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Posted: 8 years ago
#21
mads-that was a long essay
this is the longest And best essay i have read about dissecting a FL😆
comparing meera with modern art is the best thing you did
meera is definitely a bundle of contradictions herself bt i don't feel her inconsistent as many do.
For me,she and abhishek are equally well written characters.

You are right i also won't be surprised if she realizes her feelings for abhishek on a spur of moment and breaks her engagement with d-bag Aman.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Mads- You writing essays annoy me to one level when I can have something else. But I disagree with Meera, she is inconsistent, not just her but the people around her. I used to feel about her like you said, that there is something endearing , there is that but it's not consistent . Nor do i buy the demanding,family ka dukh which is clearly not that well written or have been invested much by the makers compared to Abhi.
I loved the line when she said first , "mein khush rahna chahti hu"..I get it but I don't see her drawing back to it. I also don't think she isn't capable enough to think beyond the point. She did that many times with Aman, to her sister about him , she does that repeatedly many times but then the point is the writers never focus on it but rather go back to ignoring it , transitions is where they loose her many times. Don't even get me started on how wayward the family graph has been for her. I think I get the frustrations of her family from her to as much as I can understand her situation..it's not easy for anyone . Nor do I think it would be for her with Pants without her money/name or even with Abhi ( this is the hazy one). They really do need to spend some time on Meera, just her and her insecurities with her family, bond or anything. This is the same girl who noticed Rohan's situation when he first approached her and touched her hand . She is almost unaware of everything else. That flip flopping is what is annoying.

This girl handled the Pants' interrogation and the way she diffused the tension when the bhabhis started fighting..that basic earnest gyaan and understanding of a situation. A while back she told madhu how her daughter was fighting over a silly lipstick or something..sometimes ..you do notice that she does pick on these things..toh i don't buy the way they turn her off from Yograj, Aman or whatever.

Also, she is for now pretty much cliched too in her way- Sacrificing for family love, marrying suddenly and all gyaani with quirks. What made her endearing for me was this constant balance where they gave her those meaningful dlgs and changed your POV of viewing things. That is what I miss. Meera has stopped bringing that another POv of things which she was doing earlier.


On hazy mirage Abhi has for Meera. Love would grow and it should evolve but I don't think there is love yet. Yes even for Abhi, whatever he feels is his impression of a girl who makes him smile and listens. Bas, abhi wohi hai..not a bad thing but they rarely, once or twice only, has taken them beyond that.


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Genie, yaar, this took me a whole of 20 mins to wrote, that other something would take 5-6 hrs of a day...trust me, if i could, i would give it to you...but right now i really cant.. 🤗

Coming back to your post, i get your point about inconsistencies when it comes to having that intuitive feelings and her presence of mind- if she could do it for rohan and the pant family feuds, why not for aman or yograj for that matter? Yograj at this point is a badly written character, the only thing holding him currently is PJ's portrayal of Abhi's angst, rest everything is just too disconnected- so expecting meera to have an intuition there would probably be a bit too much. About Aman- I don't know honestly if there is anything to realize at this point, considering she has a single-minded agenda to marry him, come what may...she doesn't care about the type of guy he is, especially after her sister convincing her that you should get to know the other person and it happens only with time, she has seen her sister wct servile towards her would-be husband, so how can she behave otherwise? She does find moments to be herself though, question her sister why she should be behaving in a prticular manner etc, but her otherwise sacrificial behavior does appear contradictory to all of the previous mature and unsacrificial ways in which she dealt with situations...celebrating Abhi's bday right on the day that her would be in-laws are visiting her being the worst bit of stupidity from her-why marry Aman when she clearly feels so much for Abhi? but then, despite all of that, i do find her ways endearing, maybe it is Namita's measured acting or maybe it is just that i find the fact that I don't understand meera all that well, endearing-if you know what I mean. She is an enigma and I don't even want to understand her...the extra zeal that comes and goes is enough for me.

Anyway, but you are right- they could and probably should, spend more time and invest more on developing even those nuances and quirks of her- alas, all the shows focus more on development of ML and this show toh comes with the title of bade bhaiyya ki dulhania- I hadn't even expected to like the FL to this extent, so i would say you don't hope much from the kind of development and growth or consistency that you are craving for won't happen to the extent that you want it to...the show's concept is more about how this girl changes the lives of bade bhaiyya and his family, not about her per say.

