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Lizzie

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Posted: 6 years ago

#61

@pjyo-- I don't know how I forgot 'Surat ho to aisi ho', having watched 'Baarish'. Such a fun song! 😆

Here's a 'gambheer' - marathon of a song with Talat, Rafi. Bhupinder and Mannada from Chetan Anand's 'Haqeeqat', heart-breaking lyrics by Kaifi Azmi, composed by Madan Mohan, reflecting the anguish of soldiers reminiscing their loved ones. 'Sandese aate hai' seems so inspired by this, no?

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l97Ul5X2A0[/YOUTUBE]

Talat sings:

chhed ki baat pe armaan machal aaye honge

gham dikhave ki hansi ne na chupaye honge

naam par mere jab aansoo nikal aaye honge

sar na kandhe se saheli ke uthaya hoga

hoke majboor mujhe usne bhulaya hoga

zeher chupke se dava jaanke khaya hoga

ETA: It's weird how the first guy's voice changes from Rafi to Bhupinder 😃!

Edited by LizzieBennett - 6 years ago

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jyothi

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Posted: 6 years ago

#62

@Lizzie.

That first guy is Bhupinder himself😃 ,yeah ,its funny he began with Rafi voice and sang the rest in his own voice.😆.

Kaifi writes with such sensitivity ,its like he steps right into their shoes and lives that moment of desperation ..He understand the emotions of these soldiers and through them the feelings of their wives and beloved ..

yeah ,sandese has similar thoughts 🤔... Kaifi's always been an inspiration to javed,he even plays the writer in 'kaifi and me'..

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Lizzie

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Posted: 6 years ago

#63

Originally posted by: pjyo
@Lizzie.

That first guy is Bhupinder himself 😃 ,yeah ,its funny he began with Rafi voice and sang the rest in his own voice.😆.
Kaifi writes with such sensitivity ,its like he steps right into their shoes and lives that moment of desperation ..He understand the emotions of these soldiers and through them the feelings of their wives and beloved ..
yeah ,sandese has similar thoughts 🤔... Kaifi's always been an inspiration to javed,he even plays the writer in 'kaifi and me'..

😆 I kinda had an inkling it might be him, he looks like Bhupinder's twin who grew up in a famine-struck land! 😛 I haven't watched 'Haqeeqat' - cannot stomach war movies - so was unaware of the supporting cast, though I do know it has an enviable one.

And yes - agree about Kaifi's lyrics.

Here's another solo treat from Talat - 'Dekh li teri khudaai' from Kinare Kinare, music by the stalwart Jaidev and lyrics by (courtesy hindigeetmala) Nyay Sharma. I desperately wanted to watch this movie ever since I first heard this song on one of my Talat collections. Plus it has Dev Anand and Meena Kumari. I lost interest when I found this song was removed from the movie. Not sure if it was ever picturized.

The tone is similar to 'Zindagi dene wale sun' - rant to the Almighty by a broken, distraught mortal.

Dekh li teri khudaai, bas mera dil bhar gaya

teri rehmat chhup rahi, main rote rote mar gaya

mere maalik kya kahoon teri duaaon ka fareb

mujhpe yoon chaya ke mujhko ghar se beghar kar gaya

I love this and Talat renders it superbly!

ETA: The antaras sound so similar to 'Ek main ek meri bekasi ki shaam hai', you can almost sing them interchangeably! 😊

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cKKDjkY0wg[/YOUTUBE]

Edited by LizzieBennett - 6 years ago

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jyothi

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Posted: 6 years ago

#64

Originally posted by: LizzieBennett

😆 I kinda had an inkling it might be him, he looks like Bhupinder's twin who grew up in a famine-struck land! 😛 I haven't watched 'Haqeeqat' - cannot stomach war movies - so was unaware of the supporting cast, though I do know it has an enviable one.

