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shreya

@.Lilith.

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Posted: 7 years ago

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As I'm too lazy to type, I'll just reply in one post as to where does my problem lie with the show (especially to @prem_diwani and @adoremevirgo).

Unlike many in this forum who started watching the show either for Param or Niti, I started watching the show for the content that was promised through articles and trailers.

And then started the series of disappointments...

1. Rangeela's entry and the death of Commandos. Illogical as hell even if I apply my suspension of disbelief, that was completely idiotic more than impossible. Too many filmy instances and too OTT for my liking.

2. Rangeela's character justification- like I've mentioned in many of my previous posts, he is a well-treated dog in the Chaudhary khandaan. He is given occasional treats in form of money or acknowledgement when his master is happy and then abused when he's not. It is not a privilege, it's a necessity to keep a slave faithful towards his master. Veer and his father have more sense than to keep abusing him, knowing that an abused slave is always more likely to keep a resentment in his heart and strike back when he gets the chance.

What I do not understand, like most, is his reasoning behind killing innocent people for his master. Like Mamaji, even the Commandos were innocent. They came to B'pur for legit reasons. I don't know if it was him who killed them, but he still has their blood on his hands!

3. Shivani- I have tried my best to justify whatever she does and no, I do not expect her to become a tigress overnight...all I asked was some self-respect from her side, regardless of how she's been brought up. Also, the problem is that Niti is being wasted here. I have seen first hand as to how she perfectly nails emotional scenes. They are her forte! When Nandini cried on-screen, I cried along with her (and mind you, I'm a tough nut to crack). It was solely due to the context of the emotional scenes and the correct dosage.

Shivani cries and I go "not again". Somehow, the crying has been overdosed and there's zero context! I can't feel her helplessness, I feel bad for Rashmi but Shivani's helpless scenes annoy me.

4. Veer- like I've mentioned, he's pretty bipolar. It's tough to guess what's going on in his mind. That being said, he's the only character that's showing promise now. Maldawali, for all my guesses turned out to be phuss bomb.

5. The saas-bahu torture! The last thing I expected from this show were typical saas-bahu scenes! They're ANNOYING with a capital A! Show us some meaningful scenes between Rangeela and Shivani, give us RanVeer scenes, show us Rangeela's monologue...I'm all for it.

But all I get is Gulguli doing comedy circus with her bahus!

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@Beautiful...

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Posted: 7 years ago

#12

Ha ha dear well said gulguli comedy circus with her bahus. 🤣

I too want more Shivani and rangeela scenes. And more of rangeelas inner feelings and emotions.

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serendipitous

@serendipitous

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Posted: 7 years ago

#13

I understand what prem_diwani and adoremevirgo are saying.

But it doesn't take long with a slow pace and loose script for TRPs to drop and the show getting pulled out.

Here's to better content and direction!😛

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Liana

@Lianaa

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Posted: 7 years ago

#14

Hello everyone,

nice Posts. I really agree with all of you. I still ask myself why the hell I've started watching the show.
Obviously, the big reason was Param but then for the show's storyline. After watching first promo, I felt interested in this show but that was not enough making me watch this show. After watching the 2nd or 3rd Promo (I forgot which one it was). The one were guys take a girl and ask Rangeela to take her to Veer. But the dialouge which Rangeela gave was the limit of my interest.😆 He said that he won't touch any girl or harm any girl. Despite of being a Ghulaam, he said this in the promo. I actually loved it so gave it a try as I already knew Param and Niti, so there was nothing against watching the show. But then the show started and I've watched it, disappointment to disappointment!! The entry of Rangeele was too filmy. But the reason why I can't stop watching the show is, have you noticed, whenever something bad happens (for example: first episode), Veer asks where Rangeela is. More than 11 men of Veer got murdered by the commandos and Veer couldn't do anything without Rangeela. Whenever a big decision has to be taken, Veer asks Rangeela first what to do. Sometime I feel Rangeela is the one who leads the people in Behrampur. 😆 I don't think Veer can do anything without Rangeela and this is the point which Rangeela can use. There must be something else behind this that Rangeela takes Veer as his God.
I still don't understand what Rangeela thought when he brought mamaji to Behrampur. I can't think bad about Rangeela that's why I try to think why he may bring mamaji to behrampur but I can't find any reason than torture. I thought Veer has atleast a small thin heart but besides of well trained body he nothing. He knows that mamaji is sick... if he would have had a too small heart or brain, he wouldn't have do that to mamaji. This is over the limit. If he would have raped Shivani I wouldn't be that mad at him but this really sickk what he did.
But still.. I think the people who started watching the show for it's storyline only have already quit the show and now only the real fans of Param or Niti are bearing this sick drama.🥱

I wanted to write more but I guess this is enough.🥱

-- Violetta.

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Aditi

@adoremevirgo

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Posted: 7 years ago

#15

Originally posted by: .Lilith.

As I'm too lazy to type, I'll just reply in one post as to where does my problem lie with the show (especially to @prem_diwani and @adoremevirgo).

Unlike many in this forum who started watching the show either for Param or Niti, I started watching the show for the content that was promised through articles and trailers.

