An Atheist's argument: Read this!

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I found this amazing story in the Debate Mansion about an atheist professor's argument about God, and his student's super clever reply: really, it's soooo interesting!๐Ÿ˜Š Please read it!
An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class
on the problem science has with God, The Almighty.

He asks one of his new students to stand and.....

Prof: So you believe in God?

Student: Absolutely, sir.

Prof: Is God good?

Student: Sure.

Prof: Is God all-powerful?

Student: Yes.

Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed
to God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help
others who are ill. But God didn't. How is this God
good then? Hmm ?

Student: (Student is silent.)

Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again,
young fella. Is God good?

Student: Yes.

Prof: Is Satan good?

Student: No.

Prof: Where does Satan come from?

Student: From.....God...

Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this
world?

Student: Yes.

Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it?

Student : Yes .

Prof : And God did make everything. Correct?

Student: Yes.

Prof: So who created evil?

Student: (Student does not answer.)

Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness?
All these terrible things exist in the world, don't
they?

Student: Yes, sir.

Prof: So, who created them?

Student: (Student has no answer.)

Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to
identify and observe the world around you. Tell me,
son...Have you ever seen God?

Student: No, sir.

Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?

Student: No , sir.

Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God,
smelt your God? Have you ever had any sensory
perception of God for that matter?

Student: No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.

Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?

Student: Yes.

Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable
protocol, science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do
you say to that, son?

Student: Nothing. I only have my faith.

Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.

Student: Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

Prof: Yes.

Student: And is there such a thing as cold?

Prof: Yes.

Student: No sir. There isn't.

(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn
of events.)

Student: Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more
heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat
or no heat. But we don't have anything called cold. We
can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but
we can't go any further after that. There is no such
thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe
the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold.

Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir,
just the absence of it.

(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)

Student: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such
a thing as darkness?

Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?

Student: You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the
absence of something. You can have low light, normal
light, bright light, flashing light....But if you have
no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called
darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it
were, you would be able to make darkness darker,
wouldn't you?

Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?

Student: Sir, my point is your philosophical premise
is flawed.

Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?

Student: Sir, you are working on the premise of
duality. You argue there is life and then there is
death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the
concept of God as something finite, something we can
measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It
uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen,
much less fully understood either one. To view death
as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact
that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death
is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it.

Student : Now tell me, Professor , do you teach your
students that they evolved from a monkey?

Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary
process, yes, of course, I do.

Student: Have you ever observed evolution with your
own eyes, sir?

(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning
to realize where the argument is going.)

Student: Since no one has ever observed the process of
evolution at work and cannot even prove that this
process is an on-going endeavour, are you not teaching
your opinion, Sir? Are you not a scientist but a
preacher ?

(The class is in uproar.)

Student: Is there anyone in the class who has ever
seen the Professor's brain?

(The class breaks out into laughter.)

Student: Is there anyone here who has ever heard the
Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelt
it?.....No one appears to have done so. So, according
to the established rules of empirical, stable,
demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no
brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then
trust your lectures, sir ?

(The room is silent. The professor stares at the
student, his face unfathomable.)

Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.

Student: That is it sir.. The link between man & God
is FAITH. That is all that keeps things moving & alive


The student was.......... "Albert Einsten"

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S_rocha thumbnail
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Posted: 15 years ago
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๐Ÿ˜ณ .... while reading your post i was thinking the student is really very clever as he skips the tricky and difficult questions , but really he was Albert Einsten๐Ÿ˜ฒ. And really it happened. I am a big Fan of Albert Einsten being a student of science. wow wow how cleverly he replied he was indeed one of greatest of mankind๐Ÿ‘. beautiful arlicle _LalithaJanaki_๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ. I came online here after a long break but It so good to read such a wonderful event of Einsten.
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Originally posted by: S_rocha

๐Ÿ˜ณ .... while reading your post i was thinking the student is really very clever as he skips the tricky and difficult questions , but really he was Albert Einsten๐Ÿ˜ฒ. And really it happened. I am a big Fan of Albert Einsten being a student of science. wow wow how cleverly he replied he was indeed one of greatest of mankind๐Ÿ‘. beautiful arlicle _LalithaJanaki_๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ. I came online here after a long break but It so good to read such a wonderful event of Einsten.

