Jai Kumar Nair feels Isha is not..[DT NOTE Pg 8] - Page 6

Originally posted by: aanyakunat

i have not really followed any dance reality shows before this year... so this is the first time i'm seeing the work of both salman and jai... and neither of them have managed to impress me... salman less than jai.. as a lay person who doesn't understand the technicalities of dance, i haven't enjoyed any of salman-isha's performances.. and the only reason i have enjoyed darsheel-avneet's performances is because of those two and not because of jai's choreography... so even though i agree with him about isha's performances being monotonous, i haven't seen better work from him either...

i knew when i read the article that salman-isha fans will come and attack... what i didn't see coming was the kind of malice i would see against a man who's only expressing his opinion... it's funny to see the same people who have accused other members of being biased and defending their favorites cannot see beyond their own bias...

and i'm not surprised to see another couple of people who seem to have an agenda against salman-isha since the beginning of the show coming and questioning (not very nicely may i add) people who's choices differ from their own...

the truth is hardly any of us can see beyond our own biases... be it people who intensely love a particular contestant (and/or choreographer) or others who seem to harbor the opposite feelings... very few people feel the need to respect other people's opinion and feelings... why should we? after all we have the advantage of virtual anonymity!

...we are not fools here ...from day 1 salman is getting bashed in this forum...sometime directly and sometym on the name of CRITICISM ... im defending him from day 1 coz he means something to me...but just to defend my point .. i have never taken any other celebrity into account weathr its gurmeet , shibani , bharti or rashmi or any other contestant ... some of the fans here bash salman and isha just bcoz their favrt is getting through it but i have never badmouthed any of them ...it wud be gud if you go through everything and than make ur judgement...Coming to jai ...there is no doubt jai is an amazing dancer or choreographer n i never meant to offend his fans ... but his statement is just showing his frustration ...bcoz he din got that limelight.. salman is getting as a choreographer and he totally deservs it ... jai his behaviour records are not so good ..y i need to remind wat he has done...n hez like this only ..i only blabber wen i feel lyk i have a point.. SAD FACT i joined this forum to have fun ..but wenevr i have commented here ...it was just to defend salman n i hardly had any sincere discussion here ... as far as i have seen only ppl getting bashed lyk hell in this forum are salman...isha and gurmeet ...n gurmeet is getting bashed ..so his fans are bashing others... n i dnt know y ...y cant one praise the one they lyk ...instead of writing ram katha for someone they dont ...all of them are working hard every week.."Salman has not come with good choreography" ...this line just cracked me up ...n its rather funny than senseless.. bashers just close their eyes while watching him coz they dont like him ...

Originally posted by: pigbelly4myfeet

Yes you have your opinions and I have mine. Ok fine. Please enjoy your opinions ok? I don't even know what to say to you to make peace with you, really. I give up.

And yes, I do have high expectations. You got that right. 😆 Sometimes I do wonder why everyone doesn't have high expectations but whatever...you're right I should just back off. I do feel too strongly about some things, I can't help it. *shrugs*

Let's just drop this discussion now. No need to reply. :)

How about for starters putting across your POVs in not so rude manner and may be not making others feel as if you're pouncing onto them for having a different perspective. Criticize as much as you like as long as you don't make it personal or question something you have no right to.

Having high expectations is commendable, but false expectations not so much. My apologies to have used wrong word in the context.

And after all this, you think I would follow your command of not replying to your post. Hell no 😆

P.S: I replied hoping your post was created to have some peaceful resolution and not some sarcastic vendetta.

Originally posted by: aanyakunat

i have not really followed any dance reality shows before this year... so this is the first time i'm seeing the work of both salman and jai... and neither of them have managed to impress me... salman less than jai.. as a lay person who doesn't understand the technicalities of dance, i haven't enjoyed any of salman-isha's performances.. and the only reason i have enjoyed darsheel-avneet's performances is because of those two and not because of jai's choreography... so even though i agree with him about isha's performances being monotonous, i haven't seen better work from him either...

i knew when i read the article that salman-isha fans will come and attack... what i didn't see coming was the kind of malice i would see against a man who's only expressing his opinion... it's funny to see the same people who have accused other members of being biased and defending their favorites cannot see beyond their own bias...

and i'm not surprised to see another couple of people who seem to have an agenda against salman-isha since the beginning of the show coming and questioning (not very nicely may i add) people who's choices differ from their own...

the truth is hardly any of us can see beyond our own biases... be it people who intensely love a particular contestant (and/or choreographer) or others who seem to harbor the opposite feelings... very few people feel the need to respect other people's opinion and feelings... why should we? after all we have the advantage of virtual anonymity!

Originally posted by: pigbelly4myfeet

LOL I do appreciate your blunt, neutral opinion. 😆 You make some good points.

