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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sg2013

I felt all that hate is to show to others and to her so that he has protected her from all his family members . So the hate mask will continue but he did open a window so that both could breathe. The way he looked at her and held her hand , made her understand that he does have feelings for her. So she went on looking back,NA recognized this both for Astha and Shlok.


hmm...nice take of you Suchi. But I felt that "I hate you Astha or I hate love" is to just re-assure himself that this is not love with Astha and to nurture his already broken heart. So, he is hallow right now who doesn't believe in love. But how much ever he pretends to himself one day he will have to accept the truth to himself..he was about to say today something in that vulnerable moment ..whether it is love or not ...he was almost there when the fire men ruined it. So, he went back again in his hate mode. I wrote a big post in Jonee's thread almost in same lines please check if you have time.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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hmm...nice take of you Suchi. But I felt that "I hate you Astha or I hate love" is to just re-assure himself that this is not love with Astha and to nurture his already broken heart. So, he is hallow right now who doesn't believe in love. But how much ever he pretends to himself one day he will have to accept the truth to himself..he was about to say today something in that vulnerable moment ..whether it is love or not ...he was almost there when the fire men ruined it. So, he went back again in his hate mode. I wrote a big post in Jonee's thread almost in same lines please check if you have time.

Jia I think the day he told Astha that she has won his trust for life was the day he acknowledged to himself that he loves Astha is my take. There was no hollowness or faking that day on the swing when he said that to her. Those were true and pure feelings. Every time he hurts her he drinks because he is sad about the pain that he has given her. He is getting the pain too. So his emotions changed so much today and the guilty look on his face when she asked him" did you not feel anything every time you hurt me ? "
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Awesome Analysis Madhu 👏 👏
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Originally posted by: Sg2013

Madhu, beautiful post . You have said about all the relations in an excellent way. So we have the same inquisitive Astha Kirloskar now who has started thinking about what is going on in Shlok's mind and what is his maksad and why is he telling about revenge and hatred. Astha asked him very clearly that you said you married me for revenge and hate me now, but what i saw in your eyes was that not love? So she cornered him exactly the way she did before temple marriage and Jyoti fiasco when she said what about trusting me ?
The director has very beautifully depicted the scene with smoke coming over Shlok's face and then again going away, symbolizing that he is still contemplating whether he should tell Astha the truth that he loves her and always loved her or not. Astha has no doubt about her own feeling of still loving Shlok and so her face is shown with no smoke. I do not think the fire was caused by Shlok. Shlok was seeing the smoke coming because he was seeing that may be death was coming near them and so was thinking should he tell Astha the truth before dying. The holding of Astha's hand made it obvious that Shlok always loved her ans Astha understood that.
The smoke covered them both , but then the fireman came and rescued them. Who are the fireman who are going to be saviour's of Astha and Shlok's love? They protected them together in a blanket to prevent the love to be burnt from the fire and brought them out safely. NA knows Shlok will not allow any harm to come to Astha before it comes to him and he saw that when Astha said that her husband saved her life, something whoci Shlok could not do at the time of Swati probably. NA now knows Shlok will always be with Astha. So NA will accept that defeat now for the fear of losing his son. He cannot lose his son. So I think no harm will come for Astha from NA any more. The dog during the HM has been shewed off by Shlok. NA 's making Astha chose between maika and sasural pushed both Astha and Shlok into the pit. I know NA is a bad person , but I have a feeling that NA is going to be one of the person's ( one of the fire fighters) who will actually save these two together for the sake of Shlok. Will the other person ( other firefighter) be Kalindi or Avdhoot who will save them for the sake of Astha?

