A lesson one may not wish to ignore from MB - Page 2

Originally posted by: Fernandes43

Did maya love or lust Arjun when he was under sedation or hating her & was desperately trying to escape from her?
What was on her mind -knowing fully well Rajiv's mindset- as she offered to oblige him in share deal?
Did she offer him love or lust when she asked him to bite her neck?
Later, when she was asking him to marry Saanjh,
When she was texting the deadly SMS to him,
When she was asking him to kill Saanjh before he double crossed her & she triple crossed him back!
Maya knew by experience with him what exactly he was looking for and she still chose to play along, stoking his lust for her only to grow unashamedly, despite her marital status to another man!

Originally posted by: Y12345

lol i agree but its irrelevant. When she asked samay to bite her, it was part of a plan. And all that you said, doesnt deny the fact that Maya was not loved.

If a person is ready to die for another person that is only qualifying as supreme sacrifice!
Persons who are ready to sacrifice their life for near & dear ones, obviously they love the person!
Like our soldiers who are always ready to die for the country!
Samay was one such soldier for Maya! And Maya too knew that as she claimed his life as a matter of fact!
When the Jailor murder trial was conducted, Tulsi was the first one to support Maya & was ready to take murder blame on her head! The punishment for murdering an officer in duty in Jail premises would have obviously costed her life! Tulsi was perhaps even ready to sacrifice for Maya -her dear life even! That was possibly because she loved Maya for her support & help when the Jailor was torturing her!
Maya read her mind clearly & used her as a sacrifice when needed!
You mentioned Karna example! Tulsi is a modern Karna ready to die for modern D -for her friendship!
Ofcourse,Maya did not forget to thank the dead woman for her help!
Nothing much was known about Mansi! So I can't comment much!
But atleast two persons loved Maya so much, as they had paid with their life-a supreme sacrifice- to demonstrate their love for her!

Originally posted by: Fernandes43

If a person is ready to die for another person that is only qualifying as supreme sacrifice!
Persons who are ready to sacrifice their life for near & dear ones, obviously they love the person!
Like our soldiers who are always ready to die for the country!
Samay was one such soldier for Maya! And Maya too knew that as she claimed his life as a matter of fact!
When the Jailor murder trial was conducted, Tulsi was the first one to support Maya & was ready to take murder blame on her head! The punishment for murdering an officer in duty in Jail premises would have obviously costed her life! Tulsi was perhaps even ready to sacrifice for Maya -her dear life even! That was possibly because she loved Maya for her support & help when the Jailor was torturing her!
Maya read her mind clearly & used her as a sacrifice when needed!
You mentioned Karna example! Tulsi is a modern Karna ready to die for modern D -for her friendship!
Ofcourse,Maya did not forget to thank the dead woman for her help!
Nothing much was known about Mansi! So I can't comment much!
But atleast two persons loved Maya so much, as they had paid with their life-a supreme sacrifice- to demonstrate their love for her!

I can relate Jhanvi with Bhishma to some extent. Bhishma was bound to his vow and Jhanvi was bound to Ashwin's blind love. Karna was abandoned as a child and Maya was neglected and isolated as a child, knowing fully that she had temper issues. Such children should get more attention from their mothers and Jhanvi had failed miserably failed because she kept meeting Ashwin knowing the consequences of meeting him. Duryodhan gave a respectable life to Karna even if it is for his selfish motives which Kunti could have done it by revealing his truth and bringing him to the Pandavas side.

Originally posted by: kavsy

I can relate Jhanvi with Bhishma to some extent. Bhishma was bound to his vow and Jhanvi was bound to Ashwin's blind love. Karna was abandoned as a child and Maya was neglected and isolated as a child, knowing fully that she had temper issues. Such children should get more attention from their mothers and Jhanvi had failed miserably failed because she kept meeting Ashwin knowing the consequences of meeting him. Duryodhan gave a respectable life to Karna even if it is for his selfish motives which Kunti could have done it by revealing his truth and bringing him to the Pandavas side.

Maya didn't have any guidance. Whatever she has learned it was from life. But the first lesson comes from home which I don't think Jhanvi had spent time with her. A mother forgets her worries and problems looking at the child's innocence but that was not the case with Jhanvi.

Bhishma made a sacrifice for his father,stood firm in his resolve till his end & finally sacrificed his life defending a kingdom that he was given responsibility or more correctly he himself vowed to protect long ago!

