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Posted: 15 years ago
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From the face of it, it does not look like that Hirami or V.V.C or Aamir would resort to this cheap method of promoting 3 Idiots. We did see a different approach in promotion of 3I by Aamir before the movie was launched.
Also, this controversy has emerged only after the movie got stupendous response and has shattered all boxoffice records.
Its more likely that Chetan got miffed by more success of the movie as compared to his book and resorted to such tactics.
Its a missed chance of getting better terms to the contract, w.r.t. better/more royalty fees and bolder credits (to get the best story award in all the award functions).
On second thots, I dont blame Chetan - anyone in his shoes would have done the same😛
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Posted: 15 years ago
#42
I have only seen the movie havent read book. 🤔
So cant really comment.

As far as the movie is concerned its awesome.👍🏼
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Posted: 15 years ago
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well......i had said that raju and chetan together have created this controversy.......this could be because.......raju instead of paying chetan more money would have agreed with him to increase sales of his book by promoting it........and therefore chetan benefits and so does raju.......raju repeated in his statements to the press......"everybody pl see the movie, then buy the book and read it"......
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Alright I've been doing some more reading on the issue. There are two perspective legal and ethical. There are also some nuances of the Indian film industry that one needs to be aware of. Based on that here is my opinion.

Whether inspired or based on a book, the movie makers need to obtain rights on the book (unless the book is copyright expired). The author of the book needs to be credited in either opening or end credits.

Chetan Bhagat has been given credit that the movie was inspired by his story. Legally his argument holds no ground. Ethically, he has reason to be miffed because his book has not been prominently acknowledged.

For example in Hollywood when movies are based on books trailer voice overs and advertisements often advertise 'based on award winning novel' or something on similar grounds. He is right in expecting more prominent placement like this.

However, it is important to note that Twilight and Harry Potter series both do not acknowledge Meyer or Rowling in opening credits, or in trailers/posters. They put it credit as a small end blurb. Being so popular everyone knows that the movies were based on books. So on the flip side Bhagat is at a loss for not being as prominent.

Even 300 and Sin City did not have prominent acknowledgments. Many people still don't know that they are based on Frank Millers graphic novels. However, Frank Miller is very comfortable with his narrow comic con type niche fan base and does not feel every movie goer needs to know who he is. So on the flip side Bhagat is not content with his readership.

Bhagat makes an interesting point in his blog that the even though the credits acknowledge him and his novel, the film still credits the story to Raju Hirani and Abhijit Joshi. He feels that if it is based on his novel he should receive a place in the credits for story. He is alright with them having full credit for screenplay, but holds objection that he is excluded from the story.

This is where the nuances of intellectual property come in. This is a very complicated fuzzy grey area across the world.

If someone reads a book, watches a show or movie and is inspired to rewrite a story based on that - who gets credit for the new story? If the original creator is acknowledged does the new story creator have to give story credit too to the original author? I mean is there any finite way we can split creativity in proportions to share?

Chetan Bhagat has no legal claims because he did sell the rights to his book. But ethically he does have a claim. Now Hirani and Joshi are professionals, but I wanted to share a perspective from an ordinary person. I've written fan fictions, some which were inspired by movies. I acknowledge the inspiration. However, the story of the fan fiction, the adaptation, the characterization, the penning it in a new style was done completely by me. Perhaps there is some moral obligation with me crediting the story to the original too. But I don't like the idea of sharing the creative credit with someone who was absolutely not involved in my creative process. I completely empathize with Hirani and Joshi being unwilling to credit Bhagat for their creative process in adapting the story for the screenplay. Even if adapted from Bhagat's novel. This story is their creative baby. It is their inspiration based on the book. If the book is credited to him, why share any other credit?

There was a time fan fiction was a victim to a lot of intellectual property claims. Fan fiction sites were sued and shut down because Movie, book and TV producers claimed the characters as intellectual property and that the fan fic authors had no creative rights over them. Over time people realized the importance of fan fiction and let people use their characters.