🤣Bhupinder's famine struck twin 😆-what an apt description lizzie 👍🏼

It was his debut song ,he rehearsed without realizing others in that group song were legendary singers Rafi,Manna dey & Talal😲😃😊..

Only 2 singer mikes then so one was shared by Mannada and Talat while he got to share rafis mike, but rafisaab was much shorter and had to stand on elevated level 😊 .

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jyothi

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Posted: 6 years ago

#65

Shammi kapoor recalling his songs sung by Talat mahmood😊

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFLgFnbevrY[/YOUTUBE]

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Angel-likeDevil

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Posted: 6 years ago

#66

Originally posted by: LizzieBennett

I simply love this song, such a soft, romantic, dreamy tune - Talat's voice feels like it's dipped in the sweetest of nectars..

Dil dil se keh raha hai , jo tu hai wohi main hoon
Donon ki ek sada hai, jo tu hai wohi main hoon

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkqLwTRCcxs[/YOUTUBE]

Love this song sooo much ..it's been on loop since almost an hour... a very rare soothing pleasant romantic song.. 🤗

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Angel-likeDevil

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Posted: 6 years ago

#67

LB, I thought mohabbat and pyaar mean one and the same.. but the song makes it seem like pyaar is something higher than mohabbat..

I tried googling stages of love in Urdu, but found 7 stages of love

Hub Attraction
Uns Infatuation
Ishq Love
Aqeedat Reverence
Ibaadat Worship
Junoon Obsession
Maut Death

Also found the '14 stages of love according to Arabic language' ---

Arabs are in a league of our own when it comes to romance. I mean, just look at theways we express love, we're always ready to sacrifice our skin and bones for the people we love.

Over-the-top demonstration of love goes beyond our everyday conversation, as it is rooted deep within our literature. There is no shortage of epic and fiery poems in Arab literature, brought to us by the likes of Abu Nawas and Nizar Qabbani.

In these poems, we see variations of words referring to love, like "'oshk" and "gharam"... but contrary to popular belief, these words are not synonymous. They each refer to a unique degree of love.

1. Al-Hawa (Attraction)

Love begins with attraction and lust, which is described in Arabic as "al-hawa". This is when emotions are running high, but they're still indefinite... kinda like when you're swooning over a crush.

2. Al-Sabwa (Amusement)

"Al-sabwa" is derived from the Arabic word (al-siba), which means boyhood.

This phase depicts the sweet spot before things get real, when two people are enjoying each other's company without putting a label on the relationship. The "flirtationship" hasn't evolved into a legit relationship yet, but it might.

3. Al-Shaghaf (Passion)

This is when feelings of actual love begin to surface and people are basically love-struck.

The Arabic word "al-shaghaf" refers to (al-shaghafa), which is the outer layer of the heart.

4. Al-Wajd (Preoccupation)

"Al-wajd" is when you just can't stop thinking of your loved one. You are preoccupied with him/her and want to spend every waking hour with him/her.

5. Al-Kalaf (Infatuation)

"Al-kalaf" refers to a state of powerful longing accompanied by hardships and suffering. This is when people say "I love you so much it hurts" and actually mean it.

6. Al-'Oshok (Adulation)

"Al-oshok" is used to describe the excessive love and profound admiration lovers experience when they become intimately familiar with one-another.

7. Al-Najwa (Heartburn)

Yes... Arab romance is all about pain. "Al-najwa" is when love engulfs one's heart entirely and triggers feelings of sadness.

"Najwa" is derived from the Arabic word (salvation), as lovers need to be saved from this state of severe heartache.

8. Al-Shawq (Longing)

This is when you feel a deep longing for your lover and a strong attachment to him/her.

9. Al-Wasab (Excruciating pain)

"Al-wasab" translates to pain and illness. In this stage, love is just not healthy. There is so much pain and suffering, it's the stuff for epic love poems.

10. Al-Istikana (Submissiveness)

I repeat: NOT HEALTHY!

This is the state of humiliating and blind submission we often see in detrimental relationships.