Yes, I guess I am one of the people you're referring to as not having anything nice to say about Salman and Isha. Yes I am guilty of that I admit. I can't help feeling strongly about that.

I don't mean to say anything personal against Salman or Isha. But Salman's lack of appreciation for his music and Isha's lack of dancing skills does bother me greatly.

You're right that not all of Jai's choroegprahies have been excellent either. Actually no choreographer's track record on JDJ has been perfect. But what I do appreciate with Jai is that he genuinely tries to experiment and showcase different things. He may not be as great as Shampa or Savio as yet...he's still learning and building his way...but at least he LISTENS to his music and choreographs accordingly. I have genuinely loved his samba "character dheela" choreography, the jazz funk "ek main aur ek tu" one and the DDLJ numbers. Of course he has been lucky with getting kids like Avneet and Darsheel as contestants (Avneet especially) but he has challenged them well also. They have grown and learnt a lot from him as well.

I just don't see that with Isha and Salman's team. I do genuinely try to be fair and watch all of their performances before judging...and even wait for the upcoming performance with an open mind. But I never seem to see a spark.

The problem is not even who's better and all. The problem is the lack of criticism for Salman-Isha. Why are these guys held as the standard of JDJ? They are appreciated for mediocre/superficial performances! THAT is my problem.

That is what Jai is expressing too. Now Darsheel IS a better contestant than Isha. He's got way more stage presence though he's younger. So are many others. Like Rithwick and Rashmi. I guess things like grace and stage presence...PERSONALITY while dancing don't count for much these days.

ALL of thee dancers and choreographers have some flaws. But the problem is, that the judging isn't fair. Salman and Isha have been excused for their flaws whereas other contestants haven't. Even though these other contestants are challenging themselves to a greater degree and coming outside of their comfort zones.

That's the pathetic standard and unfair judging this show is creating that bothers me. And the fact that choreographers like Salman never get any criticism so they don't even TRY to improve themselves. It's just saddening to see that as a dance lover.

I can think of a million suggestion points the judges could have provided for Salman-Isha so that they could improve. When the judges aren't delivering with what they're supposed to be doing, I think it's fair for an audience to question that. It's not even fair to people like Salman and Isha themselves to not receive proper criticism. It's this TRICKING the audience into thinking that certain contestants are better. Paving way for scripting the final results. Which is completely unfair.

I don't even have a favourite contestant on this show. This season hasn't been that exciting anyways. It just bothers me when people label mediocre stuff as great dancing when it's just not. 😆 It just brings the standard of dancing down.

You do make a great point about our personal biases too. Yes, as humans I don't think anyone can help having their own biases. I have nothing against people liking Salman-Isha or whatever...their choice. I mostly have a problem with these guys getting unnecessary hype on the show. When there are other, better contestants.

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Beeef! and he can't talk. Twat.

i totally go nwid him bout rashmi ,ritwik,darsheel bharti and isha..

How many 30s Isha got? I think 8 or 9, and then there was 29 too. Are all those for Aerial which her forte? I dont think so, If she got 30 for other forms too that means she is versatile as she excelled in other form... And competition is still on, so she may get 30 for hip-hop too. Ab agar sab form woh abhi hi kar degi to aage kaya karegi. Keep counting her 30s.

Originally posted by: Me_Anonymous

just a correction: Isha's first 30 was for an out and out Bollywood Dance number - The Dirty Picture. I hate it when people forget any contestants earlier performances and only mention the recent ones.

I would agree with Jai if he was completely right about that. Yes, Isha's Bollywood & Hip-Hop in week 10 were not good but that does not mean she can't do a bollywood dance and excel in it which she has done earlier.

In the past week or so I have updated the wikipedia JDJ5 page and noticed that Isha's first 30 was a Bollywood number. I honestly hope people (other contestants and the general population) would leave this poor girl alone.

Isha has not excelled in aerial acts only but a lot of floors acts too:
Freestyle (1st performance) - yes the performance started with rope mallakhamb but that was only for the first 35-40 seconds or so the rest was floor dance;
Pasodoble (3rd performance);
Freestyle (Puppet Dance) (4th performance, may be 5 or 6 seconds were aerial but majorly floor dnace);
Contemporary (horror) (5th performance);
Bachata (6th performance);
Bollywood Contemporary (Zindagi ka safar, 7th performance);
Afro & Chau (9th performance);
Freestyle (Satrangi, 12th performance but week 11).

Nicely put.. Jai has perfect case of loss of memory as some of Isha's haters.

jai is the same dancer jisey apni arrogance n insecurity ke karan jhaad padi thi on DID from remo ...jdj pe aakey bhi usney yehi start kar diya 😆 he has 36 ka akdaa with salmaan coj vo DID jeeta tha jay nahi

here in jdj many contestent r who cant do a normal arial act that mean vo bhi weak hai in many forms ...whats the big deal