And then started the series of disappointments...

1. Rangeela's entry and the death of Commandos. Illogical as hell even if I apply my suspension of disbelief, that was completely idiotic more than impossible. Too many filmy instances and too OTT for my liking.

2. Rangeela's character justification- like I've mentioned in many of my previous posts, he is a well-treated dog in the Chaudhary khandaan. He is given occasional treats in form of money or acknowledgement when his master is happy and then abused when he's not. It is not a privilege, it's a necessity to keep a slave faithful towards his master. Veer and his father have more sense than to keep abusing him, knowing that an abused slave is always more likely to keep a resentment in his heart and strike back when he gets the chance.

What I do not understand, like most, is his reasoning behind killing innocent people for his master. Like Mamaji, even the Commandos were innocent. They came to B'pur for legit reasons. I don't know if it was him who killed them, but he still has their blood on his hands!

3. Shivani- I have tried my best to justify whatever she does and no, I do not expect her to become a tigress overnight...all I asked was some self-respect from her side, regardless of how she's been brought up. Also, the problem is that Niti is being wasted here. I have seen first hand as to how she perfectly nails emotional scenes. They are her forte! When Nandini cried on-screen, I cried along with her (and mind you, I'm a tough nut to crack). It was solely due to the context of the emotional scenes and the correct dosage.

Shivani cries and I go "not again". Somehow, the crying has been overdosed and there's zero context! I can't feel her helplessness, I feel bad for Rashmi but Shivani's helpless scenes annoy me.

4. Veer- like I've mentioned, he's pretty bipolar. It's tough to guess what's going on in his mind. That being said, he's the only character that's showing promise now. Maldawali, for all my guesses turned out to be phuss bomb.

5. The saas-bahu torture! The last thing I expected from this show were typical saas-bahu scenes! They're ANNOYING with a capital A! Show us some meaningful scenes between Rangeela and Shivani, give us RanVeer scenes, show us Rangeela's monologue...I'm all for it.

But all I get is Gulguli doing comedy circus with her bahus!

quite a long post by someone who is lazy to type 😆

nywyz this show overall does not seem much promising...even with the content they promised us before launch i was not much happy...there is really nothing much to show in this story...its about a ghulam who is kept like a paltu kutta who is made to marry a girl for his master...

as soon as ghulam's conscience will wake there will be nothing left to show except either how he escapes with his wife or takes revenge on this family...thatz all...

and this story has all the elements of boredom...because if ghulam's conscience is not awakened soon even after shivani has to go thru such tortures then the character will become irredeemable...

as for the first epi where commandos were killed i totally ignored the complete lack of logic there and just saw it as a land which is supposed to have no reham as the name suggests even on innocent ppl...i did not let the first episode cloud my judgement of the show because as i explained i never had any high hopes on this show as such...

as for rangeela's character no use trying to find justification in his unreasonable loyalty toward a master who can make him do all the sins of the world...the show is after all about his insane ghulami and if this we cant accept then y watch the show at all...but yes there shud be a strong back story to support this ghulami and since it is not yet been shown so i dont want to presume that they wont try to justify the character...i mean no back story will make sense for rangeela to commit crimes in the name of ghulami but at least it shud show us some light why his mind is shaped like that of a slave...

ok now shivani...yes she cant become a tigress overnite...as for self-respect...wat is she supposed to do among these ppl who can kill her or put her into coma at any gvn chance...she is totally helpless and defenceless here with only a spineless man as her husband...but still it is her strong will to protect herself from veer that i hv already explained in my post she has not been dragged to bed by him yet...

as for overdose of crying although that is irritating but i guess in this situation she can hardly do anything else...

and i agree with u about veer as the only promising character in this show...this show can go 2 ways...either ghulam's conscience will strike and he will escape with his wife or he may come to know that his parents were killed by this family and so even then he will escape with his wife; and the second scenario can be is that veer too will fall in love with shivani at the same time wen rangeela's conscience will strike...now that will make rangeela's decision more difficult...will he escape with his wife or will he sacrifice his wife for his master...currently he is not sacrificing since he doesnt believe himself as her husband...but wen conscience will strike he will also realize that he is in love with shivani and so if veer to fall in love with her there will be question of sacrifice...i think thatz where the story will be heading...

nywyz overall i am keeping low expectations and so my level of disappointment is also very low...as for logic i do not expect any since the main storyline of blind ghulami does not exist today...

finally u talked saas-bahu yes even that part i agree...i really do not think gulguli has any role in this story...matter of fact i dont think any other character except veer-shivani-rangeela has anything to contribute to this story...

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kany

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Posted: 7 years ago

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I agree with you: I hate Veer!😡

The show is reduced only to the harshness and brutality again, but I feel bad of roughness.

Veer is a savage and his whole family.

That he and his family were normal, the whole troop psychiatrists there would have work.😆

Rangeela blindly loves his master, his life would be sacrificed for him.

Lunatic!

Rangeela has two effects on themselves, a good influence of the family with which he lives and bad, of Veer and his family.

Good and bad, just take turns in it, and it's driving me crazy.

The plot of the series would already have to take greater development and not just to look, brutality, fight, cry and again all over again.

