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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Me_Anonymous



just a correction: Isha's first 30 was for an out and out Bollywood Dance number - The Dirty Picture. I hate it when people forget any contestants earlier performances and only mention the recent ones.

I would agree with Jai if he was completely right about that. Yes, Isha's Bollywood & Hip-Hop in week 10 were not good but that does not mean she can't do a bollywood dance and excel in it which she has done earlier.

In the past week or so I have updated the wikipedia JDJ5 page and noticed that Isha's first 30 was a Bollywood number. I honestly hope people (other contestants and the general population) would leave this poor girl alone.

Isha has not excelled in aerial acts only but a lot of floors acts too:
Freestyle (1st performance) - yes the performance started with rope mallakhamb but that was only for the first 35-40 seconds or so the rest was floor dance;
Pasodoble (3rd performance);
Freestyle (Puppet Dance) (4th performance, may be 5 or 6 seconds were aerial but majorly floor dnace);
Contemporary (horror) (5th performance);
Bachata (6th performance);
Bollywood Contemporary (Zindagi ka safar, 7th performance);
Afro & Chau (9th performance);
Freestyle (Satrangi, 12th performance but week 11).

All of these have been floor acts except for only the Aerial Hoop (or ring dance) that was full on Aerial (Isha's part only).

Verstality? I see lots of that in these performances. All of these performances expressed different emotions, yes they might seem the same to people what with the addition of lifts but all of the major dance forms include lifts. I personally had a problem with them getting 30 for Bachata performance due to coordination problems in one of the steps but may be I am being too strict here so won't comment further on that. But other than that, Isha has shown verstality more than anyone else. Especially the Afro & Chau performance where the dance required two different forms of energy to be put into and Isha did that wonderfully (check Madhuri's comment for reference if its difficult to find in the acutal performance).

And the Ballroom dance I had major issues with her body form. When I think of Ballroom, I think of straight and strong body posture especially the torso, shoulders and arms. Isha's was very weak at times (which was called for due to the B&B story, she is scared so a weak posture was necessary). I think they should have gotten maybe 27 or something less but since this is JDJ the focus is not on International dance forms alone but majorly Indian/bollywood dance forms so by that standard their performance was excellent but strictly speaking it wasn't.

Yes, full on dance performances are good but how many times can you watch only dance with no story? once, twice, thrice? trust me, the fourth time it'd be boring.

Out of all the performances so far done by all contestants on a Bollywood Dance form, for me, Isha's The Dirty Picture is the best - not only in terms of choreography but dance, expressions, etc too. But again, that is my opinion only - not a fact. I respect that everyone has their own opinions and there might be some who would disagree with me but I only hope that people base their opinions on facts and not half-facts/half-others opinions.

One more thing, I like Isha's one statement that she has said on the show "[you try something new - ] sometimes you fail, sometimes you succeed". So if her hip-hop/bollywood dance wasn't a great success, doesn't mean she cannot do hip-hop or bollywood. Others who have tried strict hip-hop are Shibani, Rithvik and Bharti only of which only Rithvik and Shibani's was good. Infact, Shibani's wasn't stricly a hip-hop only dance. Hip-hop is rithvik's forte just like aerial is Isha's but Isha can do other dance forms as I explained earlier.
Darsheel, Rithvik and gia tried lyrical hip-hop which is different from hip-hop.

Others can fail at some dance forms but Isha can't? She is a human the same as everyone else, she is allowed to fail. If not, then so should everyone else be.

Note Bharti, Gurmeet and Karan's last few performances which weren't great.

Agreed, Rithvik and Rashmi's performances are good but try doing dance for 11 weeks straight and only 4 weeks straight, you'll see the difference yourself. Doing one thing again and again takes a toll on anyone. Some of Darsheel's performances have been good but only about 2 have been excellent: Lyrical Hip-hop (week 4) and week 10 Partner performance. The aerial performance was great but not excellent.

Shibani was improving with each performance but week 9, she wasn't so good either (scored the lowest). Bharti's earlier performances were good but as weeks progressed her dancing seems to be not as good as earlier.

I don't know how many of you noticed this but Isha couldn't perform with heels. She had real trouble with that but she did in her 3rd performance. I call that progress and learning & improving.

