Originally posted by: ranikaadi
One letter? There are several interviews where he advocates for Eugenics. Plus, he's just a symptom of privilege. Can't fault them for being dumb.
Several interviews?! Which ones? Another than this open letter where?
Originally posted by: ranikaadi
One letter? There are several interviews where he advocates for Eugenics. Plus, he's just a symptom of privilege. Can't fault them for being dumb.
Several interviews?! Which ones? Another than this open letter where?
Originally posted by: Maroonporsche
Saif is getting extreme tags isnt he ? Just after one letter š
I thought his letter was more of a stand-up comedy item but when I saw other people expressing disgust and condemning it, I retreated and give it a second read to let the racist pile of mess sink in. Maybe my radar is desensitized after listening to the daily dose of racism Trump provides here. š
But anyway are you suggesting that you don't approve the extreme tags Saif is receiving here? How come? That was working wonderfully for you in KR threads. š
Kangana is basically the Indian equivalent of a trump supporter as she rages against "them god damn muzzzzlimss" š
Originally posted by: coldbrew
But anyway are you suggesting that you don't approve the extreme tags Saif is receiving here? How come? That was working wonderfully for you in KR threads. š
But if Saif can be treated this way so can Kangeroo
Im mainly concerned on who bullied Saif ?
Originally posted by: desigal90
Kangana is basically the Indian equivalent of a trump supporter as she rages against "them god damn muzzzzlimss" š
Donāt forget you go girl ā¤ļø
Originally posted by: coldbrew
I can't speak for bollywoodbuff, I don't know the member personally but it looks to me like people here are really trigger happy. I mean, within two exchanges, he's getting accused of being Islamophobic and before you know it, someone is gonna tell him that he advocates Muslim genocide too.
No one is saying he's advocating for genocide. But if this response is not stereotyping and being prejudiced against muslims, I don't know what is. This IS prejudice and stereotyping. Similar to how African Americans battle stereotypes.
Originally posted by: bollywoodbuff20
the tweet re Sweden riots is NOT islamophobic and is NOT hatred against a "religious group". we have seen the pattern in delhi and bangalore and countless previous times around the world. it cant be a coincidence that it has always involved the same "religious group"
kangana is brave to call them out in todays politically correct mad world where people such as u jump onto everything without due thought
Only thing Saif learned from this open letter mistake is to not type out the things he wants to say while drunk. Thats his reflection, he might think so but its not necessary to say it out loud. N he said so in the AC interview.
Also the way he wrote bout the Elle journalist shows the class of this fake nawab.
Saif is 50 he should be more mature. Genes and acting? How did that work out for Abhisekh or Shweta-from two powerhouses Amitabh and Jaya Bhaduri.
Saif's own sister hasn't fared that well. Rishi Kapoor's last brother didn't fare too well as did a gazillion star kids.
At 50, he should be a bit more smarter. He is the one who took Salman out for blackbuck hunting with Tabu and Neelam-how he escaped I never know. Salman got stuck with the whole rap.
Originally posted by: Maroonporsche
What am I suppose to say to this person ? Lets make a statue in Kangana's honor ? With a kidnapped Hrithik in one hand and my bleeding muslim heart in another ? š
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Originally posted by: ranikaadi
Credit to Coldbrew for finding this gem:
To whomsoever it may concern,
Over the last few days, a lot has been said and written about the skit on the IIFA stage by Karan Johar, Varun Dhawan and yours truly. Letās first see what happened here. āNepotism Rocksā was a joke on stage. Itās not something that I wrote or something I believe in. It was a joke on ourselves, between Varun (Dhawan), Karan (Johar) and me. It was not supposed to be a big deal, but I realised at some point, that it might have offended Kangana (Ranaut). I called her and apologised personally. That should be the end of it. Everybody needs to take a chill pill and back off.
However, in todayās world, apologies are made through Twitter or though some other social media platform. That, is basically apologising to your fans and the world in general, instead of apologising to the person concerned, because you donāt want to lose support. These are the times we live in. We wish each other happy birthday or offer condolences on social media. This is another reason I donāt want to be on any social media platform ā it feels fake. As far as the issue of saying something stupid on stage goes, Iām sure itās not the first or the last time Iām going to say something stupid in an attempt to be funny. And I apologised to Kangana, so I donāt owe anybody else an explanation. The issue is over.