He was loyal to Hastinapura till his end, even if he was forced to stand fighting for a side known for Adharma politics!
Jhanvi was primarily powerless to stop her monster husband as she took an easier option of going with her husband's diktat! In the process her daughter still survived to live, though painfully!
She lacked courage to fight a monster that was more a reason than the perception she did not love her daughter or some such thing!
Maya too was grateful to her despite her shortcomings as a good mother, before Arjun came in her life!
A spineless woman -even though she pointed a gun at her husband's forehead, at least onetime in her life- Jhanvi is no match to a very courageous warrior with great determination & mind control!
That is my opinion!

Originally posted by: Fernandes43

Bhishma made a sacrifice for his father,stood firm in his resolve till his end & finally sacrificed his life defending a kingdom that he was given responsibility or more correctly he himself vowed to protect long ago!

He was loyal to Hastinapura till his end, even if he was forced to stand fighting for a side known for Adharma politics!
Jhanvi was primarily powerless to stop her monster husband as she took an easier option of going with her husband's diktat! In the process her daughter still survived to live, though painfully!
She lacked courage to fight a monster that was more a reason than the perception she did not love her daughter or some such thing!
Maya too was grateful to her despite her shortcomings as a good mother, before Arjun came in her life!
A spineless woman -even though she pointed a gun at her husband's forehead, at least onetime in her life- Jhanvi is no match to a very courageous warrior with great determination & mind control!
That is my opinion!

Originally posted by: Fernandes43

In Maha bharata, who is the villain?
There were some but chief among them is Duryodhana!
Many might dislike him but some loved him too!
Karna, Dhritarashtra and Gandhari were some who loved him till the very end, apart from his 99 brothers & uncle etc!
Everyone had their reason to love him!
The one very fascinating thing that comes to my mind is about the approach of king Dhritarashtra when it came to deal things with his heir-apparent son!!
The King was a blind man, by nature!
But he still got an opportunity to rule the country!
As a good king, he was expected to be fair, just & unbiased to everyone in his kingdom while he ruled!
Was he really like that?
No, he suffered a serious handicap as he was proving himself as a blind king!
No, we are not talking about his physical vision or handicap!
But his mental faculty & common sense etc as he was very blind to ignore his son's sins!
Whatever crime or sin committed by Duryodhana was condoned and ignored by his father till his very end, in spite of numerous counseling ,pleadings & representation by elders in his court to the blind King!
He was acting more like a father than a king to all! So, every good advice only fell in deaf ears!
His love & affection for his son was so great, that everything got justified & ignored to safe guard & support his son's adharma activities!
Eventually,when the war became inevitable & his son fell in the war, he was completely a broken man! He was inconsolable! He was even seething with anger & had attempted to crush Bhima for killing his son- in a very controversial manner!

Well, that is the relevance of this piece of story which is anyway known to many?
Sometimes we do forget, in our blind love & affection that we may tend to lose our vision - to distinguish or differentiate good from bad!
Our extreme attachment or love for a particular thing or person would always try to find an excuse or reason to continue supporting, come what may!
It may not be fair, but still will continue to over-rule our rationality as what Dhritarashtra did in his son's case!
Persons with bad behaviour- if they turn out to be incorrigible & hopelessly bad, should we continue to show our support to them, in the name of love and affection?
That is the moot question!
Is there a lesson here, to take home from Mahabharata?
It is a food for thought!

Originally posted by: .Fragrance.

@bold - No, but then certain other questions also become really important... like

What turned them them ( Duryodhan or Maya ) to be incorrigible and hopelessly bad ?

Was it avoidable ? If yes then how ? If no, then why ?

What was the root cause that created vengeful characters like Duryodhan and Maya who became full of hatred and jealousy ??

Where did the society, system, family and law failed with respect to protecting and teaching these characters ?

Where did these characters failed themselves as an individuals and wasted the opportunity to become better citizens of the society.. ??

These questions also need to be discussed and should be a food for thought otherwise the society would end up creating more Mayas and Duryodhans..

A poisonous tree has to be cut from its very roots otherwise it might end up growing again and this time even more denser..

Each person has his or her own destiny, if you are a believer!
If you are not, & a rationalist to go by, then the rational explanation for that is
1.The circumstances of growing-up or environment
2.Inherited or heredity based traits
These are major influencing factors controlling or guiding the behaviour of individuals, according to sociologists!
Coming to our topic,
D was driven by jealousy towards Pandavas to start with! Then, he got greedy,arrogant and finally very vindictive!
M is driven by a fear gripping her from childhood! Her growing insecurities & her conviction to fight such fear with anything that came her way-literally by hook or crook approach- made her the way she is seen currently!
Maya's survival instinct became unfortunately her desperation driving her crazy!