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Posted: 13 years ago
18 days. It ended on the 18th night, w/ Ashwatthama, Kripa & Kritavarma massacring the remnants of the Pandava army, including Dhrishtadyumna, Shikhandi & Draupadi's 5 sons. The Pandavas, Krishna & Satyaki were only saved b'cos they happened to spend that night outside that camp.
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

18 days. It ended on the 18th night, w/ Ashwatthama, Kripa & Kritavarma massacring the remnants of the Pandava army, including Dhrishtadyumna, Shikhandi & Draupadi's 5 sons. The Pandavas, Krishna & Satyaki were only saved b'cos they happened to spend that night outside that camp.



thanx for the information bhaiyya !!

did duryodhan die before or after the massacre? and there were no battles after that?

also what happened to indraprastha when dharmraj became king? mahabharat mentions that he ruled hastinapur, so does that mean he abandoned indraprastha or did he merge it back into hastinapur? or did the other pandavs rule indraprashta?

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Posted: 12 years ago
i have another question folks !!😳

would ram ji's luv kush and shri krishna's children, like pradyuman, sambha, and bhanu among many others, be considered Gods, since their fathers were Gods, or would they be considered demi gods since Ram ji and Krishna ji came in the form of humans? or were they just simple humans ??

but it doesn't make sense for them to be simple humans because they were the songs of Vishnu bhagwaan !!😕

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: -RamSitaKiDasi-

i have another question folks !!😳

would ram ji's luv kush and shri krishna's children, like pradyuman, sambha, and bhanu among many others, be considered Gods, since their fathers were Gods, or would they be considered demi gods since Ram ji and Krishna ji came in the form of humans? or were they just simple humans ??

but it doesn't make sense for them to be simple humans because they were the sons of Vishnu bhagwaan !!😕


We all are children of God and God lives in all of us.😃 Sorry j/k. Anyway, if we stick to human incarnations of Vishnu, Son is anyhow and anyway the ANSH of father Mina in any case. But since he is a part and would derive the characteristics of parents, virtuewise he can be more positive or negative IMO. A son taking only a particular virtue of a father therefore can become greater in that particular virtue of father possibly like a student can go seriously deep & far in a very casually taught theory by Guru.

Now talking about the God's ansh in them, Saamb for example, is said to be part incarnation of Shankar/Rudra (Vibhooti of God as per Vibhooti yog) and so as Ashwatthama. So one might see to it that Hanumanji was born with Satvik form of Shiv, Saamb with Rajas and Ashwatthama with Tamas (even though he was Brahmin) with different degrees also possibly of Shiv's vibhooti or element. Lakshman-Bharat-Shatrughna-Balram were also Vishnu's (Vibhooti of God as per Vibhooti yog) part incarnations as per some sources or Sheshnag-Anant (Vibhooti of God as per Vibhooti yog)/Sudarshan's incarnations. Vanaras/bhalu & Pandavas were sons of devtas & therefore their parts. Duryodhan was Kaliug's incarnation. Shakuni was Dwapar's incarnation. And we all know about Jay-Vijay. So all people in the story of Ram/Krishna were either Demi-Gods or were bound with Vishnu through tie of love & eternal devotion. So I don't feel any special importance is needed to be given to relationship of father-son in Vishnu's incarnation (I mean relatively not absolutely) in comparison with Ram/Krishna's parents, brothers, teachers & friends. Even negative characters like Kans & Shishupal were Krishna's relatives and Shishupal was originally gatekeeper of Vaikunth. Kaariveerya Arjun also like Bharat is said by some source to be Sudarshan chakra's incarnation.