NA is happy to see Shlok and Astha both safe. He also saw how Shlok saved Astha and he will accept everything for his baccha. He accepted the marriage even when the horoscopes were not matching. So a person who believed so much in traditions however accepted against it for his son. NA could clearly see Astha loving Shlok too. He saw how Astha turned back to see Shlok and how Shlok was looking at her.
NA told Shlok he wants bahu back and this has surprised Shlok because NA had asked Shlok to sign the divorce pares to which NA said that was what his DIL had ever asked him and he could not say no. So shlok knows one thing NA will always accept Astha as his DIL and so he will not let any harm come to her now. So Shlok has won this game with NA,of securing her, something that most likely did not happen at the time of Swati.
I was hoping Shlok will not drink anymore but looks like this will happen till he has complete confidence in Astha and can tell her the truth that he loves her. She was Astha Kirloskar today the girl who is not frightened of asking direct questions as she did today. He does not want To show his love to Astha openly yet since she is not yet safe from Sojal , Jaya and Abhay and Anjali too. So yes he is drinking to overcome the pain, his wounded bleeding heart that needs the bandage of love as it was given by Astha Kirloskar , not Astha Agnihotri who is his wife and who too shows she hates him too because of what he did to her after the SR.
Looks like this is why whenever he denied the truth to Astha about his love for her and hurt her, he could not bear the pain and so drank liquor to hide the pain.
I was happy that Kalindi asked to bappa to do everything good for her daughter. She did not ask for divorce. So her wish will be granted by bappa at some point in the show.
So now Astha has full rights of bahu in the house and NA will not make Anjali force Astha to follow the rituals and traditions. So the next step is going to be Shlok making Anjali accept her as the modern bahu , which we are going to see per the segments as she will go to work and Shlok will support her.
So Astha now has rights of beti, bahu, allowed to work , aaj ki nari, not abala nari. Does she have the rights of wife,? She did not use them immediately after marriage as she became only a bahu then and listened to Anjali, so looks like she will get them much later. Win win situation for Astha,. She is shown standing not on the stool as I said yesterday but on the ladder, which you climb slowly , one step at a time. Who helped her to climb up ? Shlok , so upliftment as he lifted her with the ballons. Upliftment of women - as done by Srikrishna in the broader sense of the society.
Astha tried to take out the managalsutra that Shlok put in marriage and she failed. So both will be bound by society to be together. No divorce. She did not even try to take out the black thread that Shlok put in the temple because for her that was the real managalsutra , when both loved and trusted each other. She knows and saw in Shlok's eyes that he does love her. So the black thread is not coming out.

My interpretations on all the scenes and dialogues and symbols today.



Suchi awesome..POV.
Nicely concluded..the trust once AASTHA wants to have when shlok seeking selfish love and said she is seeking trust and they family..she didn't listen and went to have trust in using high intelligence..can say we can see Aastha again in EBP way to seek trust back..

The gentle hand hold said the true genuine love and soft seeking love ..though in pain felt to remove Aastha pain as death might come to them..we wanted a confession as being at stake kinda happened too.lovely intent by CVS..you gave good explanation in smoke and and surround of SHLOk.

The blanket of comfort in one in to secure themselves was very nicely symbolised and liked it again in your interpretation, the feelings wanted to express and seek by Aastha was awesome to see..felt like a new total new way of track coming up. In EBP way..
The fear shown by NA was awesome and said he wants BAHU as women rule the house..indirectly accepted to have as in rights made shlok stunned.
NA happy to see AASTHA AND SHLOK Safe and made AASTHA go home in safe..was awesome shown maybe in loose of kids one might see the true intentions.

Like you said and in EBP always mentioning BAPPA will do good was nice to watch again..by the mentioning of BAPPA where did AASTHA before marriage go..the good luck one..

Now stunned shlok is confident that NA might not harm or sway away the true love like past love..this love is not selfish from Aastha side just not seeing the bright side...shlok is confident and in trust Aastha will see to him back and and feel the heart like he said before..the name is Aastha and trust..nicely chosen by cvs..

Lovely analysis deep SUCHI..


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Posted: 12 years ago
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madhu awesome interpretation of fire and water with pics and ashlok varying emotions, pride, ego, honor, love, trust.
Here's my brief pov with few pics as usual from pg 143.
Epi 108 Tue Jan 21 2014
Title: Marriage Mangalsutra under Microscope, Ek Baar Phir
The mangalsutra is stuck in shlok's shirt and again symbolic of the fact that ashlok are not meant to separate. I only wish CVs had a novel new approach than the predictable one to ashlok mutual love.



