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Posted: 10 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: sashashyam

You, young lady, are a revelation! I have rarely read a comment in this forum that is so clear and coherent, so well worded, and with such impeccable grammar and syntax. I know I sound like an English language schoolteacher, but I am a purist in such matters, and the kind of stuff that abounds here and elsewhere these days sets my teeth on edge. You were like a good inch of soothing Sensodyne!๐Ÿ˜‰๐Ÿ‘

So it is I who should thank you. I liked some parts in your post very much - either for being so sensible or so neatly put or both - and I have highlighted them in dark blue. My supplementary comments are in red.

Shyamala (Aunty? but whatever you like, my dear)

Well, as she is the heroine, the ironclad rule is that she will keep getting into dangerous situations, plaguing the hero in the process, but will never actually get bumped off, this being neither Romeo and Juliet or Hamlet.

Our memories are fallible and selective many a time, so Ananya could have filtered it out because it didn't really add up. A very neat and telling formulation that is spot on.

Yes, and I only hope she does not blab about it with the wrong person within earshot.

An airline company can be a front for many criminal activities, above all for a drug smuggling racket which would be, taking volume vs value, both very easy to handle and extremely lucrative. Next, the proceeds of such a racket can and are used to fund terrorist activities. I think that the bottom line is a planned terrorist attack - perhaps using bioweapons like anthrax or even a smuggled miniature nuclear weapon, thought that is more dicey because of the need for bulky shielding and complex timers. Remember that at the end of the donor heart episode, Akash's superior talks of thousands or lakhs of lives being at stake. It has to be something on a mass scale, not just RDX explosions, unless one is thinking of dozens of them countrywide.

Thank you very, very much, my dear. My posts are an acquired taste, so I am always touched by such warm praise from a new reader.

As for your well taken point re: standalone threads being far more accessible, I would be ready to do separate threads for Airlines,as I used to do so for Jodha Akbar till April last. After that, I had no interest in posting episode analyses here as I did not like the way the place was run. I did 20 consecutive episode analyses for all the 20 episodes of Yudh, however.

Now that I am being asked to do standalone episode analyses for Airlines, by you and some others, the problem is that the powers that be here have a penchant for pulling me up for anything and nothing, invariably taking me unawares. The last such rap on the knuckles was for discussing Akbar's siege of Chittor on, if I am not wrong, Mandy's thread. Now I did not know that historical discussions have, in that forum, the Jodha Akbar one, to be confined to a single designated thread. But ignorance of the law is not a valid defence in the courts, and similarly, ignorance of the rules would not be a valid defence in that forum either, I suppose. So, bingo, I was socked with another increase in my warning level, and now I cannot do stand alone threads.

This would normally not bother me much, as I was not interested in posting episode analyses on anything, but now Khushi has got me into this and I am stuck. I am afraid you will have to catch my takes on her threads for the present, but I promise to PM you, so at least you will not miss them.






Thank you very much for your kind reply. I am going to call you Shyamala aunty haq se from now on. ๐Ÿ˜ƒ


And I find myself blushing endlessly on reading the first part of your post. ๐Ÿ˜ณ๐Ÿ˜ณ๐Ÿ˜ณ It's a huge compliment, because I have always admired your diction and the sparkling humour in your posts. I especially look out for Shakespearean references; I think you referred to Natasha as a 'harpy' in one of your posts and I was endlessly tickled by that. Each and every word in your post is carefully thought of and used, as if it were a magician daintily casting a spell with her words. And your analyses are so delightfully coherent and thought-provoking! So a compliment like this coming from a wordsmith like you is just...I am going with a word that is hopelessly misused and employed repetitively by my generation- AWESOME!!! ๐Ÿ˜›๐Ÿ˜‰



Your observations on the kind of shady and illegal activities that can take place in a private airline company, and its probable implications for national security are very valid. As you have rightly pointed out, Akash seems to be dealing with something of an unforeseeable magnitude. (Biological warfare? Interesting!๐Ÿ˜Š)I can only hope that the plot showcases all the requisite elements in a juicy way and gives us viewers something memorable regarding Akash's espionage activities.




I used to be a silent reader on the JA forum, and I was wondering where you'd been. I don't watch it nowadays, though. I also get your hesitation about making separate threads after getting your fingers burnt I can relate perfectly to that because I went through a similarly unpleasant experience with a global moderator in my early days on IF. I am probably going to get a rap on my knuckles myself for saying this outright, but some people take their roles way too seriously on IF๐Ÿ˜ƒ I've been here since 2009; and still many rules still do not make sense to me at all. They are more than often ambiguous and illogical. I get the obvious ones against bashing and inflammatory stuff, but the others, no.๐Ÿฅฑ



Thanks for offering to PM me. That's very sweet of you. And now that I know where I can find your analyses, I am content. ๐Ÿ˜ณ Take care :)



And silly me, I forget to introduce myself- I am Amrutha๐Ÿ˜Š
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Just a thought Amrutha & Shyamala Akka...not related to this topic of course..