I do feel terrible, though, that they have reduced rohan to a caricature...that pains me more than anything else does at this point. Abhi-Rohan and Meera-Rohan arcs could have been done so much more beautifully and would have taken the story a notch higher.
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Posted: 8 years ago
#24
Oh and yes, it is definitely a hazy image currently for Abhi, but in my opinion it's not a mirage, he knows exactly who Meera is and what it is about her that he likes so much...or should i say, he knows who she isn't and loves her despite that..of course deep love will develop only eventually, but for a guy like him who has grown up faster than his oeers, no time for love all throughout his life, categorizing it as love becomes easier and faster because he has no preconceived ideas about love and how a relationship should be.
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Posted: 8 years ago
#25

Originally posted by: charminggenie

I have missed this.

Meera- This right there is the problem I have with the show. just this one. i had no pre-concieved notions. I am a little hard on quirky FLs in general because I feel with time the desi shows make them annoying. But she was different. She was as you said Simple. Hence the hook. But I could see the show was setting up Abhi, his family which is fair enough, that is their A-story for now but I feel apart from Abhi , they haven't really spend time sketching others .Especially Meera.

There is a lot of rush to her. Inconsistencies in terms of reactions and how they play off her arc. Here is the girl who probably is sad and upset about not fitting in with her over-achiever family. I get that. But then we started the show where she had flunked twice yet on her instant whim the family sort of bought into her idea of marrying. It was absurd and honestly Riya was right , Meera went with the flow of the conversation. It wasn't her family who was gunning for marriage, pressurizing her , it wasn't even their idea but hers. Toh, I don't get this shaadi as the deal breaker. Here is a girl who has flirted with lot many things, got away from flunking twice and won her family with earnest honesty and some lovely bits then. That conversation in that hall was something special. The father was listening to the daughter. The mother tried rationalizing the choice . Riya was like a worried sister who probably couldn't wrap her mind around the idea of Meera fitting in the marriage mould. That is why issue , suddenly now we see the flip. This marriage becomes the end-all. Her dad is all over the place with it. Mother meeker. I get Riya's apprehensions too but we are forgetting or the show is that it was Meera's idea in the first place.

Here is the girl who spoke about "doing what makes you happy". I don't know if her reactions to Aman has been consistent at all. She knows she doesn\'t fit. She probably would fail to fit in . Sometimes in her argument with Riya she showed an awareness of this . Her flinching at his touch . One night she runs away from the party saying Aman and she don't fit , yet next moment in the morning she is already calling Aman fiance. I get Riya's convo before that but thats Meera. Fluttering around. How do i take her issues or her mind-set seriously at this point or ever? It seems sometimes they are unnecessarily trying to give her that rejected child story which is becoming contriving for me. Gosh, didn't mean to be so harsh on her but I don't know. I feel they switch on-off with this character a lot.
Everyone can sense the undercurrent with Aman's family when she celebrated the b'day. It's a kind , goody gesture but given how Meera is trying to go through this Aman rhista for her family, would she skip this basic etiquette? Or is she that unaware .

Her equation with Abhi. I see it as friendship. There are moments because Abhi is the good listener all around, the sensitive one , he would listen to her but you see they never scratch more on Meera's issues . Great point you made in that Mads's post or in the AT, is she aware of the sensitivity of Yograj-Abhi equation? I don't know if I would be able to buy her understanding Abhi's dilemma , his trouble with his dad , even though they will give them that scene .

I miss that Meera who was simple but had those wise moments of looking at things differently. I miss that.
You know what I would have liked, Meera recognizing what mistake she made by starting the shaadi thing, going back to finding that happiness for herself and just owning up her shit to her family and talking to them. That I want. Because as much as I find Aman annoying, I feel this juggernaut is rolling because of Meera, herself.

Her family doesn't hate her . Atleast initially they weren't distant to her needs as well, they listened to her , so I cannot buy that a dad who agreed to his daughter's will even after she failed twice, would be harsh on her now or is tyrant that she suddenly cannot talk to.


Abhi- perfection. PJ nails him. Best written by far and really the anchor of the show.


Realization- Hmm, I wrote it before. I get his crush, falling in love phase but I don't know if I can rally behind the idea of love he has for Meera. I don't know if that makes sense but at this point. I feel they are in the "honeymoon phase". This is why I wanted a solid 1-2 week for Meera to develop more, so that I could see Abhi's POV of Meera, that for me is right now muddled up.