Talk about expressions, unresolved undefinable unpredictable, yet undeniable.
baba in shock yet concerned and fully behind beta, pun intended.

Shlok duvidha mein, troubled mind, unsettled heart, baba's keen eyes witnessing both
emotions and both bachcha and beti


baba's keen experienced eyes sees that bachcha and beti astha do seem to care for each other, he Ek Baar Phir changed his mind and told in no uncertain terms to shlok that no matter what the decision of the court is going to be tomorrow, he wants his DIL back in the house.

Baba about to give bachcha the ultimate lesson that women are our society's honor and pride. Maintain them with all your might. But shlok do not uphold safeguard them like your baba does.

And astha is caught between her head and heart, Ek baar phir and is struggling internally about what the mangalsutra means in a marriage. kalindi tells her the value of trust and love and how the beads and thread of mangalsutra bind two people in trust and love, thereby making the relationship weather any life storms together. Without that love, the mangalsutra has no meaning. And astha reflects on kalindi's words and realizes there's no such trust and removes the mangalsutra.
Even though mangalsutra has a story of its own. Keeps stuck on astha. Bappa's ishara that when two people are not meant to separate, no power on earth can separate them?
Then why ego playing havoc and she still decides to get out of the relationship? Flashbacks, ie past? More trust on past lies, than your own heart?

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Prasai


Suchi awesome..POV.
Nicely concluded..the trust once AASTHA wants to have when shlok seeking selfish love and said she is seeking trust and they family..she didn't listen and went to have trust in using high intelligence..can say we can see Aastha again in EBP way to seek trust back..

The gentle hand hold said the true genuine love and soft seeking love ..though in pain felt to remove Aastha pain as death might come to them..we wanted a confession as being at stake kinda happened too.lovely intent by CVS..you gave good explanation in smoke and and surround of SHLOk.

The blanket of comfort in one in to secure themselves was very nicely symbolised and liked it again in your interpretation, the feelings wanted to express and seek by Aastha was awesome to see..felt like a new total new way of track coming up. In EBP way..
The fear shown by NA was awesome and said he wants BAHU as women rule the house..indirectly accepted to have as in rights made shlok stunned.
NA happy to see AASTHA AND SHLOK Safe and made AASTHA go home in safe..was awesome shown maybe in loose of kids one might see the true intentions.

Like you said and in EBP always mentioning BAPPA will do good was nice to watch again..by the mentioning of BAPPA where did AASTHA before marriage go..the good luck one..

Now stunned shlok is confident that NA might not harm or sway away the true love like past love..this love is not selfish from Aastha side just not seeing the bright side...shlok is confident and in trust Aastha will see to him back and and feel the heart like he said before..the name is Aastha and trust..nicely chosen by cvs..

Lovely analysis deep SUCHI..



Yes Madhu is dog is shewed off as no more harm from NA. NA knows now that what happened or was done to Swati was not right and now cannot be done to Astha as he wants Shlok to be happy. So I felt NA was like one of the firefighters who brought the, together and protected them from death. The blanket covering them together showed they will be together and then Shlok covering Astha with it , he will always love and protect her and preserve her dignity. He has always done it and will continue to do it. He cannot lose Astha. He has to win his bet with the sun god for the rest of his life. Their eyes say so much that one does not need any words to understand the feelings. Beautiful acting and direction.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Beautiful picss and lovely captions Prem. Great post.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Prasai


Suchi awesome..POV.
Nicely concluded..the trust once AASTHA wants to have when shlok seeking selfish love and said she is seeking trust and they family..she didn't listen and went to have trust in using high intelligence..can say we can see Aastha again in EBP way to seek trust back..

The gentle hand hold said the true genuine love and soft seeking love ..though in pain felt to remove Aastha pain as death might come to them..we wanted a confession as being at stake kinda happened too.lovely intent by CVS..you gave good explanation in smoke and and surround of SHLOk.

The blanket of comfort in one in to secure themselves was very nicely symbolised and liked it again in your interpretation, the feelings wanted to express and seek by Aastha was awesome to see..felt like a new total new way of track coming up. In EBP way..
The fear shown by NA was awesome and said he wants BAHU as women rule the house..indirectly accepted to have as in rights made shlok stunned.
NA happy to see AASTHA AND SHLOK Safe and made AASTHA go home in safe..was awesome shown maybe in loose of kids one might see the true intentions.

