Originally posted by: ThunderLight
And What is the proof of it? Just FYI, these Western writers have a habit of tarnishing people who opposed them. They used to write lot of rubbish against even Bhagat Singh and Vivekananda. And by such propaganda, you are actually questioning the character of the women too indirectly. Ridiculous.
where am I questioning the character of the women ?😕If such thing (if true) is making you think the women is characterless, then that's more ridiculous... He was the most revered person in the whole nation that time...if some of the women, gave their consent then it doesn't make them characterless...of course I don't have proof...but such a big blame would've been squashed by Indian historians if untrue...
I think MMS is not degraded in the movie rather he is shown as a good person but a bad politician, a mere puppet in the hand of Gandhis. People need to watch before getting judgemental.Originally posted by: Too_Much
Ek Movie me ex- PM ko girao, ek movie me bad chad kar dikhao.. to phir samajhlo elections khareeb hai..
Originally posted by: ThunderLight
The article is so sick and derogatory that it needed no response or attention. U tell me your most revered person. I will share one article against him written by some hatemonger. Hope u believe it as Gospel Truth too and ask the person to prove his innocence. Instead of asking for proofs from the person making those claims.
Originally posted by: DelusionalMe
I think MMS is not degraded in the movie rather he is shown as a good person but a bad politician, a mere puppet in the hand of Gandhis. People need to watch before getting judgemental.
Originally posted by: ThunderLight
An expose is something that is backed by concrete evidence. What you are talking about looks like someone's overactive imagination. Funnily, the same article introduced the writer as someone Elitist, Anti India and Anti Hindu. Basically, a Typical Colonist and Racist.
"The ideal bhangi of my conception would be a Brahmin par-excellence, possibly even excel him. It is possible to envisage-the existence of a Bhangi without a
Brahmin. But without the former the latter could not be, It is the Bhangi who enables society to live. A Bhangi does for society what a mother does for her baby. A mother washes her baby of the dirt and insures his health. Even so the Bhangi protects and safeguards the health of that entire community by maintaining sanitation for it. The Brahmin's duty is to look after the sanitation of the soul, the Bhangi's that of the body of society. But there is a difference in practice ; the Brahmin generally does not live up to his duty, the bhangi does willy-nilly no doubt.
But that is not all. My ideal bhangi would know the quality of night-soil and urine. He would keep a close watch on these and give a timely warning to the individual concerned. Thus, he will give a timely notice of the results of his examination of the excreta. That presupposes a scientific knowledge of the requirements of his profession. He would likewise be an authority on the subject of disposal of night-soil in small villages as well as big cities and his advice and guidance in the matter would be sought for and freely given to society.
It goes without saying that he would have the usual learning necessary for reaching the standard here laid down for his profession. Such an ideal bhangi while deriving his livelihood from his occupation, would approach it only as a sacred duty. In other words he would not dream of amassing wealth out of it. He would consider himself responsible for the proper removal and disposal of all the dirt and night-soil within the area which he serves and regard the maintenance of healthy and sanitary condition within the same as the summum bonum of his existence.
Gandhi wrote about one such incident with his grandniece Manu when he called for her to sleep with him during a time of intense Hindu- Muslim violence in Bengal. He writes,
"We both may be killed by the Muslims, he told her, "and must put our purity to the ultimate test, so that we know that we are offering the purest of sacrifices, and we should now both start sleeping naked"
The tests appalled many leading in March 16, 1947, Nirmal Kumar Bose, one of Gandhi's closest associates to write a letter to Kishorlal G. Mashruwala, another of Gandhi's close colleagues, saying
When I first learnt about Gandhi's experiment in which a girl took off her clothes and lay under the same cover with him and he tried to find out if any sexual feeling was evoked in him or his companion, I felt genuinely surprised. Personally, I would not tempt myself like that and more than that, my respect for [women] would prevent me from treating her as an instrument in my experiment.
Gandhi even unto his death would not relinquish this practice and died with the Abha and his grand-niece Manu, the two young women who were his "human walking sticks of whom he rotated nightly in his bed.
The situation distressed one of his former followers R. P. Parasuram who quit after writing the following in his letter of indictment:
1 January, 1947
Srirampur
Revered Bapu,
I write these lines in sorrow and pain. You know how shy and unforward I have been these two years. You must imagine to what depths I must have been agitated then to overcome my shyness and become bold and that too with a man who is considered by many to be the greatest man living...
I object to your sleeping in the same bed with members of the opposite sex. In February 1945 or so, I was given the draft of a statement to type. I was shocked by the contents...I must tell you that even before I know of this. One day Amin-bhai came and told me that he was shocked to see Manu [Manu GandhiGandhi's own grand niece] getting into your bed.
In those days I was more shy than I am now. My only friend in the ashram was Amin. Even then I came to know of the discussions about this affair because the ashram people are so careless and can't keep their mouth shut. Everybody objected to your doing this.
Apart from the question of any affect on you, what about the effect on girls?
There is something of other wrong with them [the women who sleep naked with Gandhi]. [The] Punjabi girl who lived opposite my room in Matunga. She used to weep unrestrainedly and that not caring whether others saw her or not. She laughed also unrestrainedly. And then here is Dr. Sushila-behn [the 24-year-old in-house physician at the ashram who Gandhi also used for his experiments']. How many are the days when she has not wept? She is a doctor and yet she is always a patient, always is ill. Who has heard of a doctor who cries out at night?
Even then the whole thing is considered wrong by the world. I do not like it. Nirmal babu [Bose] does not. Sucheta-behn [Kriplani] did not like it and said, "However great he may be, he cannot do such things. What is this? You must admit that there is something in our objection. You cannot waive it aside.
As for blood relations [this is in reference to Manu Gandhi]. The world is sceptic even there. There have been cases of immorality between father and daughter, brother and sister.
I object to your having massage done by girls. When I was studying in college, I read a report saying you were being massaged by Dr. Sushila-behn. And now I find you do get yourself massaged by girls.
Those people who know that you are naked during massage time say that you could at least put a cover over it [his genitals].
The same objection I hold against girls coming to the bathroom when you go there. Ramachandran saw you like that and said you had fallen a little from his estimation. However great you may be, you cannot do these things.
Your placing your hands on shoulders of girls. You had written once that you gave up this practice because others intimated you with evil intention. I have not come across any other writing saying you could resume it. So it was strange to me why you resumed it. During the two years I have been with you, about 50 letters or so objecting to this practice from admirers and calumniators came. None of them got any reply.
Your being seen naked [during his bath and massage] jars on the mind of strangers, admirers though they might be. Ramachandran did not like it. He said it was the limit.
Ever since the 17th December [1946], when in the small hours of the morning you made those dreadful sounds, dreadful because it came from you man of such eminence, even otherwise unbecoming for any wise or old man, my head has not been at peace. I have heard of another such instance from Mr. Ramachandran of the API [Associated Press of India] when you told Sushila-behn to leave you. I have seen such another instance at Delhi. But this event shook me to my depths. I said to myself that God and the nation would not forgive me if I kept quiet.
You commit Himalayan blunders. But you refuse to see these things and when told, you are irritated. I say you are conceited and constitute yourself to be the repository of all the wisdom in the world.
And now to my charges. Unless [my demands] are fulfilled, I [will] depart. I beg to differ and go away. Your actions to which I object:
1. Your sleeping with any member of the opposite sex.
2. Being massaged by any member of the opposite sex.
3. Allowing yourself to be seen naked by any member of the opposite sex.
4. Allowing yourself to be seen naked by strangers and even by people who are of your party who are not so intimate.
5. Placing your hands on the shoulders of girls when walking.
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