I have yet to see a performance of Darsheel and Avneet's where I am left completely speechless. I liked their Pehla Nasha performance the best so far. The DDLJ performance, I did not like it at all (but that's just my opinion).

This show is a "reality-show", a contest, the strongest (in terms of dance and votes) survives. Medicores don't, unless they have fans willing to vote to keep them in (I am NOT talking about anyone in particular here but talking about reality-shows in general).

This is my 2nd reality show after JDJ1 that I have followed from 1st episode and I have to say that so far Isha has been the only contest whose talent has compelled me to vote for her (online only) but no one else did. I have watched other bits and pieces of other reality shows (including JDJ2, 3 and 4) and in my opinion so far Isha and Shweta Salve have been the best in terms of dance. Others might disagree and they are more than welcome to but I can only hope that people would make statements keeping in mind all the facts and not ignoring some while mentioning those that agree with their viewpoint.

p.s. I guess I have done enough rambling here to cover the last 4-5 years I had left IF, lol.


Very well said @Me_anonymous:

I dont understand why Jai keeps criticising people, this is not the first instance. Isha is indeed a versatile dancer and more than that she is a fabulous dancer. How can people forget her 2nd performance "The Dirty Picture " one was a mix of bollywood freestyle n contemporary.

And if she had a choreographer who was an expert in classical , she could have doen that too.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I agree with jai... Nice to heard about JAYATi's dance classes...👏
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Posted: 12 years ago
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i agree with u jai. we all hav our opinion abt things bt i dont like the way salman and isha fans r reacting. at one point u dnt like him cticizing other and at the same time what r u doing? same thing crticizing him. can't he have an opinion abt something. i think he has the right to say whatever he wants to. plus i think hto me he was the best dancer in did 1(only my opinion,u can hav other favourites).
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Me_Anonymous



just a correction: Isha's first 30 was for an out and out Bollywood Dance number - The Dirty Picture. I hate it when people forget any contestants earlier performances and only mention the recent ones.

I would agree with Jai if he was completely right about that. Yes, Isha's Bollywood & Hip-Hop in week 10 were not good but that does not mean she can't do a bollywood dance and excel in it which she has done earlier.

In the past week or so I have updated the wikipedia JDJ5 page and noticed that Isha's first 30 was a Bollywood number. I honestly hope people (other contestants and the general population) would leave this poor girl alone.

Isha has not excelled in aerial acts only but a lot of floors acts too:
Freestyle (1st performance) - yes the performance started with rope mallakhamb but that was only for the first 35-40 seconds or so the rest was floor dance;
Pasodoble (3rd performance);
Freestyle (Puppet Dance) (4th performance, may be 5 or 6 seconds were aerial but majorly floor dnace);
Contemporary (horror) (5th performance);
Bachata (6th performance);
Bollywood Contemporary (Zindagi ka safar, 7th performance);
Afro & Chau (9th performance);
Freestyle (Satrangi, 12th performance but week 11).

All of these have been floor acts except for only the Aerial Hoop (or ring dance) that was full on Aerial (Isha's part only).

Verstality? I see lots of that in these performances. All of these performances expressed different emotions, yes they might seem the same to people what with the addition of lifts but all of the major dance forms include lifts. I personally had a problem with them getting 30 for Bachata performance due to coordination problems in one of the steps but may be I am being too strict here so won't comment further on that. But other than that, Isha has shown verstality more than anyone else. Especially the Afro & Chau performance where the dance required two different forms of energy to be put into and Isha did that wonderfully (check Madhuri's comment for reference if its difficult to find in the acutal performance).

And the Ballroom dance I had major issues with her body form. When I think of Ballroom, I think of straight and strong body posture especially the torso, shoulders and arms. Isha's was very weak at times (which was called for due to the B&B story, she is scared so a weak posture was necessary). I think they should have gotten maybe 27 or something less but since this is JDJ the focus is not on International dance forms alone but majorly Indian/bollywood dance forms so by that standard their performance was excellent but strictly speaking it wasn't.

Yes, full on dance performances are good but how many times can you watch only dance with no story? once, twice, thrice? trust me, the fourth time it'd be boring.

Out of all the performances so far done by all contestants on a Bollywood Dance form, for me, Isha's The Dirty Picture is the best - not only in terms of choreography but dance, expressions, etc too. But again, that is my opinion only - not a fact. I respect that everyone has their own opinions and there might be some who would disagree with me but I only hope that people base their opinions on facts and not half-facts/half-others opinions.