Do we always need a macho-woman to prove women are strong..I guess not. I cannot also say that the serials that we have on the idiot box today are out of the world. In real life you have such things happening. These saas-bahu drama that they show on TV is do draw inspiration from real-life but probably go sometimes too melodramatic.The only thing I hate when they show the protagonist to be all perfect-the perfect homemaker, the perfect daughter-in-law, because in reality we have our own flaws and cannot be all perfect. You hate those docile females but at a later point of time I look back and think that do I give-back as well as I get..the so-called urban educated , well travelled, modern woman..no I don't sometimes for the family , sometimes for peace , sometimes because my parents want me to do that since they belong to the old school of thought.
To me a strong woman is one who stays amidst all this and becomes strong , resilient and is still able to support somebody who needs help. I draw my inspiration from my boss who a simple lady to be easily lost in a crowd but she inspires me each day to fight not against anybody but for my identity, for the person I am.I remember when I was going through one of the rough patches of my life she was the only one who stood by me. Although childless till date she kept saying-"You are not born to be just a mother, you are a woman of substance, you are an individual and you cannot be judged only by your womb's capabilities". These are women who work in the same middle class society that we operate in but still instill a sense of confidence in you. So, I relate to Ananya here and I do not want her macho but the strong , resilient person to be showcased..where she does not distinguish between the gender ..Natasha or Capt. Rathore oppression,manhandling..she should be able to bypass them with or without help from Akash.
Not sure I conveyed what I wanted or its just a blabber..sorry if it sounds so..
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Posted: 10 years ago
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What is possible? Do let me know, unless it is some arcane secret meant only for your little cabal!๐Ÿ˜‰

Shyamala Aunty



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Posted: 10 years ago
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Yes, my dear Sampa, I agree with you about this kind of simple but strong, resilient and very capable women - your boss, my mother, Melanie Wilkes in Gone with the Wind - the list is endless. They are the salt of the earth, the ones who, as Chairman Mao (himself an unregenerate MCP!) used to say for public consumption, hold up half the sky.

Moreover, I never said that Ananya, or any other serial heroine has to a macho woman, now did I?

But she has to be sensible and capable, especially in a crisis, and this, my dear, Ananya is not. She flaps, knits her eyebrows, and squeaks in a high pitched voice- We are at 200 metres! Jaldi kuch boliye Captain!! - and the like. Which makes one want to put a candle snuffer over her head, as an alternative to duct tape for her mouth. ๐Ÿ˜‰

My mother has handled far worse without turning a hair or raising her voice. And think of Melanie in 2 scenes that highlight her tremendous inner strength: the wild ride from a burning Atlanta during the civil war when she has just had a very difficult delivery, and the other when she is the only one able to persuade the distraught Rhett Butler to give up the body of his dead daughter for burial.

I have no problem with women being accommodative, from time to time, with their men or their families. What grates on my nerves is the mahaanta complex in a heroine, with its accompaniment, the conviction that she can never be wrong. And the script literally deifies her and decks her out with a 24 carat halo to boot. Ananya is not yet quite there, but she is getting dangerously close.๐Ÿ˜ก

Shyamala Akka


Originally posted by: sambag

Just a thought Amrutha & Shyamala Akka...not related to this topic of course..

Do we always need a macho-woman to prove women are strong..I guess not. I cannot also say that the serials that we have on the idiot box today are out of the world. In real life you have such things happening. These saas-bahu drama that they show on TV is do draw inspiration from real-life but probably go sometimes too melodramatic.The only thing I hate when they show the protagonist to be all perfect-the perfect homemaker, the perfect daughter-in-law, because in reality we have our own flaws and cannot be all perfect. You hate those docile females but at a later point of time I look back and think that do I give-back as well as I get..the so-called urban educated , well travelled, modern woman..no I don't sometimes for the family , sometimes for peace , sometimes because my parents want me to do that since they belong to the old school of thought.
To me a strong woman is one who stays amidst all this and becomes strong , resilient and is still able to support somebody who needs help. I draw my inspiration from my boss who a simple lady to be easily lost in a crowd but she inspires me each day to fight not against anybody but for my identity, for the person I am.I remember when I was going through one of the rough patches of my life she was the only one who stood by me. Although childless till date she kept saying-"You are not born to be just a mother, you are a woman of substance, you are an individual and you cannot be judged only by your womb's capabilities". These are women who work in the same middle class society that we operate in but still instill a sense of confidence in you.