Gaah, AY, I hate not knowing my FL. It's like everytime I see her , they add or subtract something. This is why I am confused.




Just a quick thought, I always felt some symptoms of slight inclination towards Asperger's in Meera's character. If you have seen Big Bang theory and Sheldon Cooper, you might get what I am saying.

Meera is not being obtuse on purpose (Sheldon is not intentionally mean, he does not get what others feel or perceive).

Somewhere she is similar to Rohan. She does not realize a lot of things but at the same time, she can be really wise due to the same reason.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: DivanIshraru

@anu,you have said it all
Nothing more to add
Abhi is simple person for who is not fighting with the concept of love or any other emotion.
As you said,meera is the first dream he allowed himself after giving up his engineering dream,even after knowing the dream is unachievable.
Meera is like a ray of sunlight who just came into his life and lit up his life
Meera is the girl who found out the difference between abhishek's formal smile and real smile,which indirectly means she was the first person who taught her to smile and laugh.
Before meera came into his life,abhishek was living a monotonous life handling homestay and family bt meera bought the freshness into his life which taught him to smile,dream and think about himself.


This brings to me the dialogue that abhishek once said to meera,
baag me chahe phool kitne hi ache kyu na khile ho.jhoomte tab hi hai jab thande hawa ka jhonka aata hai"
Meera came to life like that breath of freah air which taught him to smile,laugh and think about himself.


what you said today in your post, PJ said the same in his IV when he was asked why does abhishek loves meera.he also said, "meera usko khush rakhti hai.uski family ki care karti hai.aur wo sab karti hai jo aaj tk kisi ne nahi kiya abhishek ke liye.she is a wonderful human bieng with a big heart"

Even in the birthday iv,PJ said,"aaj tk kisi ne usko itna special nahi feel karwaya"

It's meera's choti choti harkate whoch gives abhi choti choti khushiya and he falls more for her day by day.

As far as meera's realization goes,she needs a jolt to know her feelings. She also has feelings for abhi like we saw yesterday bt she wl need a jolt like abhi getting engaged or some jealousy angle,although it's cliche bt lets see cvs can surprise us.



Aww such a sweet line...when did Abhi say that to Meera? I'm not being able to recall :S


PJ toh maha gyaani Baba hain...achhe se sab explain kar dete hain😆



Re: Meera...yeah I'm also waiting to see how they will show things for Meera...thing is, even in a cliched scenario, Meera's "Meera-ness" will stand out to make it somewhat different hopefully😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: spidie




Rofl!! Thanks for posting this.This is the exact thing I remembered 😳😆 Inko kuchh bhi puchh lo they have the same answer. Season 2 ka koi dialogue yaad hai? Simplicity...😆

And here you go, bringing another perspective to the debate...you think the build up was fine but you didn't like the STARTING point for the realization...the convo with Sanjay...hahaha we can keep this going on and on😆...they can't make all of us happy at the same time, hence proved😆




I finally managed to listen to the full song aaraam se...totally loving it now

Love these lines:

"Udne se rok paaye, pehra na koi
Sang tere main maanoon daayra na koi"


So fitting for Abhi's feelings...


Oh and these ones:

"Jaane kaisa rishta hai, tere mere beech mein
Kahin rahoon paas tere, laaye dil kheench re


...na mera kasoor ve, na tera kasoor ve"


Aww such a cuteee song...ok I'm having a delayed reaction now😆...Finally ripped the audio too :)



I love the song and lyrics😊 and I love love that line
Udne se rok paaye, Pehra na koi...



I hope they play the whole version again soon.




LOLL ofcourse they couldn't recall anything from season 2...who can blame them...I loved this IV...miss them.


Re: Song...yeah I'm hoping they play the full version again too...wonder if Meera will get a female version of the song to describe her feelings...but somehow the male version has become settled in my head...lol
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: mads

Loved the post, Anu..thanks a lot for making it.

Meera might be hazy for you and me, but not for Abhi. He is such a simplistic person, all he can see at this moment is, the girl cared for him and his family in so many different ways, somethings that should be unimportant for a mere guest at the pant bhavan home stay:
1. celebrated rohan's bday

2.made sure the pant bhavan homestay property tax deadline was extended

3.Stopped that writer stephanie from leaving pant bhavan homestay

4.keeps on ensuring that Abhi is happy, he is smiling and he is okay. In the forest too, she burnt her clothes and wasted her perfume just to make sure Abhi was okay. No doubt it would look random and stupid to you and me, but for Abhi in that moment, all that mattered is how much the girl cares for him, possibly as much as nobody had cared.

