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Posted: 15 years ago
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Im confused halal food means to say bismiallah and to cut the chicken or meat by the throat mercilessly, yet the HFC allow the animals to be stunned and chickens slaughters manually, it even states that bismallah is not needed to be said

so the question arises how is this exactly halal?
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Oh and can I add that 4 out of the 7ish stores they are opening are all about 15 minutes drive away from me and one only 30 seconds walk from my school lol and believe me, there demands are bound to rise.
Infact a week ago my friend was telling me "Man don't you just love the KFC ads?..too bad they're not halal :(" so yeah quite a demand out there.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: MainEkHasina

Im confused halal food means to say bismiallah and to cut the chicken or meat by the throat mercilessly, yet the HFC allow the animals to be stunned and chickens slaughters manually, it even states that bismallah is not needed to be said

so the question arises how is this exactly halal?

Halal doesn't just mean you have to say bismillah, bismillah should be said before any work then by a muslim, HFA allow stunning of meat because they pick out a clause in the Quran which says that the person butchering the meat must say it, now since the butchering is done by a machine they term it that it isn't neccessary as they can't make the machine 'say' bismillah.
Stunning is also another controversial area of meat being halal which creates a conflict between muslims. Halal means that the animal must be alive and healthy before you slaughter it, now when you stun the animal the animal is alive and healthy but unconcious, here is where you have 2 schools of thought, one says that the animal must also be concious, the other says that that as long as the animal is literally alive and healthy it doesn't matter whether the animal is concious or not.
This is the problem that is arising in which ppl are misinterpreting what KFC are saying, they have clearly stated that they are following guidelines by HFA so ppl with that school of thought do term it as halal, but yes the ppl who follow HMC will not term it as fully halal and at the end of the day it does depend on choice, opinion and interpretation. And I think someone has said on here that British Asian Muslims don't normally care, well I'm sorry to be contradicting but I'm a british muslim myself and all the muslims I know around me who i've grown up with take great care whether the food we're eating is halal or not... that is a very big assumption to say that just because we're living in UK we won't care... Sorry if I sound rude but I just didn't like that statement at all.
Back to the main topic I think it's great and not only opens arms to the broader spectrums of public but also means that KFC will be giving its competitors a hard time that aren't halal like Mc donalds, and as well as probably affect smaller fast food services that were halal...
Great topic... 😉
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: one_ashi

Back to the main topic I think it's great and not only opens arms to the broader spectrums of public but also means that KFC will be giving its competitors a hard time that aren't halal like Mc donalds, and as well as probably affect smaller fast food services that were halal...
Great topic... 😉

In asianly populated areas, hell yeah they will be a much greater demand but let's not forget more than 92% of britain is not asian so it will affect their overall revenue a little, but not a lot. Because the Halal KFC's are mostly in my area, they were in need of some good business but that's cos there's a high population of asians. But about McDonald's, it definitely won't affect their business at all.😛People loveee their McD's even if it is in asian populated areas like mile end, tower hamlets (I swear I will never step foot in that disgusting McD's ever in my life, it's like they sell asian homemade mcflurry, its sickening), the minorities demand for McD's is indeed very high. All branches in London are almost always packed.
Will also say that i'm confused about your halal statement in McD's, there are loadsss of muslims who eat here, is it not halal?😲I;m not talking about british born muslims here, i'm talking about people who have been here just a year or two with young kids, and this isn't rare at all, it is very common. I'll send u the address someday if u wanna check it out😛Same with the mile end branch, that has more asians than any other ethnicity. Are you sure it's not halal?😕
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: hindu4lyf

In asianly populated areas, hell yeah they will be a much greater demand but let's not forget more than 92% of britain is not asian so it will affect their overall revenue a little, but not a lot. Because the Halal KFC's are mostly in my area, they were in need of some good business but that's cos there's a high population of asians. But about McDonald's, it definitely won't affect their business at all.😛People loveee their McD's even if it is in asian populated areas like mile end, tower hamlets (I swear I will never step foot in that disgusting McD's ever in my life, it's like they sell asian homemade mcflurry, its sickening), the minorities demand for McD's is indeed very high. All branches in London are almost always packed.
Will also say that i'm confused about your halal statement in McD's, there are loadsss of muslims who eat here, is it not halal?😲I;m not talking about british born muslims here, i'm talking about people who have been here just a year or two with young kids, and this isn't rare at all, it is very common. I'll send u the address someday if u wanna check it out😛Same with the mile end branch, that has more asians than any other ethnicity. Are you sure it's not halal?😕