So, I relate to Ananya here and I do not want her macho but the strong , resilient person to be showcased..where she does not distinguish between the gender ..Natasha or Capt. Rathore oppression,manhandling..she should be able to bypass them with or without help from Akash.
Not sure I conveyed what I wanted or its just a blabber..sorry if it sounds so..

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Amrutha, I did not review last Sunday's episode as there was nothing in it to analyse. I am not a romantic, and in any case I do not think Akash and Ananya are well matched physically - she is too tall and he looks mousy next to her. If he were to get so far as to hug her, it is his head that would be on her shoulder๐Ÿ˜‰. I am traditional in such matters, and always preferred tall men!

Plus she is a very limited actress and there are NO nuances in her portrayal, none at all. She gets by on her pallid, patrician looks.

Nor does the character compensate for the actress's limitations. When Akash is bubbling over with mischief, Ananya does not have the smarts to make a single telling comeback, alas!

To revert, Natasha, who is not easy on the eyes even when she is sober, looked like something out of The Witches of Eastwick , with all that eye black slathered on and the Saibaba style hair do. I did not like her drunk act at all; I was wondering who would pay for all the damage!

As for Akash, he has the typical male failing: he forgets to phone and explain his absence, whether it it is to Natasha or to Ananya. I cannot see how he is going to shake loose from the Tar Baby he seems to be so badly entangled with, not if he takes such a soft soap approach. I wrote once that he should be having better taste in girlfriends, even unacknowledged ones, and this holds. So now it seems to me that he is keeping her close for reasons linked to his secret mission. Maybe Natasha is one of the bad gals, instead, as I had once thought, of the good ones!๐Ÿ˜‰

I do not come to the forum except to post on the odd thread, so I missed all your romantic effusions. Good for me - it is the generation gap, you see!๐Ÿ˜‰

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: -Amri-



P.S. I see that you haven't yet reviewed last week's episode๐Ÿ˜‰๐Ÿ˜† I can understand why. Did you see how all of us went gaga fangirling over Ananya and Akash?๐Ÿ˜ƒ



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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Yes, my dear Sampa, I agree with you about this kind of simple but strong, resilient and very capable women - your boss, my mother, Melanie Wilkes in Gone with the Wind - the list is endless. They are the salt of the earth, the ones who, as Chairman Mao (himself an unregenerate MCP!) used to say for public consumption, hold up half the sky.

Moreover, I never said that Ananya, or any other serial heroine has to a macho woman, now did I?

But she has to be sensible and capable, especially in a crisis, and this, my dear, Ananya is not. She flaps, knits her eyebrows, and squeaks in a high pitched voice- We are at 200 metres! Jaldi kuch boliye Captain!! - and the like. Which makes one want to put a candle snuffer over her head, as an alternative to duct tape for her mouth. ๐Ÿ˜‰That's the typical sp melodrama ishtyle๐Ÿ˜Š..don't blame my lovable character Ananya..she is my favorite in the show๐Ÿ˜’and again I repeat please do not throw e-chappals for this ๐Ÿ˜›

My mother has handled far worse without turning a hair or raising her voice. And think of Melanie in 2 scenes that highlight her tremendous inner strength: the wild ride from a burning Atlanta during the civil war when she has just had a very difficult delivery, and the other when she is the only one able to persuade the distraught Rhett Butler to give up the body of his dead daughter for burial.

I have no problem with women being accommodative, from time to time, with their men or their families. What grates on my nerves is the mahaanta complex in a heroine, with its accompaniment, the conviction that she can never be wrong. And the script literally deifies her and decks her out with a 24 carat halo to boot. Ananya is not yet quite there, but she is getting dangerously close.๐Ÿ˜กI love the way you write ..I was giggling while I read your comments..again I think we both should re-watch serials like Powder again and again to remind us what a thriller series means..I remember how they showed Brinda geeting fooled while Ansari moved the drugs and Mahendra was bang on..I miss the Powder team and my interactions with Atul Sabhrawal..

Shyamala Akka


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Aha, now we are blaming the ishtyle, are we?๐Ÿ˜‰ Not that one can separate the character from the ishtyle, my dear, but in deference to your protective feelings towards this female, I shall refrain from noting that I had expected a lot of the character and the performance (having forgotten that this actress had been the female lead in Mere yaar ki shaadi hai!๐Ÿ˜‰), and feel distinctly shortchanged!๐Ÿ˜‰

Yes, Powder, now that was a connoisseur's delight. I never had any contact with the young lady or the director, but I later badgered Yash Raj, thru a film critic friend of mine, Subhash K. Jha, into sending me a full set of all 26 episodes on 16 DVDs. I then re-recorded them in 4 DVDs in LP and made an extra set for Subhash as a thank you gift. I can thus rewatch it any time on a 50 inch screen.