Thanks!๐Ÿ˜Š
I too am a big fan of Albert Einstein. He is a true scientist who advanced science but at the same time did not disprove God or lose faith in him.๐Ÿ˜Š
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Posted: 15 years ago
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this was absolutely beautiful lalitha...i've actually read this one before too in my physics class during undergrad days!!!! Go Albert Einstein!!!
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wow !!! lalitha how cleverly ALBERT EINSTEIN explained his professor that GOD exists in this world
really the science always asks for the proofs but there r some topics in science which still hv got no proofs
now the existence of THE GOD has been proved with the help of science ,with the radio carbondating techniques & the various other techniques which archeologists use ,the existence of THE GOD ,THE SOUL has been proved
the existence of LORD RAM ,LORD KRISHNA,THE RAMAYAN ,THE MAHABHARAT all has been scintifically proven
in JAPAN ,the scientist locked an ailing man (who was abt to die) in a glass box ,as soon as the man died ,the glass box was broken ,it was due to the soul which went outside the glass box !! the polaroid cameras which record the aura of a place ,traced the existence of the soul !!!!
great guns to MR.ALBERT EINSTEIN !!!
it was such a pleasure reading this whole conversation !!!
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Originally posted by: sita11

now the existence of THE GOD has been proved with the help of science ,with the radio carbondating techniques & the various other techniques which archeologists use ,the existence of THE GOD ,THE SOUL has been proved
the existence of LORD RAM ,LORD KRISHNA,THE RAMAYAN ,THE MAHABHARAT all has been scintifically proven


I disagree with you here. Science has no evidence to prove the existence of god neither it has strong reason to support the theory of life after Death. In this part the progress of science is still in the preliminary research stage. It has no scientific proof that there is soul which resides inside the body and left it after death. Every thing it speaks of here is a possibility not a prof. And yes the people tried to prove the Ramayana ans Mahabharata but it is still debated that the prof presented by people is real or man made. I don't want to hurt anyone faith about there believe in God but if it comes under scientific prof it fails. I should say here whether God exist or not is beyond the scope of present level of science to prove๐Ÿ˜Š


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the SRILANKAN RAMAYAN ARCHEOLOGICAL TEAM has given all the evidence of the THE RAMAYAN ,the setu samudram pics hv been released by NASA ,NASA has proved the authenticity of setu samudram ,which was built by LORD RAM !!
the srilankan archeologica team (which uses sceintific means) has given even the birthdates of LORD RAM & all the great characters of RAMAYAN ,even a website is also launched by SRILANKAN GOVERNMENT ON THIS
all this was shown on AAJ TAK NEWS CAHNNEL
& EARLIER also we had a discussion on this ,at the thread which was opened by raj !!!
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I agree those pics was released by Nasa team but there is no prof that that bridge was built by RAMA. One of the reason for this debate is if we go long back to the period when Rama is suppose to exit the geographical feature of earth is different. Now I could not post the picture otherwise i would have posted the map of world of lacks of year back( treta yuga)which was according to scientific theory. In those time the geographical feature of earth was such that Sri lanka and India was attached. so there is no need of building the bridge. Also I said the possible reason for the disagreement between science and religious believe is the limited state of science in which it is currently. The science has no prof of existence neither it has prof for its non-existence. So its better not to combining both as both are two sides of a bank. Any attempt to combine science and religion will result in disagreement. So believe what your conscience says and your faith without bringing it to scientific level๐Ÿ˜Š
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Originally posted by: desichica

this was absolutely beautiful lalitha...i've actually read this one before too in my physics class during undergrad days!!!! Go Albert Einstein!!!



I'm glad you enjoyed re-reading it.๐Ÿ˜ƒ
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Originally posted by: sita11

wow !!! lalitha how cleverly ALBERT EINSTEIN explained his professor that GOD exists in this world

really the science always asks for the proofs but there r some topics in science which still hv got no proofs
now the existence of THE GOD has been proved with the help of science ,with the radio carbondating techniques & the various other techniques which archeologists use ,the existence of THE GOD ,THE SOUL has been proved
the existence of LORD RAM ,LORD KRISHNA,THE RAMAYAN ,THE MAHABHARAT all has been scintifically proven
in JAPAN ,the scientist locked an ailing man (who was abt to die) in a glass box ,as soon as the man died ,the glass box was broken ,it was due to the soul which went outside the glass box !! the polaroid cameras which record the aura of a place ,traced the existence of the soul !!!!
great guns to MR.ALBERT EINSTEIN !!!
it was such a pleasure reading this whole conversation !!!



Thanks Sita.๐Ÿ˜Š

When I saw this conversation posted in the Debate Mansion, I first thought that it was talking against God but after reading it, I was really amazed!๐Ÿ˜ƒ
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