One more thing, I like Isha's one statement that she has said on the show "[you try something new - ] sometimes you fail, sometimes you succeed". So if her hip-hop/bollywood dance wasn't a great success, doesn't mean she cannot do hip-hop or bollywood. Others who have tried strict hip-hop are Shibani, Rithvik and Bharti only of which only Rithvik and Shibani's was good. Infact, Shibani's wasn't stricly a hip-hop only dance. Hip-hop is rithvik's forte just like aerial is Isha's but Isha can do other dance forms as I explained earlier.
Darsheel, Rithvik and gia tried lyrical hip-hop which is different from hip-hop.

Others can fail at some dance forms but Isha can't? She is a human the same as everyone else, she is allowed to fail. If not, then so should everyone else be.

Note Bharti, Gurmeet and Karan's last few performances which weren't great.

Agreed, Rithvik and Rashmi's performances are good but try doing dance for 11 weeks straight and only 4 weeks straight, you'll see the difference yourself. Doing one thing again and again takes a toll on anyone. Some of Darsheel's performances have been good but only about 2 have been excellent: Lyrical Hip-hop (week 4) and week 10 Partner performance. The aerial performance was great but not excellent.

Shibani was improving with each performance but week 9, she wasn't so good either (scored the lowest). Bharti's earlier performances were good but as weeks progressed her dancing seems to be not as good as earlier.

I don't know how many of you noticed this but Isha couldn't perform with heels. She had real trouble with that but she did in her 3rd performance. I call that progress and learning & improving.

I have yet to see a performance of Darsheel and Avneet's where I am left completely speechless. I liked their Pehla Nasha performance the best so far. The DDLJ performance, I did not like it at all (but that's just my opinion).

This show is a "reality-show", a contest, the strongest (in terms of dance and votes) survives. Medicores don't, unless they have fans willing to vote to keep them in (I am NOT talking about anyone in particular here but talking about reality-shows in general).

This is my 2nd reality show after JDJ1 that I have followed from 1st episode and I have to say that so far Isha has been the only contest whose talent has compelled me to vote for her (online only) but no one else did. I have watched other bits and pieces of other reality shows (including JDJ2, 3 and 4) and in my opinion so far Isha and Shweta Salve have been the best in terms of dance. Others might disagree and they are more than welcome to but I can only hope that people would make statements keeping in mind all the facts and not ignoring some while mentioning those that agree with their viewpoint.

p.s. I guess I have done enough rambling here to cover the last 4-5 years I had left IF, lol.

👏👏 Wow!! Really well put !!
I completely agree on the part you've written abt Isha! 😃
Edited by ThatOneGal - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Grapes are sour 🥱
Isha might lack in classical...but she's not versatile?? Meh 😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
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except isha fans no one thinks she is versatile coz she is not
performing same thing again and again coz she cant get 30 if she performs other dances shows her insecurity.
anyways she cant win the show
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Agree,..Jai,...Isha is not versatile dancer,...sad for darsheel and avnit
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Posted: 12 years ago
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YAYYY for Jai! 👏 Thank God some people still have the guts to speak their minds!

I actually think he's being far too generous. Isha has got to be the most BORING dancer I've seen in a long time. And what amazes me, is that this girl has ACTUALLY had dance training?!? Really? Is it actually dance training, or gymnastics training she's had...because I honestly don't see a dancer in her! I really don't.

Being a dancer does NOT equal being able to do X,Y,Z types of flexibility moves/stunts/tricks/lifts etc. When Isha can simply stand on the stage and express correctly to ONE bit of music...I will give her credit. If she can simply WALK gracefully on stage, that'll still be something.

Isha doesn't have the creativity, the MIND, the artistic sense, and most importantly the GRACE of a dancer. It doesn't even look like she's actually listening to her music at all. There is no connect factor...she could be doing a gazillion moves for ANY frickin' song and it would look the same.

Some dancers can do the same moves repeatedly and yet still make it look different and refreshing...whereas Isha makes everything she does look monotonous and boring.

SO glad Jai used the word "monotonous" because that is EXACTLY what Isha's dancing is.