The evolution of the relationship between Ms. Malabar Hill and Mahendra was so superbly delineated; it was one of a kind, even in films. It was tragic, that Powder never crossed 1.6 in the old TRPs, when trash like Pavitra Rishta were getting 7.

Shyamala Aunty


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Posted: 10 years ago
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btw I think you are talking of the same Subhash K Jha whom later Geetika aka our Brinda complained against sexual harassment..in real life.Not sure but the name is ringing in my years.

Btw did you ever watch Sanjeevani -the lifeline ever ,even that was a spectacle.I quite bit liked at that time.
Oh!! btw I am not a fan of Tulip Joshi and her acting skills but yes I like Ananya..I see a lot of my reflection in her when I started working.I know Shyamla Akka you are not going to agree but I cant help but love Ananya๐Ÿ˜‰
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Well, my dear, I do not know but I hope not! He is not Mumbai-based, he lives in Patna, with a nice little wife and an even nicer daughter. I do not think it is likely that he would have had anything to do with this Geetika. The name is not an uncommon one, so maybe it was, hopefully, another Subhash K. Jha.

No, I am afraid I have never watched Sanjeevani. Till I retired from the diplomatic service a few years back, I had no time for serials. Being an Ambassador is an 16 hour a day job!

Shyamala Aunty


Originally posted by: sambag

btw I think you are talking of the same Subhash K Jha whom later Geetika aka our Brinda complained against sexual harassment..in real life.Not sure but the name is ringing in my years.

Btw did you ever watch Sanjeevani -the lifeline ever ,even that was a spectacle.I quite bit liked at that time.

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Originally posted by: sambag

Just a thought Amrutha & Shyamala Akka...not related to this topic of course..

Do we always need a macho-woman to prove women are strong..I guess not. I cannot also say that the serials that we have on the idiot box today are out of the world. In real life you have such things happening. These saas-bahu drama that they show on TV is do draw inspiration from real-life but probably go sometimes too melodramatic.The only thing I hate when they show the protagonist to be all perfect-the perfect homemaker, the perfect daughter-in-law, because in reality we have our own flaws and cannot be all perfect. You hate those docile females but at a later point of time I look back and think that do I give-back as well as I get..the so-called urban educated , well travelled, modern woman..no I don't sometimes for the family , sometimes for peace , sometimes because my parents want me to do that since they belong to the old school of thought.
To me a strong woman is one who stays amidst all this and becomes strong , resilient and is still able to support somebody who needs help. I draw my inspiration from my boss who a simple lady to be easily lost in a crowd but she inspires me each day to fight not against anybody but for my identity, for the person I am.I remember when I was going through one of the rough patches of my life she was the only one who stood by me. Although childless till date she kept saying-"You are not born to be just a mother, you are a woman of substance, you are an individual and you cannot be judged only by your womb's capabilities". These are women who work in the same middle class society that we operate in but still instill a sense of confidence in you. So, I relate to Ananya here and I do not want her macho but the strong , resilient person to be showcased..where she does not distinguish between the gender ..Natasha or Capt. Rathore oppression,manhandling..she should be able to bypass them with or without help from Akash.
Not sure I conveyed what I wanted or its just a blabber..sorry if it sounds so..


Lovely thoughts, especially the ones conveyed in the last para. There are so many resilient, unflappable and strong heroines among the ordinary faces in the milling crowds, and especially in our own homes. My mother in particular, inspires me in so many ways with her strength of character and her indomitable spirit. She embodies the ideal woman for me and is the source of strength๐Ÿ˜ณAnd your wise boss sounds like a similar force to me:)


As for the first few lines, I completely agree. As women we are expected to juggle so much, to excel in so many roles and in so many ways! It takes an enormous strength of will and an extraordinary amount of patience to be able to do all that. I guess, at the end of the day, all we ask for is a little peace- as Virginia Woolf wisely said, "A room of one's own". Though she was talking about how women need psychological space and money if they are to write fiction, it's something that applies equally to all our endeavours and activities.


One of my professors at college used to say- I have so much loaded on my plate- juggling my teaching career and my chores at home- looking after family, children, cooking, cleaning up. But the only moment I can be myself is the ten minute walk I take alone, where I can savour the silence and be at peace. This "me" time is very much denied to women, I think, because all of us have so much going on that we don't have time for ourselves at all.
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