Dance of Time and Illusion- New Thread Part 89 updated page 143 - Page 117

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@aditi what you told was even my thought when I analyzed season 1 about Saanjh. That she will show path because she is Prem's daughter. I believed that will be the path CVs take when she broke down after Prem's death. But the moment she sat and cried Arjun today is the test of your friendship I was like😕. From there that character lost meaning and there was no difference between her and Maya as far as obsession for Arjun goes.

I have not read GG, so dont know much abt Amy. My opinion is just based on the views I read on GG from fellow members.

Now coming to extra marital relations. See having an extra marital affair once or maybe twice due to circumstance induced thing is much better than emotionally torturing your wife day in day out going with a woman in name of friendship. Because in extra marital affair atleast the wife can tell she is wronged. Her voice will be heard. Here not defining his relation with Saanjh properly Arjun is exploiting both women and unfortunately both are allowing themselves to be exploited by this toy. Maya cannot tell, you should cut off friendship, it will be told it is the problem of her perspective. They are only friends. Just like the name Saanjh that Duffer -Dusky relation is in twilight zone which is destructive. It has to take one form. Here or there. Most importantly because Dusky feeling for Arjun is not platonic.

@Fernandes you wrote the only different character of the show. Ayan Sharma. A man whose life is destroyed because he trusted his brother and his brother left his hand for his wife. In a way he reprises the role of childhood Maya. Maya who trusted her mother, but the mother who always left the hand of her daughter who tried to protect her and went to her tormentor. That happened to Ayan also. His voice has to be heard. His pain has to be heard. There is no one to hear that. Everyone is about Arjun, not Ayan the man who really suffered in the hand of Maya. Because Prem died, Ayan is living with a stigma of a rapist which is really harsh. The real justice is when the stigma on that young man gets removed. And if Saanjh mata can spend some time on that she will get victory.

@aditi you are right. Samay is more dangerous to Saanjh family than Maya as he prefer to keep Saanjh between them so that he can have Maya. And the best way is to harm Saanjh family as Arjun will come running to her, if her family member is affected. But still Saanjh wants Samay's help. If I am right, Maya is going to use Samay's trick now, because she didnt take Rajiv's hand, she took Samay's hand when the question is asked will Rajiv allow me to get defeated and he tells no one has understood Samay, you have to walk with Samay. He doesnt tell whether she will win or lose.

@shruthiravi, if we talk about Nick, then Duffer is no different from Nick. Nick cheated Amy, he had an intimate relationship with another girl. But what wounded Amy - Nick had a relationship with this girl in the same way as with Amy. The same words, the same actions. It was emotional betrayal, not physical

@Laska Maya was not pregnant first time. She admitted it. Second time yes Arjun was the most important person because of which the baby died. But leave others, not once he pointed fingers at himself

Originally posted by: CutiepieAD

There's a huge difference btw the situations.

1) Maya was accepted by VM only when she was giving birth to her grand child, in a way she accepted her grand child, not Maya. Also by that time Maya hadn't killed anyone in their family.

2)Arjun forgave Maya for whatever she did as he loves her, his love was blind at a point of the story, no doubt abt that. Also he was staying with her on sympathy grounds.

Later he accepted her for their baby.

Finally when she killed VM, he stood up against her.

3) Rajiv is crazy. So leave him

4) Ayaan is the only righteous guy on this show, who fought for himself, a reason I love him so much. He even went against Arjun as he felt he's responsible for VMs death.

Now coming to Saanjh forgiving Samay. Samay had killed her father, she loved her dad so much, father daughter relationship was shown very well! When Arjun couldn't forgive his own wife for killing her step mom, how can Saanjh forgive her so called fiancee for killing her own dad? Also he had kidnapped her bro.

More than Maya, Samay was dangerous for her family. Maya hadn't done much to her family(except Prem's murder for which both Maya n Samay were responsible), Maya's crimes were directed towards Arjun n his family, not Saanjh n her family, but Saanjh as usual chose the Sharma's over her own family

Vandana & Arjun accepted Maya only for the sake of bandar, after Samay's anchor piercing incident! True! But still they did!
Particularly Vandana took a stand to even support Maya when Ayaan did not believe that Maya could ever change when story resumed after her return from asylum!
It will be another untold mystery why Vandana could not soften her attitude towards Maya when her bahu announced the news of her pregnancy for the first time in S1 - if she becoming a grand mother in her life was supposed to excite her so much!