What I canāt seem to understand are some of the media reactions to this. While most people have been sensible, three reporters from the websites BollywoodLife, The Quint and Elle India, made a point of saying that all I did was use big words like eugenics and genetics. I think itās extremely relevant in a conversation on nepotism, which means family favouritism, to talk about genetics and eugenics. Eugenics means well born and in a movie context, the genes (the DNA weāre born with, not the blue trousers we wear) of, letās say Dharmendraās son or Amitabh Bachchanās son or for that matter, Sharmila Tagoreās son come into play.
Because people are interested in what their children will be like and whether they will have the genes of their parents, in terms of their talent. If you need another example, then take race horses. We take a derby winner, mate him with the right mate and see if we can create another grand national winner. So, in that sense, this is the relationship between genetics and star kids. Hope thatās clear? As for the girl from Elle: Iām sorry you found words like eugenics in a conversation about nepotism misplaced. Perhaps if you got your head out of the hemline of the actress of the month and read a book, your vocabulary might improve.
The real flagbearer of nepotism, Iād say is the media. Look at how they treat Taimur, Shahidās daughter Misha or even Shah Rukhās son AbRam. They photograph them and hype them up to be the next big thing and the child has no choice. From a young age they have to deal with being celebrities, which they donāt really deserve, before they can even speak or talk, leave alone understand what is happening.
So, what is nepotism? I think nepotism means when you give somebody from your family a job that somebody else is better suited for. But, is that what happens in movies? Is that what people mean when they say that there is lot of nepotism in film industry? I think perhaps what Kangana means (and again Iām only assuming here) by nepotism is that people from Dharma or Yashraj are against people like her, who have come up the hard way without their support and that they only support their own people. Whether that is true or not I have no idea and itās none of my business.
Nepotism is probably least prevalent in the movie industry and rampant in politics and business. Nepotism in dynastic politics is a well-known and unspoken truth. Itās the same in business. But nobody talks about that. Nepotism is Donald Trump putting his daughter in the White House rather than someone who is better qualified. Actors are the soft targets. So if you say star kids have an advantage, of course, they do. Itās an advantage created by the press because people are interested in them. There is a curiosity to see Taimur, Sara or Ibrahim. Itās supply and demand. People want it, media serves it. So weāre all part of the same vicious circle in that sense.
Whatās at play here are three systems. Aristocracy, the rule of the best, which is what this industry is. Ruled by the best. Also, meritocracy. It is ruled by the people with the most talent and itās also ultimately tempered by democracy, which is people power. Nepotism cannot work in the film industry because it is a democracy. The film industry is the most fair line of work. So yes, maybe I got a chance because of my mother, but that is more genetics than nepotism. Itās a genetic investment that the producer was making.
Compared to an outsider, maybe I had a better chance of meeting people, but Akshay is also an outsider. When people saw him, they gave him a chance rather than give me one because they are businessmen who can spot talent. And when a hero walks in, they know. They want to imagine me as a privileged prince and so, itās nice to pull me down once in a while, I imagine. For every star kid, there are many guys and girls from total non-filmi backgrounds. Take Shah Rukh Khan, Sridevi, Madhuri Dixit-Nene, Jackie Shroff... itās an endless list. Everyone knows this is the only industry where a spotboy can become a superstar. And to the idiot who gave the example of Arjun Kapoor for nepotism, I would just like to say that every film he has done, has worked. He should be an inspiration as an unlikely hero, not pulled down for nepotism. And that is the reason he is here. Not because of his father or uncle. Itās the audience that makes a film a hit, not the family members, otherwise all kinds of people would be ruling the roost.
Lastly, Johnny Depp once told Kate Moss ā and I have forgotten his advice and Iām never going to forget it again ā Never complain and never explain. Thatās good advice, I think.
Sincerely,
Saif Ali Khan
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