The funny thing is most fan fiction is illegal. The Zee Sony makers could actually come and shut down the fan fiction section and sue IF for profiting through a channel that violates their intellectual property. These characters are in fics are owned by show producers and unless the writer 'bought' the right to write a story. They are committing a crime. Even if they disclaim that they do not own the characters, they can be liable. Although some ordinary teenager who wrote a fiction to pay tribute to her favorite character would be alarmed and find it bogus if Ekta kapoor legally chased her. Grey areas of intellectual property.

Music industry has similar dilemma - who has rights to fan vids, mash ups etc. Who gets the credit? How legal/illegal are they? If some teenager had the ingenuity to mash up Eminem and Lady Gaga and set it up to a Tellytubby dance - is it his creativity or is it the creativity of Eminem Lady Gaga and Tellytubby makers.




though I agree with everything you have written I really like the bolded part. I write fanfics too. And at times they are inspired by movies I have seen or books I have read. yet what the lines I write, the way I describe my characters and everything else about it is all mine. I don't want anyone to tell me that is not my story.

I am somewhat displeased with Chetan. He sold his rights. He got his credit 9though it was small unfortunately). The problem is the movie is famous and his book is not. now he seems to be using this publicity to sell his books. If i have to direct quote it " All I am saying is watch the movie and read the book...." The guy is trying to sell his books.

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Posted: 15 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: baddie

From the face of it, it does not look like that Hirami or V.V.C or Aamir would resort to this cheap method of promoting 3 Idiots. We did see a different approach in promotion of 3I by Aamir before the movie was launched.

Also, this controversy has emerged only after the movie got stupendous response and has shattered all boxoffice records.
Its more likely that Chetan got miffed by more success of the movie as compared to his book and resorted to such tactics.
Its a missed chance of getting better terms to the contract, w.r.t. better/more royalty fees and bolder credits (to get the best story award in all the award functions).
On second thots, I dont blame Chetan - anyone in his shoes would have done the same😛

but dont u think its justified to "get mi9ffed" if ur not given enough credit for a work which was originally conceived by you?
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: susan29

well......i had said that raju and chetan together have created this controversy.......this could be because.......raju instead of paying chetan more money would have agreed with him to increase sales of his book by promoting it........and therefore chetan benefits and so does raju.......raju repeated in his statements to the press......"everybody pl see the movie, then buy the book and read it"......



I beg to differ here.
It was Chetan who created this controversy and not Raju Hirani. Now if Chetan has flung muck on Raju, he is bound to dust it off his shirt, which he did by saying that they have abided by the contract and that 3I is not a copy of 3.S
Ahhh, now I am sure Raju couldnt have sung "Nirma, washing powder Nirma...." and avoided the muck coming on him.😉
I would like to put it down here that the movie is not more than 5% of the original story....ok, giving Chetan benefit of doubt, 3 Idiots is at most 10% of 3 Point someone. Rest of the story is entirely different.
(I have read the book and then saw the movie when released).




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Posted: 15 years ago
#47
@krystal_watz

If you have followed the controversy, in totality, the team of 3 Idiots have abided by the contract with Chetan. Infact, Vidhu has paid the bonus amount( some extra money which they were supposed to pay Chetan after the release), before the movie was released.

Well, now that chetan has extended his hand for a shake with Aamir, lets put an end to this, as well.
What say!😊

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Posted: 15 years ago
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I didn't like the movie much either, it was a masala movie.
Aamir played the character of an exceptionally gifted person but his character is very confusing throughout the movie, full of contradictions. EGPs mostly have heightened sensitivies, agree that they showed a flair for justice in him which goes along with the brilliance, yet they showed him easy going, which is contradictory to that very trait. EGPs are VERY rarely easy-going. They are so much different that it is extremely difficult for them to jel-in and make friends of their own age. Challenging teacher's authority is one thing which most genuises do in their life-time but taking their unfair response not to the heart and let it go is not usually in their nature. Aamir's character was full of so many contradictions and it was causing indigestion through out the movie. I bet, the director forgot to study exceptionally or profoundly gifted individuals before making this movie. Gajani was better.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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OK, this movie was very good. Aamir, Madhavan, Sharman and the Silencer guy played their parts really well. Kareena gave a lack lustre performance as usual. Boman Irani was good too. But what is this Chetan Bhagat controversy? I know, that the movie was based on his book. But what did he do?

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