Also all Vishnu's incarnations only had divine bodies with KALAA or aspects 10 or more than 10. Ram had either 12 or 14 kalaas. Krishna had all 16 kalaas. Other incarnations of Vishnu who were anshaavataars or aaveshaavataars had 10 kalaas. Bodies with such powers (possibly inborn tatvasiddhi - control over all 5 elements and powers arising from them e.g. growing, shrinking, disappearing, flying, fire not burning, becoming light or heavy) & divinity couldn't be taken by or were not bearable by any other one. Prajapatis or Manus or Vasus or Indras whoever may be. Kalaas of all other different creatures on earth or heaven or hell or any lok or planet (measurement of ANSH of God in all of us - Measurement of self consciousness of soul - level of chetana shakti - swayam ke swaroop ka gyan aur maya ka prabhaav) - plantation/vegetation, birds & animals, primitive humans, cultured social humans, intellectually genius/extremely talented/powerful/influencing/skillful humans, divine sages & great noble messengers of God and devataas/demigods - range from 1 to 9. Source of this information is SK's Sandipani lessons to Krishna.

Edited by ShivangBuch - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: -RamSitaKiDasi-



thanx for the information bhaiyya !!

did duryodhan die before or after the massacre? and there were no battles after that?

also what happened to indraprastha when dharmraj became king? mahabharat mentions that he ruled hastinapur, so does that mean he abandoned indraprastha or did he merge it back into hastinapur? or did the other pandavs rule indraprashta?


Duryodhana had been mortally wounded by Bhima during the mace fight and was barely alive when the trio of Ashwathama Kripacharya and Kritavarma approached him and announced the complete wipe out of the Pandava army. Duryodhana just about managed to gather enough strength to congratulate Ashwathama saying he had achieved what Bhishma and Karna and Drona could not do. Duryodhana was especially glad to hear the deaths of Drishtadyumna and Shikhandin. Wishing them luck and prosperity and expressing the hope to meet them in heaven, Duryodhana breathes his last.

There were no battles after that except for the Arjuna-Ashwathama encounter.

Regarding Indrarastha, it did merge with Hastinapur. Srimad Bhagavatham mentions that after the Yadava Fratricide, Arjuna bought Krishna's great grandson, Vajra to Indraprastha and crowned him king of Yadavas.



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Posted: 12 years ago
One more Doubts & Discussions thread has been added in the DkDM forum dedicated to Lord Shiva


Originally posted by: .Vrish.

All members are invited to make their daily observations and discussions about any questions they might have about different characters and events in Hindu mythology in this thread.

Many of us may have doubts on Hindu mythology or may get doubts as we learn more. Instead of spawning several threads to discuss those, we can discuss it here. However, if a question is a pretty major one, like 'Why did Krishna choose not to be a combatant in the Mahabharat war despite being an unmatched warrior', or 'Does Shiva's marriage to Parvati after Sati's demise imply that re-marriage is okay', such topics would deserve their own threads. But questions like 'Why is Indra the ruler of the Devas despite Surya being the eldest son of Aditi' or 'How did Ashwathama & Kripacharya become immortal' do belong here. (Note that these are just examples used here for illustration purposes)

Note that we have in the past done this pretty exhaustively in the Ramayan, in these 3 threads

Ramayan Daily Discussion thread

Doubts & Discussions from the Ramayan - I
Doubts and Discussions from the Ramayan II
If the question you have is from the Ramayan, you're still welcome to discuss it here, but chances are that it's already been addressed there, so if possible, do take a look there b4 repeating that same question here.

One thing to note - in Hindu literature, there are diverse texts that often have contradictory and conflicting accounts of the same events. For instance, in Valmiki Ramayan, there is no mention of any Lakshman rekha, but in Tulsidas Ramcharitra Manas, there is. So while discussing these, we prefer that one just states the source for any account that you are giving - whether it's the original texts themselves, something written by C Rajagopalacharya or even the Amar Chitra Katha that you may have lying around. But please do not weigh in on whether you think version X is more authentic or accurate than version Y, even though it may well be. We hope that the discussions remain objective and healthy and that forum rules are abided by when making posts of your viewpoints.

This will always remain in the Forum Announcements section so that you are free to keep coming back to this thread at any time to make your ideas heard. Hope to see lots of interesting and engaging thoughts and deliberations.

Enjoy Discussing!

Thanks !!

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Posted: 12 years ago
I have a question about the mythological interpretation of eclipses.

We know that after the Samudra manthan, when Vishnu beheaded Rahu/Ketu, Rahu, the head, would always try and devour the sun, and since his neck was open, the sun would come out again, and this was what was used to explain solar eclipses.

