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Posted: 3 years ago
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Finally I was able to catch up on the last two episodes and how beautifully they gave an insight to all three characters.

Well, Aditya's anger is legendary, is no surprise to anyone but he is also a person who does not keep anything inside him. He will let the other person know what is making him angry, not in a explicit way but its always there. If the person address his grievances in a logical way, its calms him down. In all his fights with Imlie, she has always first listened to his grievances and then given him an explanation or an insight or made him look at things in a different way, which reluctantly though, has calmed him down. Hence, their fights are always done and dusted with in that moment itself.

With Malini, he did the same thing. In his rant, he told her about all his grievances, insecurity, his fear that she might force him to separate from his family but Malini did not get it. She did not address any of it and she was stuck only on the car issue. If she could have connected the dots and just told him that she does not need anything, only him, things would have been resolved there and then and they would be back to being a normal couple. But, Malini who cannot handle confrontations, went to resolve the immediate problem instead of the elephant in the room. With her mother too, when it became too much, she just burst out crying. This whole incident really brought out the fact that, she at the core is not at all an emotionally strong person. She cannot handle confrontations, sadness, panic nor anything that has the potential of destroying the happy bubble around her. This very character trait of hers is going to be big hurdle in the future for Aditya and Imlie, because as they showed, on the other side, that as soon as, Aditya was heaped with a ton of guilt, he forgot all his anger, fear, insecurity, and was only focused on making amends. Basically, what I am saying is that, that the guilt for Aditya is always going to overshadow everything and we are going to witness this time and again in near future especially when his hearts starts opening up to Imlie.

But swapping everything under the carpet is not a solution to any relationship problem. It is going to raise its ugly head soon and how soon will depend on AC. It also showed that not only Malini does not know her man, she does not even know her mother. In her innocence or should I say blindness, she went and gave her mother such a big weapon i.e. an insight to Aditya's insecurity and if she thinks, her mother is not going to use it against Aditya, she is just very naΓ―ve. Methinks she should just buckle herself for another similar fight.

Well, the best part of me was the line that Aditya's brother said ki "Tere gusse ko woh akele sambhal nahi payegi". Little does he know that there is one person who had many times handled his anger without flinching and has time and again managed to calmed it down. We see that in the very next scene with the poem and what a beautiful poem it was but for me it was a glimpse of Imlie's subconscious mind. It was a picture of all her feelings, her inner thoughts, her misgivings and her view on her husband. Till date, they have just showed her going with the flow, suppressing her feelings and soothing everyone including her husband's ruffled feathers. I think that’s because, somewhere she holds herself responsible for this marriage. Yes, they both were victims but it was Imlie who first gave the consent to this marriage. Aditya was Ok dying but Imlie's consent sealed their fate and he has made her aware of this fact. I feel this is the guilt she has been carrying and hence she has tolerated his taunts and his attitude towards this marriage but still every girl dreams about a Prince Charming and Aditya has been anything but the epitome of perfection. The poem was the insight of what kind of her husband she wished for and what she has got. Instead of a man who brings flowers and gifts she has got a man who is always angry and blames her for every mistake even though she is innocent. The hug was her subconscious wish and also showed how simple Imlie is. She does not need stars, moon, flowers or gift, only a simple sorry and his acceptance. Very Very beautifully done.πŸ‘

Also, I do not think these are her active thoughts, but because that poem and the dream was so instinctively done without any forethought, it brought out the fact that these are her subconscious thoughts and feelings about her husband. One thing, though that was again reiterated was that, that though Imlie is not in love with him, she has accepted Aditya as her husband for life. This is her upbringing and nobody can take his place in spite of his behavior and circumstances, at least at this moment.

I will end it with this that even though Imlie, using her own special method and has succeeded in doing the patch up and it was reluctantly accepted by Malini, in the long run, if this continues it might give rise to a feeling of initial resentment in Aditya and a feeling of insecurity/hatred in Malini as they both will slowly realize that his soulmate and the person who understand him the most is not who they thought it was.