5.Inspired the cousins to think beyond themselves (remember they all wanted to contribute at one point out of their piggy banks during the stephanie haadsa?)


If i watch all the epis then i will definitely find many more such small things that she has done out of her whim and fancies and her ping-pong ish nature, but all of those things nonetheless, seem selfless to Abhi. He doesn't care for her inconsistencies, he adores her despite that, rather, he doesn't even see all of that at the moment. For him, Meera=a girl who spreads laughter happiness by her selfless deeds.

For a guy who loves his family so much, or even someone else too, if they care for you so much, how can you not fall in love with them?

Surely, this might be the beginning of an infatuation or crush or whatever you may call it, but a guy like Abhi who has zero experience in romantic relationships will but obviously categorize his feelings as love- its puppy love or pehla pyaar. He loves her for what she brings to his life, it's as simple as that. For him, it lies somewhere between being smitten by her and falling deeply and irrevocably in love with her, after all, that is how all relationships begin. The depth comes in later as they interact more and more with each other. Whether those inconsistencies in her are a problem in their later part of relationship, who knows? Yes, they might be and probably they will-but that doesn't mean he cannot realize his feelings for her now. You are right, Anu...love is always a work in progress. No matter at what point you realize it, the growth is steady and over the time, especially if it is one that culminates into shaadi. So even if Abhi's love...or infatuation (if you will), is right now at a superficial level, considering the kind of guy he is, it will develop into deeper emotions only eventually.

Right now, he has just scratched the surface when it comes to Meera, when she reciprocates his feelings, that is when the real journey will start. Sure, love as in romantic love is only defined and realized when the other person feels it too, but there are some forms of love that are beyond any such conventional definitions- meera inspires abhi to become a little more selfish and fight for his own happiness than before. Now this show doesnt stress too much on it, but it is glaringly obvious if you read between the lines- also, full credit to PJ for this: his dialogue in friday epi, where he says to yogi uncle "itna toh main maang hi sakta hoon khud ke liye" is such a wonderful 360 from "main bas sabko khush rakhna chahta hoon".. This is what Meera's love and her presence in his life did to him, only he has realized it faster than other guys would, but i find this consistent with his character sketch so far.


Now this was Meera from Abhi point of view.

Apne aap mein toh Meera is no doubt a bunch of contradictions and i get it why people cannot connect with her- it is because if you try to rationalize her actions, it would be impossible to do so, hence she seems so inconsistent and lame. Meera is like modern art- you see something in the picture for a moment, its there and then in a flash, it's gone. The colours are a mismatch with one another, the shapes do not fit in perfectly to give you a feel of a real picture, unlike contemporary art you cannot dissect this one and explain to someone else why you saw what you saw. You just either accept it the way it is or you dont.. Now this might seem to some as a rather sophisticated way to say that a character was badly written, lol..but somehow, be it the narrative or the acting or direction, this modern art appeals to me a lot. I find her endearing, her bunch of contradictions are absolutely fascinating. When she says "main bas khush rehna chahti hoon", she means she WANTS to find happiness or is trying to find happiness in every situation, whatever life throws at her, not that she does that already, it's her longtime wish or dream- to be happy and satisfied in whatever she does, to be around people who tell her it's okay to do so..


.but what separates her from other FLs her type is her deeply seeded insecurities about not being good enough for her family, not living upto their expectations, being a failure in their eyes...all of these far supercede what would have otherwise seemed a confident, happy-go-lucky persona, that would not even think about stepping into such a seemingly lifeless marriage that is doomed to end in unhappiness. Par woh itna duur ki nahin soch rahi hai, Meera is craving for her family's love and respect and right now she thinks the only way to do so is by getting married...look how easily she agreed to get married in the first place.. Who does that?! This is the basic difference between her definition of happiness and with other FLs, who wouldn't compromise for their personal happiness with anything else. For meera, happiness is gaining her parents' love and confidence. Because her parents weren't around to pat her back when she was failing, to tell her that it is okay to be herself and that she doesn't need to uphold the family name. Sure, they accept her, love her, are patient with her, let her be, let her do all those 6-month courses etc...but somewhere keep on hoping ki "woh sudhar jaaye"...what they don't get is that, there is nothing to sudharofy here. And if there is, they are not doing a great job at inspiring that change by forcing her to do something.