Like you said and in EBP always mentioning BAPPA will do good was nice to watch again..by the mentioning of BAPPA where did AASTHA before marriage go..the good luck one..

Now stunned shlok is confident that NA might not harm or sway away the true love like past love..this love is not selfish from Aastha side just not seeing the bright side...shlok is confident and in trust Aastha will see to him back and and feel the heart like he said before..the name is Aastha and trust..nicely chosen by cvs..

Lovely analysis deep SUCHI..




Nice posts Suchi and Madhu...but I beg to differ about NA. I do not think he will accept Ashlok love easily, he wants bahu back so his head is not bent in front of societly...there is a reason why he asked for Astha kirlosker in marriage to Shlok..something that is not revealed to us.

This story is not just of Ashlok, but of agnihotris and kirloskers...and how ashlok are caught in between. Swati will be used to justify why Shlok took this route with AStha rather than simple exposing Astha to the evils of his house.

I feel that the fire is set by NA...and Na seemed to know AStha is in the building and he is not surprised AStha works there..so he knew. He has already given lecture to Shlok in mute of how to win a relationship "pyar se" and show his anger in right place( beating wife in bedroom???).

I do not believe that NA, a person who beats his own wife in bedroom and makes her do his dirty work and keeps his wife away from her parents..such NA will accept Astha's freedom. No.
what NA wants is that every one in the family should love and relate to HIM the most. He never allows good interaction between other family members..be it Anjali-Shlok, be it Varad Shlok, be it Anjali and her parents. No,,,he wants all to love and depend on him the most..its a control problem.

In the last scene wen Shlok is looking at AStha...see the angry looks NA gives her in same frame...NA is angry that Astha is invoking feelings in Shlok. Because he wants his BAHU back, not his son's PATNI. Astha 's main rights in the family are from her husband...but NA does not tell SHlok apni PATNI ko wapas leke ao. He does not say try to be good husband to her. Instead, before muted convo..he tells Shlok..he understands and agrees with Shlok's anger to Astha...NA is indeed happy that Shlok took revenge for him.

I dont think NA is over. I think the firemen who save AShlok will be Anjali and Avdoot...these two are silent but correct personalities where as NA and Kalindi are stuck to their own battles.
Anjali and Avdoot will support true AShlok love. Anjali truly loves her son..not for show off. and not possessive. I can trust Na change of heart only when he understands the years of pain he gave to his own wife..whom he treated like slave. As far as NA accepting Astha due to fear of not losing Shlok...NA will not lose Shlok if he gets Astha killed in one of these freak accidents..I bet thats how Swati died..and Shlok regrets he was not there with her.

Yes loves Avi-shrenu performances..lost in Ashlok from morning to evening now adays..they are giving such performances...AStha innocent questions could tear anyone's heart.

See just minutes before she says " aaapne mujhe jeeteji maardiya"..you killed me alive with your betrayal...but minutes later i front of media she says her life was saved because of him. She looks at him before saying so, makes up her mind...and says yes..he saved her.
From what? the fire? No no no. She means he saved her from GHUTAN..the suffocation she was feeling in the marriage...that which almost killed her...Shlok saved her from that by showing that one tiny tender gesture...of his love. Now I think Astha will herself want to go back and try to find out things.


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Wonderful post madhu , puzzle in itself .
I really loved the episode .shlok touch astha was itself assuring that he does love her ,he looks at the smoke increasing and feels clOse to death so wants to tell the truth but destiny has other plans the fire fighters come in to save these two .His touch was symbol of assuring and consoling hurt astha .
The scene where shlok stands speechless watching astha move away shows pain and concern in his eyes just loved it avi really nailed it . Avinash and shrenu did good job with beautiful expressions and made us feel the pain of shlok and astha.
NA shouting for his Bacha caught in side should his possessiveness and love for shlok. Today NA asking shlok to get astha back shocked shlok but we did see a sign of relief for approval from BABA.
Shlok drinking and saying he doesn't love to controll his emotions and not. Let it out. I felt he reassuring himself he hates astha forcing to hide his true feelings .
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Nice posts Suchi and Madhu...but I beg to differ about NA. I do not think he will accept Ashlok love easily, he wants bahu back so his head is not bent in front of societly...there is a reason why he asked for Astha kirlosker in marriage to Shlok..something that is not revealed to us.