PS: Thank you for you comment on the comparison, it was so very much needed. Though the base of the story is same, it is still a different story, almost like we have Cindrella but then there are so many different unique versions of the same story and each can be enjoyed independently. I think we should just let the CVs tell their own story about Imlie because it might very well turned out to be the best version of all the similar stories currently there.

Edited by pamk06 - 3 years ago
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Posted: 3 years ago
#82

Originally posted by: pamk06

Well, the best part of me was the line that Aditya's brother said ki "Tere gusse ko woh akele sambhal nahi payegi". Little does he know that there is one person who had many times handled his anger without flinching and has time and again managed to calmed it down.


We see that in the very next scene with the poem and what a beautiful poem it was but for me it was a glimpse of Imlie's subconscious mind. It was a picture of all her feelings, her inner thoughts, her misgivings and her view on her husband. Till date, they have just showed her going with the flow, suppressing her feelings and soothing everyone including her husband's ruffled feathers. I think that’s because, somewhere she holds herself responsible for this marriage. Yes, they both were victims but it was Imlie who first gave the consent to this marriage. Aditya was Ok dying but Imlie's consent sealed their fate and he has made her aware of this fact. I feel this is the guilt she has been carrying and hence she has tolerated his taunts and his attitude towards this marriage but still every girl dreams about a Prince Charming and Aditya has been anything but the epitome of perfection. The poem was the insight of what kind of her husband she wished for and what she has got. Instead of a man who brings flowers and gifts she has got a man who is always angry and blames her for every mistake even though she is innocent. The hug was her subconscious wish and also showed how simple Imlie is. She does not need stars, moon, flowers or gift, only a simple sorry and his acceptance. Very Very beautifully done.πŸ‘

Also, I do not think these are her active thoughts, but because that poem and the dream was so instinctively done without any forethought, it brought out the fact that these are her her subconscious thoughts and feelings about her husband. One thing, though that was again reiterated was that, that though Imlie is not in love with him, she has accepted Aditya as her husband for life. This is her upbringing and nobody can take his place in spite of his behavior and circumstances, at least at this moment.

I will end it with this that even though Imlie, using her own special method, has succeeded in doing the patch up and it was reluctantly accepted by Malini, in the long run, if this continues it might give rise to a feeling of initial resentment in Aditya and a feeling of insecurity/hatred in Malini as they both will slowly realize that his soulmate and the person who understand him the most is not who they thought it was.


PS: Thank you for you comment on the comparison, it was so very much needed. Though the base of the story is same, it is still a different story, almost like we have Cindrella but then there are so many different unique versions of the same story and each can enjoyed independently. I think we should just let the CVs tell their own story about Imlie because it might very well turned out to be the best version of all the similar stories currently there.


What a lovely, lovely analysis, PamπŸ‘πŸ‘.....absolutely loved reading the whole thing.


But if I had to pick out one bit in particular, I'd focus on the bold....as you beautifully pointed out the beauty in Imlie's simplicity. This is a girl with simple dreams/wishes in life....she has no need for anything fancy....a simple word of meaning, of appreciation is bigger than any expensive gifts for her. I'm also struck by the fact that Aditya too is someone who isn't one for romantic gestures, as Malini constantly tells him reproachfully.....so I find it all the more interesting that both him and Imlie are so deeply moved by the simplest of gestures and words. They both share the same common rooted simple soul despite the different upbringings and backgrounds......and that is why their connection is being forged in such an instinctual and organic way. It is not dependent on having common backgrounds or having been to the same events/college etc. like Adi-Malini.....it comes from a deeper core inside both of them, that is why it is superseding the relationship that was built simply on being in a common space for 7 years.