What was so special about second pregnancy, particularly after Maya
a)trapped Ayan in a false rape attempt case & put him in jail, ruining totally his life!
b)tortured Vandana by crushing her fingers in door hinge & scared her like anything!
c)when she certified Maya that she was only buri and not bimari!
d)threatened her along with Saanjh to shoot down with her gun & forced her to run back to Mathur's house!
It will be never known why she was only so biased in welcoming her second (VM had no clue really that first one was fake, till her very last moments before death!) would be-grand child, unlike the first one?
Whatever it is, Vandana could move on, in her life putting behind past animosity towards her bahu, right?

Don't know, if Vandana provided the inspiration to Saanjh too! Because, Saanjh also could forget & forgive everything and even made vain attempts to pacify a belligerent Ayaan, whenever he was seething with pent-up anger towards Maya!

So, when Arjun & Vandana believed that Maya had indeed changed, Saanjh too thought so, till she saw Ayaan in the pool of blood!

Now comes the question of teaming up with her father's murderer! Maya teamed up with Rajiv not once but thrice at various points of time, knowing fully well what kind of low life he was! Particularly, when the so called dedicated wife was in beyhadh love with her husband, her umpteen meetings with her ex-lover, with a clear intent to stoke his illicit & immoral passions that guided him to do all kind of dirty jobs manifesting out of her selfish designs were not exactly great examples of morality of a true & loyal wife one wishes to be! But why compare Maya with Saanjh, it is given - Maya is bad & mad, so let us not take that route!
Is Saanjh right in aligning with Rajiv? Well, is it right for Arjun to align with Rajiv ?
Perhaps the duffer is not all that naive as we tend to think! If the wife can do business with a man whom her husand detests & blames as a reason for the break-down of their marital ties, then why not the husband, himself follow the foot steps of his wife, emulating her great manipulative skills, only to make her feel proud about his skills for a change?
If Arjun & Maya can both do business with Rajiv, why not then, Saanjh too?
After all, her life is always interlinked with them, isn't so?
Oh, yeah! Samay pretended to be in love with her while he was actually working for Maya & even went on to kill her father!
Can't she turn the tables against Maya & Samay, now? Can she not fool Maya -at least once- that Rajiv was only doing Maya's job while he actually switched over to other side, thereby helping them to expose her real face to the world?
In political parlance, such a tactical move is known as raj tantra!
If ordinary criminal lawyer like Saanjh uses such a trick, it is just a ploy or trap to catch a bigger thief!

Will Saanjh succeed in these maneuvers or it will be again Maya's game?
Only time will tell & not Samay as he might not be alive to speak this time!
Rajiv aka Samay is all set to pay the price soon -for aligning with Saanjh -a key & intelligent move by Saanjh, that is going to prove one sure way of bringing justice & peace to the soul of her departed but always beloved father!

@Fernandes of course Saanjh can. The only point Aditi raised is, if Saanjh makes alliance with her father's killer what is the difference between her and Maya. Everyone is looking at a difference between them.

@shruthiravi, I know that Maya admitted that the first time it was a lie about pregnancy. But I'm talking about Duffer. She kicked Dusky out of his life, but as soon as Dusky returned after three years in his life, he immediately forgive and forget that Dusky had killed his child. He took her hand and went with her, he went with her to Ayan, and then to VM. At this point, he didn't know that there was no pregnancy. And he forgave Dusky. He forgot about baby's death. He forgot that Dusky pushed Maya off the stairs. He forgave killing of his own child

Originally posted by: Fernandes43

Vandana & Arjun accepted Maya only for the sake of bandar, after Samay's anchor piercing incident! True! But still they did!

Particularly Vandana took a stand to even support Maya when Ayaan did not believe that Maya could ever change when story resumed after her return from asylum!
It will be another untold mystery why Vandana could not soften her attitude towards Maya when her bahu announced the news of her pregnancy for the first time in S1 - if she becoming a grand mother in her life was supposed to excite her so much!

What was so special about second pregnancy, particularly after Maya
a)trapped Ayan in a false rape attempt case & put him in jail, ruining totally his life!
b)tortured Vandana by crushing her fingers in door hinge & scared her like anything!
c)when she certified Maya that she was only buri and not bimari!
d)threatened her along with Saanjh to shoot down with her gun & forced her to run back to Mathur's house!
It will be never known why she was only so biased in welcoming her second (VM had no clue really that first one was fake, till her very last moments before death!) would be-grand child, unlike the first one?
Whatever it is, Vandana could move on, in her life putting behind past animosity towards her bahu, right?

