Originally posted by: contentdriven
The title of the clip was misleading as there is nothing intimate on the clip.
Just wanted to give a brief preface to my comment below. I am not from India and grew up in what I guess you would term a western environment . Anyway I stumbled across Indian soap operas about two and a half years ago when I was studying in another country. I really don't like any sort of soap operas or reality shows I am more into content driven dramas mysteries and comedies on tv . I am accustomed to looking at what you might term Western tv shows I also love movies ( foreign films or Hollywood) with strong storylines and well developed characters . I really don't care for chick flicks including romantic movies though a classic like Casablanca is one of the few exceptions. Also a romantic subplot in a tv show or movie is fine as long as it is not the main plotThat is one of the main reasons I don't like many Bollywoid movies which to me are classed as foreign films. I am curious why so many of them have to me romantic movies and so over the top in terms of sentimentality.
I have only looked at a few indian soap opras and I view them mostly as comedy or they irtitate me so much - it is like an alternative universe that has no connection to the real word so regressive over the top I am fascinated by so many things including it is always a romantic story Mainly focusses on one couple. The FL basically never drinks , is vegetarian , only wears Indian wear and is dressed up even to sleep never parties. She always has to suffer and convince the male lead she loves him or make him realize he loves her or sacrifice for him or his family or endure abuse from him or his familyThere is an obsession with getting people married as quickly as possible . There is nothing like dating. The female lead must live under the same roof with the ML and his family- no house of their own - and if she had a job before she does not work anymore. By contrast the male lead is free to drink, party and dress in western wear as are the negative female characters. I find this to be sexist and also extremely judgmental. Just because someone drinks socially and in moderation , wears western clothes and goes to parties clubs does not make them morally inferior to others. I do all these things but I have been brought up with strong values which I will not compromise. These are life style choices and do not reflect on your morality. Although in India I understand this may be done for religious or cultural reasons though this should never be used as an excuse to judge oppress or control others which unfortunately it sometimes is
Anyway I and many people I assume look at tv or movies to be entertained. Whether it is to make us laugh ,cry , inspire us, enlighten us educate us , cause our imaginations to soar or even disturb us. Basically to experience the spectrum of human emotion. Every genre does one or more of these things. While a documentary may educate us a comedy makes us laugh. The point is everyone has different tastes and there are shows to suit everyone . Short of some protects like ratings for shows or movies to indicate only those of a certain age can view it or it has coarse language or sexual content that may offend some views and indicating what is not suitable for children you are free to watch what you want or switch the channel
I have noticed many people on this forum are offended by the lack of moral standards in this show. I don't understand why tv shows need to be morally correct. There is creativity and freedom of expression once it does not violate any laws and purpose should be to portray the human experience in all its beauty ad well as sordidness There should be guidlines in place to protect children and warn those who might be offended and finally freedom of choice on the part of the viewer to view it or not . Lust sex obsession cheating adultery breakups happen in the real world People forget those they love and fall for someone else. Why get upset anout this saying some scenes are soft po*n. That is an exaggeration. What I will say though is this soap is so badly written that the scenes are not subtle and are cringeworthy like the pallu falling etc. Also I have noticed in this and the few other Indian soap operas I have looked at characters behaves illogically irrationally and imconsistently. So I agree Parth was potrayed as someone who love Shovari very much so to just suddenly have him forget about her marry Teni and then live with both of them is ridiculous and totally out of character. The family is supposed to be a rich educated somewhat conservative family living in modern times who care anout their reputation but they wholeheartedly support this arrangement. That is inconsistent with their characters and unrealistic. It is not like they are Mormons or it is a historical drama where polygamy is acceptable. Anyway instead of being morally outraged at what is being shown I would say the story is so badly written it really does come across as cringe worthy unrealistic supergicial and blatantly teying to manipulate the audiences rmotions Someone in one of the threads mentioned a turkish drama where the wife was in love with a man other than her husband and was having an extra marital affair I also saw the finite indian soap Aade Adhoori where a woman developed a relationship with her brother in law while her husband was away B oth shows were so well written and the actors portrayed the complexity of emotions with such subtlety that these show were well received even though they were not morally appropriate. I don't think tv and movies need to be morally appropriate but realistically portray all human emotions and experiences whether good or bad unless it is some sort of supernateral show etc which does not need to br realistic. The argument that this is the culture in India or people take guidance from these shows does not seem valid. Clearly modern India has modern educated women who drink party work date have pre marital sx and like anywhere in the world people probably also cheat or break relations and even havepurely sexual relationships. Also just because some people might be influenced by these shows does not mean it needs to be morally appropriate otherwise they would be corrupted. First of all children should not be looking at soap operas and termagers and those older should be able to take responsibility for their own lives snd look to their family teachers spiritual leaders and use plain common sense to not be influenced by tv shows and movies . Just because it is common does not mean it is acceptable and the entertainment indistry should cater to this. Anyway sorry for the long post and if you read my post thanks for rwading and allowing me to express my views. I know others may have different views but that is what makes for a healthy discussion . I apologize for any typos :)
What you said is absolutely right. Indian soap operas were once progressive with series like Shanti, Udaan(original one) and Sea Hawks. What happened is t got highjacked by Ekta Kapoor and the lead female turned into an unrealistic, somewhat stupid and unrelatable character. I watch many international shows and hardly watch Indian to shows anymore, and I can say that even in Iranian shows I see women standing up, when Iran is supposed to be a patriarchy. When it comes to Indian series, women always sacrifice, cry, leave their career, have to marry for the sake of family, make laddoos whole day, and the worse part is even when Husband is bad, she will be a pativrata and will have the task to Redeem her husband. There was a show on colours( bani )where a husband tried to kill his wife and the wife forgave him and redeemed him. In another show a girl got married to her rapist. So I dunno what messages we are giving to the society when already women suffer in the real world.
I was the one who mentioned the Turkish show. As I said I fell in love with the show because it was so realistic and well written and well portrayed. Nothing looked forced or out of place. The difference between dsdt and that show is, the female lead was aware she was wrong and the pain was visible. She suffered the most and in the end she lost everything, again it was shown very strongly. In dsdt the leads and family never had the guilt feeling of anything similar(after Sid). They were shown enjoying three some track, and actors even praised it in segments saying its kind of pure Dilchasp rishta. That instantly became unrelatable, as things changed overnight, and no proper explaination was given. Apart from that the leads (now) are acting pathetically. Can't find a single dialogue or emotion to justify their deep love. And it irks that they call the lust as pure love.
Again, as you said extra marital of falling in love out of marraige isn't the problem here. In my all time favourite show The Good Wife, the lead character, a married woman with teenage kids having affair with her boss, this show won Emmys including for best actress, and is considered one of the best written feminist shows. Cause the affair was fully justified as per the story line.
Even in game of thrones, their are immoral things shows, still the who is watched around the globe and praised. But imagine charectors giving interview and praising incest saying its interesting and nothing wrong. So, for me it's about this stupid story line and pathetic acting.
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