Re: Imlie's interjection in AM's patchup....yes, I do suspect if Imlie keeps repeating this, Adi will definitely resent it and may again lash out at her.....but I'm more intrigued to see how Malini processes this in the coming days.....ultimately Imlie would just be a scapegoat....they have to recognize the fault-lines in their relationship independent of that.


Re: your last paragraph....Haha dare I say, I also finally lost my temper like AdiπŸ˜†.....anyways, I loved what you said about this version....let us hope indeed it turns out to be the best one yet because we are enjoying the journey so far😊.....and since I have no idea about the other versions, I'd rather enjoy this one for itself.

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Posted: 3 years ago
#83

Finally caught up on this amazing thread. @AreYaar I thoroughly enjoy each and every one of your posts. I don't feel the need to create separate threads anymore because I know you'll already have a lovely discussion of the episode going. The positivity & depth of thought is such a breath of fresh air. πŸ‘


I'm happy with the way the show is going now. I'm even enjoying watching Adini because they've stopped keeping them so 1 dimentional. That was the only reason I used to have an issue with Malini as a character. I wanted to see other shades to her and for her character to start being entertaining even if she does pose as an obvious obstacle to Adilie. With the last 3 episodes, the writers have finally started striking the right balance between the two main pairings.


Finally the Adini rose tinted glasses have been removed and we're seeing the cracks in their relationship. This cosy 7 year old relationship is basically devoid of any real understanding and is ready to crumble at the very first sign of trouble. They might keep verbally parroting how similar their tastes are and how they understand each other so well but that could not be further from the truth as these last few episodes have unequivocally proven. They don't know how to resolve their conflicts and it comes from deep-rooted difference in upbringing. Adi comes from a loving family that is so open with their emotions in every circumstance whereas Malini comes from a family with deep secrets and lack of healthy conflict resolution. This is why Malini crumbles at the first sign of conflict and chooses to gloss things over with her sweetness. Adi obviously adapted himself to her during their 7 years together and in essence kept his emotions in line with hers which is unnatural for him.


That is until Imlie came into his life. Imlie presents a challenge to the REAL Adi. The Adi that is not passive with his emotions. He's unable to remain composed and even questions why he becomes someone else when she's in front of him. He is yet to fully understand that the person he is with her IS his true self that has been kept buried for so long. With her, there are no shackles around his emotions. He's able to just BE and in large part because Imlie has the strength to withstand his stormy words and in return strikes lightning to his heart with her responses. That is why they are able to move forward after a fiery confrontation. This "nakli rishta" has more realness.


Adi could say Moon's the one for him til he's blue in the face but the pull Imlie has on him is too strong. Loved how that single "Babusaheb" was enough to stop him in his tracks as he walked away from Malini and his family. I choked on my chai when he kept gushing over Imlie's poem to the point of saying it had more depth of love without even mentioning the word "love" than all of the "I love yous" Malini has accumulated over 7 years. πŸ˜† I'm so excited for the inevitable moment when he finds out that the words that touched his heart to such an extent belonged to none other than his Jhalli who is now going through a brand new realisation she is unable to fathom. It'll be fun to watch how she behaves around him now. I think at first she'll dismiss that daydream as a stand-alone moment of madness and will try to continue to act like herself but ofcourse her heart will have different ideas...so her next option would be to avoid being around him (I reaaally wish for this cos I imagine Adi won't like that one bit πŸ˜†).


Also how will Malini handle things now that she is obviously irked by the fact that Imlie's words were enough to calm Adi's anger when she failed in all her attempts? I agree with you that there'll be more and more similar situations which will cause Anu's warnings/suspicions against Imlie to start echoing in Malini's ears. Malini's storyline is finally interesting. I don't even mind if Adini go on their honeymoon now that I know just how hollow their relationship actually is. πŸ˜ˆπŸ˜›πŸ˜†

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Posted: 3 years ago
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Originally posted by: Guiltyo0o

I am amazed that a lot of you think Milani took credit for the poem without guilt 🀭


She was sad during the makeup scene, she didn't replay to any family member when they talked about the poem!


