Sonam kapoor lost her mind - Page 5

Originally posted by: monu_tan

It is very good that you are a French, but before you run wild in your imagination understand the context here.

Schools and private institutions are an understood cases of religious symbol ban, because they have UNIFORMS.

But the same is not understood fact for India yet. The controversy is about a SCHOOL banning hijab and other religious symbols.

This is a manufactured OUTRAGE and happy to see so many contributing their bit to it.

Actually no, we don't have uniforms. The law isn't against any religion : it's about neutrality in school. You're not suppose to show your religious or political beliefs in schools to protect minors from any influence. The law doesn't apply to universities for example because we're dealing with adults who are free to exercise their freedom of religion.

From what I've seen, the ban targets college veiled women in India.

There is no comparison with the French case.

Originally posted by: Zeal17

The fraction here is the one who was not wearing Hijab until 2021 December. Was there some sort of Awakening that suddenly those school going girls became part of the one mandatorily wearing Hijab?

Chronology of events.

No religious symbol allowed in school

Girls are attending schools without hijab

CFI, the student arm of PFI (an Islamic extremist and known terrorist group) does a campus recruitment

4 girls from school make social media accounts and start quoting CFI and it’s extremist ideas

4 Girls start wearing hijab and get others on board.

School disallows girls to study until they follow UNIFORM policy

Wokes start misinformation of Hijab ban in wonderland

Others burn their midnight oil to make sure Misinformation continues and make it Real.

Anyways out of this topic. Neither is this my business nor my interest.

Aap log gala faadke hijab ban misinformation continue kare.

😂

Originally posted by: monu_tan

Chronology of events.

No religious symbol allowed in school

Girls are attending schools without hijab

CFI, the student arm of PFI (an Islamic extremist and known terrorist group) does a campus recruitment

4 girls from school make social media accounts and start quoting CFI and it’s extremist ideas

4 Girls start wearing hijab and get others on board.

School disallows girls to study until they follow UNIFORM policy

Wokes start misinformation of Hijab ban in wonderland

Others burn their midnight oil to make sure Misinformation continues and make it Real.

Anyways out of this topic. Neither is this my business nor my interest.

Aap log gala faadke hijab ban misinformation continue kare.

😂

I know yr yaha yehi chalta hai.. When presented facts people will run away!

For the last time. It's a uniform.

Outside the school they are free to do whatever.

And meaning behind Hijab and Turban is very different.

It’s an irony that people are fighting for the rights of the already empowered women who know about their rights and choices and know fully well how to exercise them. How about you also give some attention to those who don’t have a voice of their own, let alone be empowered?

For every woman who wears Hijab as a choice there is a woman in some corner of the world who gets forced/beaten/punished/raped/killed for not wearing a Hijab!

Right here on this forum a Muslim girl kept voicing her displeasure against getting forced to wear a Hijab but it fell on the deaf ears with literally no one paying attention to her.

There are some of her posts. Sorry The_Best, for putting quoting you here without taking your permission. If you are not ok with it, please feel free to ask me to remove them.

Originally posted by: The_Best

Coming from Muslim family it’s not a choice. Those who say it’s a choice lie or part of the extreme minority households where they are allowed to not be pressured to wear it. I live in US and every time I have to go to relatives I have to wear it.

Slippery slope about covering rules which islam promotes for women makes burqa mandatory too under sharia law. That’s why I have problem any religion dictating what women or men should wear or do in personal lives. Religion should be a personal matter and not become political like mainstream Islam is. And what can some in my family do if they are told this by mullahs and madrasas that that’s what a good Muslim is supposed to do to their daughters? I dislike when many muslims blame Muslims acts saying it’s not Islam but Muslim when it’s the mainstream Islam which these mullahs in madrasas are preaching and tell the rest of Muslims to do all that. Why not look at the root cause? Only acknowledging the root cause will fix the problem. And I am not pointing towards you but saying in general.