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Batool M

@.Rangeeli.

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Posted: 7 years ago

#17

Great post!
I totally agree with you. Almost all promos for
Ghulaam made viewers think the tale would focus in general on Rangeela's ghulaami, but its all about Shivani crying ( I know she's been through a lot, but har baat par rona zaroori hai??). The makers should explore RanVeer's bond. I'm pretty sure they are people like me really badly wanting to know more about them and why Rangeela is so loyal. I love both Niti and Param that's why I'm still watching it.

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danceismyworld

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Posted: 7 years ago

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Shelly😊

I would be very honest! You actually expected a little too much from Indian television! I respect your opinion but i don't think that the show has delivered something else! yeah, some tracks are stretched and makers are delaying the start of main story! Execution is problem not the story! there is too much focus on proving how Rangeela is khaas being a Ghulaam which is not coming out on screens! There is too much focus on proving how he has a good heart despite being ghulaam! It was very much okay to show this arc but i think it is focused little too much and it is sounding like spoon feeding! and If it keeps on going like this, Rangeela's character would actually become irredeemable owing to his actions! They are trying to pull off two contrasting arcs where at one end, they don't wanna miss showing Rangeela's never faulting loyalty towards veer whereas on other side, they find it necessary to mention how Rangeela has a good side. That can only confuse audience!

I don't find any issues in character of Veer and Shivani! Both are true to their characteristics! Veer isn't bipolar but a control freak who is a spoil brat and wants to have control on everyone be it rangeela or be it shivani! His ego gets hurt when Shivani doesn't listen to him and keeps on defeating him by her nature of not giving in! he keeps testing Rangeela time and again to check his loyalty and to get a ego boost that he is in control!

If you remember second episode, How shivani got introduced to us? It was so clearly shown that Shivani is a girl who gets easily scared and cries immediately! I still remember the dialogue, "Hamara rona nikal jaata hai"! We can't expect a girl with this innate trait not to cry! That would be the murder of her basic characteristic! Crying was never an issue for me and never would be as I don't see crying as weakness! I is better to cry and still fight than being numb and accept the fate ( Rashmi)! Shivani had been put into fire , she has seen her Mama ji getting beaten up and after that, she still has the courage to carry on her fight and never give up then crying shouldn't be an issue for anyone! Self Respect is such a big word. I don't think so that out should be in question at first place! It isn't like that doors of berehampur are loose open for her to get away and she is choosing to stay back, There is nothing like that!She isn't being there by choice! She is trying to work each chance she gets to escape and doesn't look like giving up on that!

About her beliefs about wedding, that doesn't make her a devotee or tells about how dutiful she feels about it. She has some poise beliefs about the concept 'Marriage'. Rangeela has apparently filled that place by deception. So this part of her life is being sealed for her. She can't see a way to escape this tie but that doesn't mean she wanna stay back with her husband. She agreed to leave with Rashmi, she had tried to escape earlier, she wanna go away with a fact that Rangeela has groped the place of husband in her life without feeling an obligation to be part of this bluff wedding.

Where there she had said about she doesn't have anywhere to go because we was catering Rashmi's reason to get away. She meant there how someone is waiting for Rashmi out there whereas she doesn't have that someone in that particular context. ( dialogue writing may be poor but her actions are enough to prove her stance) That didn't mean she won't ever escape. Girl has tried it before, she is trying it again and again and she would again do it unless and until she finds a reason to stay back.

So for me, this story has a lot of scope ! I have no issues with Veer and Shivani and I am giving time to character of Rangeela in hope CVS wake up before it gets too late for that character to bounce back!

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chabalas

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Posted: 7 years ago

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About her beliefs about wedding, that doesn't make her a devotee or tells about how dutiful she feels about it. She has some poise beliefs about the concept 'Marriage'. Rangeela has apparently filled that place by deception. So this part of her life is being sealed for her. She can't see a way to escape this tie but that doesn't mean she wanna stay back with her husband. She agreed to leave with Rashmi, she had tried to escape earlier, she wanna go away with a fact that Rangeela has groped the place of husband in her life without feeling an obligation to be part of this bluff wedding.

Where there she had said about she doesn't have anywhere to go because we was catering Rashmi's reason to get away. She meant there how someone is waiting for Rashmi out there whereas she doesn't have that someone in that particular context. ( dialogue writing may be poor but her actions are enough to prove her stance) That didn't mean she won't ever escape. Girl has tried it before, she is trying it again and again and she would again do it unless and until she finds a reason to stay back.

@Disha - You kind of answered my confusion of why Shivani is still sticking to Rangeela and her Pati jhaap 😊

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Khyati8

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Posted: 7 years ago

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Originally posted by: danceismyworld
Shelly😊
I would be very honest! You actually expected a little too much from Indian television!

I wait for that day when it isn't an issue to expect something from indian television. It's a really sorry state that tv industry simply cannot move forward. Wherein we have movies like queen made and some amazing online series somehow our tv industry is still stuck behind. In 90's there were still some shows worth it but now its a vicious circle. I guess my issue with this show is not something that can be worked on. There have been far too many shows like this and by the same team i might add.

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