11. Al-Wodd (Friendliness)

Couples who have reached this degree of love are #relationshipgoals. They are not only lovers, but also the best of friends.

"Al-wodd" translates to amiability and friendliness. It is the purest, most selfless and most delicate kind of love.

12. Al-Kholla (Unification)

"Al-kholla" is defined as love and friendship that are ingrained deep in the heart.

In this stage, you believe that your lover is "the one" and that you will never find a more perfect match (#soulmates).

13. Al-Gharam (Fervour)

"Al-gharam" is defined as attachment to something and not being able to let go of it. This is when lovers feel like it is impossible to live apart and always find their ways back to each other regardless of the circumstances.

14. Al-Hoyam (Madness)

"Al-hoyam" refers to madness and insanity caused by excessive love. So basically, this is when lovers lose all sense of reason and go absolutely nuts.

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Lizzie

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Posted: 6 years ago

#68

Originally posted by: pjyo

Shammi kapoor recalling his songs sung by Talat mahmood😊

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youube.com/watch?v=bFLgFnbevrY[/YOUTUBE]

Super-duper enjoyable! Thanks for this, pjyo! Haven't watched too many pre-Tumsa Nahi Dekha Shammi movies (most of them were duds as he himself admits 😛) but Memsaab was sooo cute. Loved Meena Kumari in her westernized avatar. Makes me want to watch the movie.

Laila Majnu has great songs! Shammi as Qais though 😃! To think his nephew would play the same role years later!

I love all the Talat numbers -

Chal Diya Kaarvaan

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOQwmsg3AoU[/YOUTUBE]

Aasmaanwale teri

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb51L-ZXxqA[/YOUTUBE]

Baharon ki duniya pukare

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXA_eyiZ520[/YOUTUBE]

and my favorite --

Dekh li ae ishq teri mehrbani dekh li

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8MrW8lVgG8[/YOUTUBE]

I hadn't heard the songs from Mohar or Sipah Salar.

Btw, where can one watch this TV documentary online?

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Lizzie

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Posted: 6 years ago

#69

@Angel: Wow! Thanks for that Arabic stages of love article. So beautiful, with all the words expressing intensities of love, I think the definitions in English probably don't do them justice.

I was reading this on google as well :

Pyaar - Taken from Sanskrit word(priya) in Hindi

Ishq - Taken from Persian word (ishq) urdu

Mohabbat - Taken from Arabic word (hubb) urdu

I think in your post you mentioned Hub means attraction and is the first stage of love, and mohabbat seems to be derived from "hub", so I guess Mohabbat would be more like an attachment or attraction and "pyar" is a higher form?

But most other posts seem to indicate the reverse - pyar is the 1st stage, mohabbat is next and ishq is even higher - indicates love without lust involved. So I'm still confused - and since the origins of the 2 words are from different languages, it maybe harder to compare the scales on which they fall.

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Lizzie

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Posted: 6 years ago

#70

Talat and Suraiya - have sung some great duets.

Dil-e-Nadaan tujhe hua kya hai is my favorite among them.

I'm pretty partial to these 2 as well.

Mann dheere dheere gaye re from Maalik , music by Ghulam Mohammad, lyrics by Shakeel Badayuni

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86X8ojU_J8E[/YOUTUBE]

Rahi Matwale from Waris, music by Anil Biswas, lyrics by Qamar Jalalabadi

I simply love how the antara flows and the opening beats convey the movement of the train, beautifully done by Anilda ...and the words are exquisite ❤️

kali kali choomke pawan kahe khil ja

khili kali bhanwre se kahe aake mil ja, aa piya mil ja

dil ne suni kahin dil ki pukaar

raahi matwale tu chhed ek baar mann ka sitar

jaane kab chori chori aayi hai bahar

Suraiya barely sings in this one, but when she does, it is oh so sweet

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51hQa_msPBA[/YOUTUBE]