Don't know, if Vandana provided the inspiration to Saanjh too! Because, Saanjh also could forget & forgive everything and even made vain attempts to pacify a belligerent Ayaan, whenever he was seething with pent-up anger towards Maya!

So, when Arjun & Vandana believed that Maya had indeed changed, Saanjh too thought so, till she saw Ayaan in the pool of blood!

Now comes the question of teaming up with her father's murderer! Maya teamed up with Rajiv not once but thrice at various points of time, knowing fully well what kind of low life he was! Particularly, when the so called dedicated wife was in beyhadh love with her husband, her umpteen meetings with her ex-lover, with a clear intent to stoke his illicit & immoral passions that guided him to do all kind of dirty jobs manifesting out of her selfish designs were not exactly great examples of morality of a true & loyal wife one wishes to be! But why compare Maya with Saanjh, it is given - Maya is bad & mad, so let us not take that route!
Is Saanjh right in aligning with Rajiv? Well, is it right for Arjun to align with Rajiv ?
Perhaps the duffer is not all that naive as we tend to think! If the wife can do business with a man whom her husand detests & blames as a reason for the break-down of their marital ties, then why not the husband, himself follow the foot steps of his wife, emulating her great manipulative skills, only to make her feel proud about his skills for a change?
If Arjun & Maya can both do business with Rajiv, why not then, Saanjh too?
After all, her life is always interlinked with them, isn't so?
Oh, yeah! Samay pretended to be in love with her while he was actually working for Maya & even went on to kill her father!
Can't she turn the tables against Maya & Samay, now? Can she not fool Maya -at least once- that Rajiv was only doing Maya's job while he actually switched over to other side, thereby helping them to expose her real face to the world?
In political parlance, such a tactical move is known as raj tantra!
If ordinary criminal lawyer like Saanjh uses such a trick, it is just a ploy or trap to catch a bigger thief!

Will Saanjh succeed in these maneuvers or it will be again Maya's game?
Only time will tell & not Samay as he might not be alive to speak this time!
Rajiv aka Samay is all set to pay the price soon -for aligning with Saanjh -a key & intelligent move by Saanjh, that is going to prove one sure way of bringing justice & peace to the soul of her departed but always beloved father!

Exactly Aditi. The healthy politics, making of alliances with like minded people whom Maya has destroyed would have helped her. Shipra would have been the first point. Then why cant she speak to Jhanvi to get clues and follow clues. Especially on the look alike. Then Ayan's GF is there, she is not shown. Use her the right way to get information from mental hospital. That girl had trusted Ayan, so she should have been an accomplice. If Maya is alive, Ayan was not in jail. Make some plan with him to get some clues on where this woman went. But what we got was crying. And more crying 😆😆. And the most irritating funda we get is, this woman does nothing and the moment Arjun does something or someone else does something against Maya she flashes the most arrogant smile. I had to say I felt really happy when Maya gave that kick to Saanjh for that arrogant smile.

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@Fernandes of course Saanjh can. The only point Aditi raised is, if Saanjh makes alliance with her father's killer what is the difference between her and Maya. Everyone is looking at a difference between them.

See this same funda was played in Cinevistaas Ek Hasina Thi. What is the difference between Sakshi and Durga. What is the difference between Shaurya and Dev. Especially when Durga decides to marry Shaurya the rapist of Payal there was not a single person in the forum who wanted Duga to win and we all rooted for Sakshi big time.EHT had a very strong character in Dr Dayal who puts the breaks on Durga's blind run on revenge destroying herself. What Beyhadh lacks is the equivalent of Dr Dayal. Someone who is soft, yet harsh, someone who cares, but doesnt control, someone who motivates, but doesnt tell false praise. He was the foundation of that whole story who puts Durga back in the ring to fight every time she loses confidence.

Again Shaurya and Dev it showed how they treated the ladies in their lifes. Mother, friend, wife, sister. One valued, other used and where life takes a man who values a woman and where life takes a man who degrades a woman. So the difference was there. His foundation was his mother Suchitra

What we miss in Beyhadh is Dayal the father and Suchitra the mother. We have them in Prem and Suman. But their voice is not heard and it is not firm enough.