This story is not just of Ashlok, but of agnihotris and kirloskers...and how ashlok are caught in between. Swati will be used to justify why Shlok took this route with AStha rather than simple exposing Astha to the evils of his house.

I feel that the fire is set by NA...and Na seemed to know AStha is in the building and he is not surprised AStha works there..so he knew. He has already given lecture to Shlok in mute of how to win a relationship "pyar se" and show his anger in right place( beating wife in bedroom???).

I do not believe that NA, a person who beats his own wife in bedroom and makes her do his dirty work and keeps his wife away from her parents..such NA will accept Astha's freedom. No.
what NA wants is that every one in the family should love and relate to HIM the most. He never allows good interaction between other family members..be it Anjali-Shlok, be it Varad Shlok, be it Anjali and her parents. No,,,he wants all to love and depend on him the most..its a control problem.

In the last scene wen Shlok is looking at AStha...see the angry looks NA gives her in same frame...NA is angry that Astha is invoking feelings in Shlok. Because he wants his BAHU back, not his son's PATNI. Astha 's main rights in the family are from her husband...but NA does not tell SHlok apni PATNI ko wapas leke ao. He does not say try to be good husband to her. Instead, before muted convo..he tells Shlok..he understands and agrees with Shlok's anger to Astha...NA is indeed happy that Shlok took revenge for him.

I dont think NA is over. I think the firemen who save AShlok will be Anjali and Avdoot...these two are silent but correct personalities where as NA and Kalindi are stuck to their own battles.
Anjali and Avdoot will support true AShlok love. Anjali truly loves her son..not for show off. and not possessive. I can trust Na change of heart only when he understands the years of pain he gave to his own wife..whom he treated like slave. As far as NA accepting Astha due to fear of not losing Shlok...NA will not lose Shlok if he gets Astha killed in one of these freak accidents..I bet thats how Swati died..and Shlok regrets he was not there with her.

Yes loves Avi-shrenu performances..lost in Ashlok from morning to evening now adays..they are giving such performances...AStha innocent questions could tear anyone's heart.

See just minutes before she says " aaapne mujhe jeeteji maardiya"..you killed me alive with your betrayal...but minutes later i front of media she says her life was saved because of him. She looks at him before saying so, makes up her mind...and says yes..he saved her.
From what? the fire? No no no. She means he saved her from GHUTAN..the suffocation she was feeling in the marriage...that which almost killed her...Shlok saved her from that by showing that one tiny tender gesture...of his love. Now I think Astha will herself want to go back and try to find out things.



You could be right here. So The dog is still there and Ashlok still have to fight. You might be right as NA never said apni patni ko wapas lao, yes he said muzi meri bahu vapas chahiye. True Anjali loves Shlok and she and Avadhoot could be the fire fighters. I am surprised at kalindi. She too is very stubborn and blind to some extent. Some body wrote she is the NA of Kirloskars. So an abused woman sees everything and everyone with the same eyes. May be true. So as per what you say and I agree with it,the fact that Shlok will still have to hide his love for Astha from NA but keep a window open for them to survive together in that Agni mansion. Why do you think NA has something to do with fire? Did he not know his son was there? Or did he think it was only Astha and this time he wanted the strings in his hand and not ask Anjali to do the work as he is doing all his work by himself , wearing his shoes and coat? Did he want to kill Astha like he did to Swati and then show it as an accident ? Will Shlok find out how the fire occurred? . Because if this is so, then Shlok will have to fake even more hatred for Astha but always be with her to protect and save her. Yes I agree he saw Astha looking back at Shlok and Shlok's expressions and he was actually patting Shlok's shoulders with care and concern at that time as if showing his love and concern for his son.
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