Versatility is one thing, but I don't even think Isha makes whatever she's supposed to be good at look appealing from any angle either! She makes me cringe, honestly. Especially because there's no GRACE in her movements. Her movements don't flow...they are random and choppy. Lameness. 👎🏼

I saw that "dirty picture" act and even the puppet one that some people here are talking about. Just so I could be fair in my comment. And that "dirty picture" one made me CRINGE like anything!! Blahh! And of course randomness all over the place as Isha and Salman's acts always are. WHY oh WHY do ALL of their acts look so CREEPY to me?

What "story" are people even talking about? The "story" aspect NEVER makes any ounce of sense in Salman-Isha's acts. It's all randomness. I fail to ever even understand what the heck is going on because there's no CLARITY. There's no thought process involved and there's no connect to the music!!! :S

It's not just Isha's dancing that's the problem either. It's Salman's SUPERFICIAL choreography that makes it worse.

I can totally understand Jai's point of view and frustration. It's always the SUPERFICIALITY that rules. Genuine and hard working talent is never appreciated enough.

Now people like Darsheel, Rithwick and Rashmi...heck even Gurmeet and Bharti I think work much harder than Isha does. They're actually challenging themselves. And their choreographers aren't relying on GIMMICKS to make them look good on stage.

The biggest thing too of course is the genuine factor. Isha and Salman have never ONCE looked GENUINE to me on stage. It's all for show. All superficial and it looks totally fake. And that is something I cannot stand. At least put in SOME soul in your dancing...some personality...do these guys even LIKE to dance? I don't think I've ever even seen a moment in their acts where I've felt that yes these guys actually love to dance.

Thank GOD for people like Jai! 👏 He's an awesome dancer and a choreographer. And his knowledge in multiple dance forms is apparent as we've seen him choreograph all kinds of dance styles with Darsheel and Avneet this season. Good for him that he's gaining success with his dance institute. He's one of the most hard working and genuinely talented dancers I've seen on TV. He deserves to go far. 👍🏼
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Good article... Jai u told the truth... Isha might be good in some forms of dance but... When she did bollywood number on govinda and karishama ..her dance was showing how graceful she will be in aerial stretching dance forms...

Kudos... Whether forum ppl will agree or not...but its a fact isha is not versatile she will just stick to dance forms which she has learnt and good in executing them...

Rashmi i have a doubt that whether she can win or not.. She is good dancer... But liking rithwik nowadays... The winner is unpredictable...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Me_Anonymous




Isha has not excelled in aerial acts only but a lot of floors acts too:
Freestyle (1st performance) - yes the performance started with rope mallakhamb but that was only for the first 35-40 seconds or so the rest was floor dance;
Pasodoble (3rd performance);
Freestyle (Puppet Dance) (4th performance, may be 5 or 6 seconds were aerial but majorly floor dnace);
Contemporary (horror) (5th performance);
Bachata (6th performance);
Bollywood Contemporary (Zindagi ka safar, 7th performance);
Afro & Chau (9th performance);
Freestyle (Satrangi, 12th performance but week 11).

All of these have been floor acts except for only the Aerial Hoop (or ring dance) that was full on Aerial (Isha's part only).


While I respect your sentiments and your appreciation for Isha and Salman...I have to say that ALL of these acts have looked exactly the same to me. Versatility does not mean simply SAYING that you've done all these styles, you actually have to DO them well.

I still fail to see how whatever Isha and Salman did was a "paso doble". It wasn't. Neither was that trio performance a "bachata". That "puppet" dance just looked weird and creepy...it wasn't convincing enough...neither as a puppet nor as an arial performance. It seemed half baked and confused to me. I've never seen any bollywood in all of their acts. Where were the bollywood expressions? The Bollywood steps? I didn't see any. In fact I didn't see any of the authentic dance STEPS for any of the dance styles you've mentioned above.

To be fair, that afro and chau dance was the only one that had some authentic steps. But Isha's lack of expressions and inability to connect with the music made that dance a bore to watch for me as well.

ALL of Salman and Isha's acts have looked like some sort of contemporary/arial dancing even if it wasn't technically CALLED that. THAT right there is a TOTAL lack of versatility. The word "monotonous" again is totally the APT word here.

Again, no offense meant to your sentiments...if you enjoy watching Isha and Salman...great. But Jai is absolutely right here.
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