She was uncomfortable with all of that, even with Adi, She was all over him trying to pacify him and talk to him, After the poem she was not comfortable with him, her eyes, her body language, how she told him to go change and she left to see Imlie!

She didn't claim once that the poem her writing, she just didn't say I'm not the one!


Lies aren't always verbalised. She lied by omission. I also don't think she felt guilty over allowing Adi to believe the lie and therefore reaping the benefit of reconciling with him. She was more disturbed by the fact that Imlie came up with those words which had more of an impact on her husband on the spot.

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Posted: 3 years ago
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Originally posted by: AreYaar


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Again, I'm LEAST interested in hearing what happened in which regional version. And I'm also LEAST interested in lame freakouts over every Adi-Malini scene.


Adi ko toh milta nahin, kaash humein thoda SUKOON mil sakta to discuss the actual show rather than reading the same rants about comparisons to the regional versions all dayπŸ˜†.


The comparisons are lost on me cos I'm just like "The only Archi(e) I know lives in Riverdale" πŸ˜†

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Posted: 3 years ago
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Originally posted by: Snazzy_Naz


The comparisons are lost on me cos I'm just like "The only Archi(e) I know lives in Riverdale" πŸ˜†


🀣🀣 Ok this one was just too goodπŸ˜†.


I enjoy reading your reviews too, Naz :) Thank you for providing positivity and analysis in this forum as well :)


The story has taken an interesting turn in the last few epis so the week ended on a high.....but I'm telling myself to keep my expectations for next week low either way.....maybe we will be pleasantly surprised again *fingers crossed*πŸ˜†

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Posted: 3 years ago
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Originally posted by: Snazzy_Naz


Lies aren't always verbalised. She lied by omission. I also don't think she felt guilty over allowing Adi to believe the lie and therefore reaping the benefit of reconciling with him. She was more disturbed by the fact that Imlie came up with those words which had more of an impact on her husband on the spot.


I agree with this.....Lying by omission is still lying. Also, it's more striking to see this from Malini because so far in the story, she has been put up on a pedestal, first by Adi and then later by Imlie because she's been sweet and kind to everyone.....but this is the first time she allowed a lie to continue because she got the result she wanted of Adi making up with her.


To her credit, atleast she didn't initiate the lie.....Imlie started it, but allowing the lie to continue, even after hearing Adi gushing so much over the poem....that's where it went into more selfish/grey territory. I can understand to some extent why she didn't tell the truth just then because she was so upset over Adi not talking to her.....but what was surprising was seeing her more fixated on Imlie coming up with such a poem rather than being more happy about Adi coming back to her.


It kind of reminded me of that one scene in PD when Adi gives a lecture to Imlie's classmates about the nature of truth and how it prevails eventually.....even if someone hides the truth, the truth still wins because the lies corrode the person who speaks them from inside. Adi was referring ofcourse to his own situation about having to lie to Malini and his family.....but now as Malini also joins the group of people who are lying/guilt tripping in the story, she will face some impacts of this too.


Imlie told an innocent white lie to bring two people together...it was a selfless lie originally.....but the lie took on a larger, more selfish life as Malini allowed it to continue feeding a delusion from her husband.....ultimately it will all come to fruition in some form.

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Posted: 3 years ago
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Originally posted by: Snazzy_Naz


The comparisons are lost on me cos I'm just like "The only Archi(e) I know lives in Riverdale" πŸ˜†


They did a serious version of the legendary archie comics called riverdale on cbs here in the us. Can you believe it? Who can forget the iconic archie, betty, jughead and Veronica. They are truly iconic.

