khan sir was not helping me with his tearjerker song playing in background.

But If not while watching the show, I loved hearing the song.

Please.. if any one wants to hear a beautiful song about a heartbroken lover deserted by the love of his life... please listen to the song. The lyrics are so beautiful and Ustad's voice needs no introduction.

Now, Kaamna's team had huge shoes to fill. They did not do much when you think about it but somehow their work was effective.

So I am sure everyone knows that the title song is a little remixed version of 1990's 'Jurm' movie's "Jab Koi Baat Bigad Jaye" sung by 'the-one-and-only' Kumar Sanu.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE7C35WxKno

But instead of feeling lazy, the song feels apt for the premise of the show..

The lyrics of the song is the essence of the love which promises lifelong companionship and loyalty

Jab koi baat bigad jaaye Jab koi mushkil pad jaaye Tum dena saath mera, o hamanawaaz Na koi hai, na koi tha, jindagi men tumhaare siwa Tum dena saath mera, o hamanawaaz Ho chaandani jab tak raat, deta hai har koi saath Tum magar andhero men na chhodna mera haath Jab koi baat bigad jaaye Wafaadaari ki wo rasmen, nibhaayenge ham tum kasme Ek bhi saans jindagi ki, jab tak ho apane bas men Jab koi baat bigad jaaye Dil ko mere hua yakin, ham pahale bhi mile kahin Silasila ye sadiyon ka, koi aj ki baat nahin Jab koi baat bigad jaaye 

So it feels correct, when the remixed song appears in the show where love and loyalty is tested.

I almost feel like Manv is the one singing this to Akanksha as a plea to never cheat on him.

The remixed song is composed by Nishant Raja (I don't know if he is a single person or two composers) But looking through the composer's previous works, It feels like a work of a upcoming brilliant composer.

The composer's previous works include music in series like "Choti Sardarni", "Tu Aashiqui" As far as I am concerned the songs I heard were fresh and a nice mixture of modern and traditional..

So The songs in this show 'Kaamna' ... It is remix but there are so many different versions of the same song.. and so apt for the situation..

The cheerful and hopeful version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBim5K7nrwE

The heartbreak version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvN6kJ3tX50

The Dark times version(The one in which both Yathu and Manav cry out their despair)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG0-v5CrmNA

The Akanksha one is also so apt for her character

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoYT9yBvKrw

There is even a nostalgic version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P04bbvGC6GI

And As if these remixed versions were not enough... The is an original song for Sakshi.

The lyrics feel as if the song is sung by a mother to a kid.. The lyrics are simple but effective.. you can feel the tenderness and care behind the words.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OPPG9-xdcw

So with all that said,

I liked the song in Kaamna as the title song.. because it was less tragic feeling.. it felt light hearted.

But

Just because I like the song in Kaamna doesn't mean I don't like the MPTH song. In fact I know for sur that I would search for MPTH song in YT and I would see the original 'Jab Koi Baat Bigad Jaye' by Kumar Sanu

All I am saying is that, As a song for a serial which i watch after a tiring day, I'll always prefer the slightly more cheerful Kaamna version instead of hearing Ustadji crying"Mera yeh baram tha, Mere paas tum hoooooo"

As an individual song, I'll always prefer the MPTH, but a round of appreciation for the composers of Kaamna to remix the song which matched the essence of the show while not destroying the original masterpiece in the process..