The reason she finds a connection with Abhi is because of how he so easily told her that she doesn't have to necessarily be successful in life, be confident and smart and knowledgeable to feel good about herself. When he gave the analogy about failure pahad, he again spoke of exactly that- the pahad is still and does nothing, all it does is that it gives happiness and some much neede peace and quiet to it's visitors..and sometimes, some people need just that-someone who would stand by you, like a solid rock, support you through thick and thin and keep on caring for you no matter what the circumstances are...and Meera, for all her inconsistencies is exactly that. She isn't stable like the rock, but her affections for the people she cares about, are. Her unwavering loyalty, albeit, only to those she considers her apne log- are the only consistent feature in her otherwise weird and "inconsistent" character, look at her from this POV and you will suddenly start to see the alignment of the colours and shapes in this modern art.

Phew! That was a long essay, but a much needed one... Thanks again, for this post. 🤗



Thanks for the lovely essay, Mads🤗


I especially loveddd these bits in bold...the modern art analogy for Meera👏😆...I totally get you on that...it really has come down to that for me also...I can't describe it but I just adore her, period now...complete with all the random tubelight harkatein she does...even her flighty harkatein have something indescribably endearing about them...I feel like simultaneously facepalming at her antics and pulling her cheeks😆



Dunno if a lot of this now comes from what Namita brings to the character too...but ab toh dil mein ghar kar liya hai :)


And I loved the point you made about Abhi too...he doesn't seem to have dated much in life so for him the obvious instant conclusion would be that he loves Meera...it's all pretty simple and straightforward actually😆...who thinks of things like inconsistencies etc. when they are falling for someone...Pyar toh bas ho jaata hai😛...reality checks come in later...lol.



Genie is trying to apply serious debate analysis to desi shows😆...this is what happens jab kisi ne ek hi desi show follow kiya ho dhang se life mein😆...she needs to follow a few more to understand ki itna "real life" analysis maarne ka koi faayda nahin😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: mads

About Meera realizing her love for Abhi...lol, I won't be surprised if it turns into something completely dramatic as running out of her own wedding etc.. There is no underlying attraction for her, she just feels super comfy and happy to be in his company, she finds a connection with him...but despite all the friend zoning, she cares for him and his happiness enough to jeopardize the one thing that would make her family happy (in her eyes atleast).. Perhaps, the last one will prompt her realization? It is obvious she has never been in love before, considering how normally confused she is, I wouldn't be surprised if this takes even longer... All she knows is she cares for him and likes him as a friend..

Shaadi won't happen until abhi makes sure she loves him too...that's for sure.



I wouldn't say there is no underlying attraction...more like she isn't aware of it...it's all jumbled up in the friendship, the joy she feels in his presence...she's the kind of person who just flows along...and to actually be aware of the attraction, she will have to take a pause. Instead, what she actually ends up doing is running headlong in whatever direction suits her whim that particular day😆...


But I feel like for her, attraction developed post that convo in the jungle epis...she was viewing him differently after that...and all the "trip-catches"...lol I suppose have been put in to show the awareness on her part but they don't dwell too much on those thankfully.


Given that she's never been in love before, she will probably take longer to recognize it as you said...also, just a theory...but I feel like Meera considers herself unlovable in some ways...the "toota kanchaa" analogy if you will...she probably doesn't stop to introspect how anyone, especially Abhi could fall in love with her. She's a very innocent soul that way...most of her energies are spent in trying to figure out how to be happy and make her parents proud.


Re: shaadi...lol let's see...there is this strong unspoken bond between them that Abhi is definitely aware of...he sees the way she reaches out for him again and again...but he steps back because as you said Meera "friend-zones" him 😆...he's probably waiting for a more obvious sign from Meera before pursuing this.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: mads

but then, despite all of that, i do find her ways endearing, maybe it is Namita's measured acting or maybe it is just that i find the fact that I don't understand meera all that well, endearing-if you know what I mean. She is an enigma and I don't even want to understand her...the extra zeal that comes and goes is enough for me.



THIS👏...Dude, I get you...I so get you on this point...it's exactly what I feel too...I can't fully get a sense of her and somehow that's endearing too...she's enigmatic in her own way and somehow there is a charm in just taking it as it comes with her...there's a charm in not being able to make sense of her😆
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