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Posted: 3 years ago
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Originally posted by: Snazzy_Naz

I'm so excited for the inevitable moment when he finds out that the words that touched his heart to such an extent belonged to none other than his Jhalli who is now going through a brand new realisation she is unable to fathom. It'll be fun to watch how she behaves around him now. I think at first she'll dismiss that daydream as a stand-alone moment of madness and will try to continue to act like herself but ofcourse her heart will have different ideas...so her next option would be to avoid being around him (I reaaally wish for this cos I imagine Adi won't like that one bit πŸ˜†).


Also how will Malini handle things now that she is obviously irked by the fact that Imlie's words were enough to calm Adi's anger when she failed in all her attempts? I agree with you that there'll be more and more similar situations which will cause Anu's warnings/suspicions against Imlie to start echoing in Malini's ears. Malini's storyline is finally interesting. I don't even mind if Adini go on their honeymoon now that I know just how hollow their relationship actually is. πŸ˜ˆπŸ˜›πŸ˜†


LOL and that's the whole point....how does a honeymoon even matter when their relationship has been proven so hollow. This is why I say that reacting to every Adi-Malini scene as some indication of writers favoring them doesn't really make sense.....pretty much every Adi-Malini scene either showcases the cracks in their relationship or it shows either Adi or Malini thinking about ImlieπŸ˜†.....so it's clear that the larger build up is always towards Adi-Imlie.....if only people don't keep viewing every scene on the basis of how much "romance" is being shown on one couple or the other. This story is not about token romance.....it's about Destiny shaping a relationship in the face of long odds.


Re: Imlie....haha yes our mad hatter is going to be confused about these daydreams....she has dismissed this terrace daydream for now....if the daydreams increase in frequency in the coming days, that's when things will get more funπŸ˜†.....depends on how slow/fast the writers want to take it.....but yes, our Imliya is definitely on the path of falling hardπŸ˜†. Meanwhile oblivious Babusahib will also have no idea what's gotten into herπŸ˜†

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Posted: 3 years ago
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Originally posted by: AreYaar


What a lovely, lovely analysis, PamπŸ‘πŸ‘.....absolutely loved reading the whole thing.


But if I had to pick out one bit in particular, I'd focus on the bold....as you beautifully pointed out the beauty in Imlie's simplicity. This is a girl with simple dreams/wishes in life....she has no need for anything fancy....a simple word of meaning, of appreciation is bigger than any expensive gifts for her. I'm also struck by the fact that Aditya too is someone who isn't one for romantic gestures, as Malini constantly tells him reproachfully.....so I find it all the more interesting that both him and Imlie are so deeply moved by the simplest of gestures and words. They both share the same common rooted simple soul despite the different upbringings and backgrounds......and that is why their connection is being forged in such an instinctual and organic way. It is not dependent on having common backgrounds or having been to the same events/college etc. like Adi-Malini.....it comes from a deeper core inside both of them, that is why it is superseding the relationship that was built simply on being in a common space for 7 years.


Re: Imlie's interjection in AM's patchup....yes, I do suspect if Imlie keeps repeating this, Adi will definitely resent it and may again lash out at her.....but I'm more intrigued to see how Malini processes this in the coming days.....ultimately Imlie would just be a scapegoat....they have to recognize the fault-lines in their relationship independent of that.


Re: your last paragraph....Haha dare I say, I also finally lost my temper like AdiπŸ˜†.....anyways, I loved what you said about this version....let us hope indeed it turns out to be the best one yet because we are enjoying the journey so far😊.....and since I have no idea about the other versions, I'd rather enjoy this one for itself.


Seriously right, who cares about the second male lead, or what Archi and Baha did or what happened in the Malalayam version. I have not seen them and I have no interest of seeing them.

For me whats working is that finally there is an ITV show, which is using situations and circumstances to develop a relationship organically rather than flying duppatas, feet slipping (how many times can a person fall), eye locks and the rest of the boring romantic stuff.... I have signed up for a slow burn romance developed in a sensible way with an interesting story and it’s staying true to the form so far. So, I would just like to watch it and enjoy it without any spoilers or comparisons.


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