Mcd's n KFC's were generally not flourishing these days, because of smaller 'dixy's' opening up that were halal and also at a cheaper rate so not only did muslims but also everyone else start to eat from there, I'm not saying that Mcd will go bust 😉 but i mean comparitively KFC will start to overtake Mcd on the revenue intake which can be very important for the companies in the long run especially since KFC's have started on a variety of menu dishes which includes from salads (which mcd's do) to Panini's and regualr foods like burgers etc and at a much better price...
I believe you, it is common of people who have recently come to UK to be eating at Mcd's, it's saddening really because most of them know that it's not halal and they still eat it, and then ironically the same people generalise and say british born muslims are bad and have forgotton religion and culture... And then when those kids will grow up they will be so used to eating the mcd food that it will be very hard for them to get to grips with the fact that it's not halal and they shouldn't have it... can you really blame those kids for something their parents fed into them since they were small. I live in UK, london so I know what ur talking about and I've seen it myself u don't need to send the address! 😛 And yes I'm a 100% certain that NO Mcd in any area is halal at all. There was a time when they were thinking to go Kosher but that hasn't happenned either... N KFC is only halal on trial in Newham areas not everywhere..
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: one_ashi

Mcd's n KFC's were generally not flourishing these days, because of smaller 'dixy's' opening up that were halal and also at a cheaper rate so not only did muslims but also everyone else start to eat from there, I'm not saying that Mcd will go bust 😉 but i mean comparitively KFC will start to overtake Mcd on the revenue intake which can be very important for the companies in the long run especially since KFC's have started on a variety of menu dishes which includes from salads (which mcd's do) to Panini's and regualr foods like burgers etc and at a much better price...
I believe you, it is common of people who have recently come to UK to be eating at Mcd's, it's saddening really because most of them know that it's not halal and they still eat it, and then ironically the same people generalise and say british born muslims are bad and have forgotton religion and culture... And then when those kids will grow up they will be so used to eating the mcd food that it will be very hard for them to get to grips with the fact that it's not halal and they shouldn't have it... can you really blame those kids for something their parents fed into them since they were small. I live in UK, london so I know what ur talking about and I've seen it myself u don't need to send the address! 😛 And yes I'm a 100% certain that NO Mcd in any area is halal at all. There was a time when they were thinking to go Kosher but that hasn't happenned either... N KFC is only halal on trial in Newham areas not everywhere..

Yeah newham area. God what a crap place to live! lol but yeah that used to be my area with my school and stuff. I agree with most of the stuff you've written there except for the bit about KFC overtakin McD's in revenue, I don't see that happening now or later. Again, a small amount of the entire british population isn't gonna change McD's revenue by a large amount. It's been the leading fast food restaurant ever since I can remember! Near my school, there's literally about 6 small chip shops, there's 2 SAM's, 1 dixy, one of them al farooq, al pisa places😆but and their chips are actually half the price of McD's😉but yet every single time you go in, you will always find McD's busy! There is quite a hugeee gap between KFC revenue and McD's revenue and maybe it will narrow down veryyyy slightly but 1% of population going KFC (that's IF they like KFC), won't make McDonald's lose out on much business at all, especially if a LOT of british muslims go to McDonald's in the first place!😛
KFC on the other hand, all the branches seem empty these days😆unless you talk about stratford branch where there's a crazeee (but that's mainly by the black african population😳) yet somehow McDonald's still has much muchh moree people in stratford branch😆
So I'll conclude by saying, there is no real competition at all. KFC is clearly losing out on business and had to resort to this in order to pick up sales.😊
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Posted: 15 years ago
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nothing wrong in it.....no harm of the halal kfc.....this will bring more consumers.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Well I think Halal KFC will do well, going by the success of Halal McDonalds in Southall providing that people feel confident that the product is halal. But I personally wouldn't eat in the Halal KFC, as its not monitored by HMC and in my local mosque here, they have disapproved it. Each to their own.

Give me PCF chicken any day..😉
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: $weet Ema

Well I think Halal KFC will do well, going by the success of Halal McDonalds in Southall providing that people feel confident that the product is halal. But I personally wouldn't eat in the Halal KFC, as its not monitored by HMC and in my local mosque here, they have disapproved it. Each to their own.

Give me PCF chicken any day..😉

Ahh I KNEW IT! @ The member I was quoting before, like I thought, some branches of McD's are indeed halal! No wonder there are sooo many asians there!
But I gotta say one thing, southall McDonald's is sooooo freshhh! I mean for God's sake, it;s the only branch in London that plays Bollywood music in the background😆
But big up southall! It's where all my Indian people live!😛
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Not sure about the credibility of the 'halal' status of McDonalds in Southall, so I can't really comment on that, but read on the HMC site that it has not approved any of the Halal MCDonalds branches, it is actually HFA (Halal Food Authority that has certified the McDonald Southhall Branch), If you want to read more, download the HMC news March 2008 issue12 from the HMC site, there is a whole article on theMcDonalds matter @ http://www.halalmc.co.uk/
Haha, bolly musixc, ROFL. ^^ There is also a 'Halal' Subway outlet in East London, anyone been there?
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