Most Muslims are not reading to look at the root cause and what mainstream Islam teaches because that means changing the four main Islamic schools interpretation about how Islam should be practiced and followed which was done centuries ago. Also even when few Muslims raise this point, they are given fatwas or if in west told you shut up and will get insulted at minimum. Changing those interpretations meaning changing Islam which is blasphemy against the famous saying about Islam is for all times and can never be changed. But why do many equates Islam with the four Islamic schools interpretation? The mainstream Islam is based on those centuries old interpretation. Changing that doesn’t mean changing Islam. Islam like any religion can be interpreted in any direction. But Islam has always been interpreted against women and many human rights. So that should be changed to interpret Islam with women rights and humans rights.

You are speaking of ideal world. The world is not ideal. The fact is hijab and burka right now is oppression and promote rape culture. Just because few are allowed the choice does not mean most are allowed the choice. Most will be shamed, disowned, jailed and killed over removing hijab because that’s what mainstream Islam says. That’s why hijab should be banned. I could care less about those few wanting to wear hijab when majority are oppressed and forced to wear it. I would rather support most women for whose it’s a matter of life and death than those few women having the privilege to choose to wear it. The day it truly becomes a choice will be the day I will be okay with hijab. When western and other countries give the choice to wear hijab. It doesn’t mean all women get the choice. It’s only those few women get the choice who truly want to wear it without any brainwashing and pressure. The rest wear it out of force and fear. The same is true for the rest of rules India allows specifically about polygamy etc for Muslims.

If women are allowed to wear hijab, how do you make sure most wearing it are doing it out of choice and not pressure? I am financially independent and live in USA, but I still have to wear it every time I am visiting my relatives. So what about those who don’t even have financial means, controlled and don’t even live in west? When I was in Pakistan, I didn’t even have that choice and was forced to burka and abaya it at age 12. It’s only because I am in west that I can at least wear it outside when my extended family members are not around me. And right now too I don’t just wear hijab. I always have to wear burka with it or at minimum a long coat something. Hijab is not enough.

Those comparing hijab with turban and nuns, can they answer if nuns and Sikh have been abducted, thrown acid on face, raped and killed for not having turban etc? There’s no comparison between hijab with other covering. Right now women are abducted, tortured and high possibility of being raped and killed in Afghanistan for protesting against hijab and other oppressive rules by Taliban, but shameless women in India are protesting for hijab for their own agenda. I have no tolerance for terrorists and terrorist sympathizers.

I keep seeing people having the freedom to protest in west and India protesting for hijab, but have they protested for the women who are forced to wear it? Have they ever? I have never seen a protest for that. All these privileged people do is sit in non-Muslim countries where they have the freedom to protest for their choice while women back in Afghanistan,Iran, Saudi etc are kidnapped, jailed and killed for the same disgusting hijab and niqab.

My family is following Islam, mullahs and madrasas. So go blame them before blaming my family and other Muslims who themselves are victims. Fix Islam, the Islamic schools and mullahs who say hijab and covering is must for women. This is the problem with Muslims who love Islam above all. They will say it’s the family, the culture or the Muslims fault but never Islam. Iran, Saudi, Pakistan, turkey, Afghanistan etc are all must be wrong too for having many Islamic rules against women and human rights. They all are at fault but never sharia law and Islam.

It’s sad some political parties India are allowing polygamy because of votes knowing well how devastating and oppressive that is for Muslim women 😢

I tried to tag The_Best above but didn’t happen. Let me try again.😕

Are my tagging rights taken away from me? Not able to take The_Best.

1. For the American Desis arguing here:

https://www.findlaw.com/education/student-rights/school-dress-codes.html

Yes, American schools, public and private, have the right to ban religious articles if they feel it takes away from the learning environment.

2. Nothing about the issue in India pertains to what the students wear on their private life for the likes of Sonam to poke their noses into it.

3. Can the people arguing for the hijab tell us how many Muslim women are empowered enough and financially independent enough to make the hijab a choice?

4. It's disheartening to see the same empowered women who, thanks to the liberal set up in the countries they live in, use the same liberalism to promote this symbol of oppression. No, it ain't feminism. Merely a blatant misuse of the issue of women's rights by women to oppress women who don't have a voice. Congratulations, ladies! You've achieved what the misogynists over the years dreamed of!

https://www.rferl.org/a/iran-hijab-campaigner-hunger-strike/31253323.html

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