So my question - are Rahu or Ketu @ all involved in lunar eclipses, or is there some other mythological explanation as to why they happen? This question hit me from something on pg 12 of the DkDM Doubts & discussions about Shiva linked in the previous post, but since this ain't a Shiva question, I posted it here.
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

I have a question about the mythological interpretation of eclipses.


We know that after the Samudra manthan, when Vishnu beheaded Rahu/Ketu, Rahu, the head, would always try and devour the sun, and since his neck was open, the sun would come out again, and this was what was used to explain solar eclipses.

So my question - are Rahu or Ketu @ all involved in lunar eclipses, or is there some other mythological explanation as to why they happen? This question hit me from something on pg 12 of the DkDM Doubts & discussions about Shiva linked in the previous post, but since this ain't a Shiva question, I posted it here.



if u dont mind my answering ur ques , i can explain u the phenomena th eway my bro explained it to me:

Rahu as per indian mythology is a mythical character that is characterized as a demon with a human head and snake body. It is grouped along with the planets when it comes to getting categorized. This grouping is not arbitrary. Rahu is not a celestial object but is a celestial nodal point.


Let me explain this. The moon's orbit around the earth is in a plane that is slightly tilted against the plane of the earth's orbit around the sun. Hence most of the time the moon is slightly away from the line connecting the sun and the earth. That is why every full moon or new moon doesnt form an eclipse. However when the moon happens to be at one of the two nodal points where its orbit cuts the earth-sun plane, and it happens to be a new or full moon, it will come directly in the line connecting the earth and sun and we have an eclipse. Whether this turns out to be a Lunar or Solar eclipse depends on whether the moon is behind or in front of the earth at that time.


Rahu is nothing but one of these two nodal points (Ketu in fact is the other nodal point). One point is when moon is moving from the northern celestial sphere to the southern celestial sphere and the other point is when moon is moving in the opposite direction. Notably mythological Ketu is Rahu's converse image with snake head and human body and rahu is vice versa. Whenever you have an eclipse Indian almanacs show moon and rahu/ketu in the same position which is nothing but moon being at one of the nodal points without which an eclipse cannot happen. Now you know the story behind Rahu gobbling up the sun. This story after all was meant as a way to explain a complex astronomical phenomenon in a simple manner to the general public.
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Posted: 12 years ago
I was watching devo ke dev Mahadev today for the first time

It is shown that Sati devi is celebrationg Tulsi Shaligraam wedding

But as far as I know Tulsi shaligram story has happened after Shiv Parvati vivah

As Jalhandar (Vrinda AKA Tulsi's husband) wanted to marry Parvati and hence a fight broke out between Shiv and Jalhandar . The fight was not getting to a conclusion and hence Parrvati summoned Sre Vishnu and sought his help

Please help clarify this

here is a verse from sree Vishnu Chalisaa

Check this link for Vishnu chalisaa


at 5.43

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Posted: 12 years ago
bhas1066

Thanks for explaining that to me. Yeah, someone else once gave me the same explanation for Rahu-Ketu as the nodal points of intersection of the sun's orbit around the earth* and the moon's orbit around the earth, and that Rahu & Ketu were the intersection points of the 2 orbits.

However, my question was that for a lunar eclipse - where you have the earth b/w the sun & moon, what's the explanation? Or do these theories treat solar & lunar eclipses the same way?

* This one was somewhat tough to visualize, since it goes by the Ptolmeic, rather than the Copernican model of astronomy. It's true that one can define the earth as a frame of reference for either, but when you have a stationary frame of reference (earth to moon) vs a rotational frame of reference (earth to sun), it's all the more difficult, particularly since the distances from earth to sun vs earth to moon are completely different, so if one overlaid the rotational planes of both, they would coincide on a straight line, not two points. Note that here, I'm not trying to dismiss ancient astronomy w/ classical Copernican or Newtonian astronomy, but rather, try and figure out on what basis was the radius of the 'sun's orbit' and the moon's orbit were such that they'd coincide @ 2 points.
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