Episode 331 Discussion: 23rd July 2013 - Page 3

Originally posted by: dramacrazy12

Question- Was 40 lakh story public knowledge?

I was wondering the same. I thought that was just between the families?

Originally posted by: dramacrazy12

Question- Was 40 lakh story public knowledge?

chawl ppl kno it obv since they kno abt mallik rk scene n the money that was req for his meds...besides rk clarified the whole story on the wedding day...

Originally posted by: dramacrazy12

CR- Different people react differently...while I do get your point. The fact remains that the truth changed his life and landed him in current soup (I agree that he was one who could not control himself). From his perspective it brings up several complex question -

1)Why did she let him put his father on pedestal ?

2)Why did she keep quite for 15 long years when he refused to forgive her

3)She was rich and resourceful...why did she choose to live the life of a second wife. Did it ever occur to her how her child would be seen by society?

4)Everyone knows...he is the last one to find out...why?

I do not blame Radha for hiding the truth but she should have told RK when Sultan barged into thier house instead of taking an ostrich approach. That was sheer pagalpan on her part.

From personal experience...I can tell you that people have a hard time forgiving their parents after something like this. One of my cousins found out in early twenties that her father was actually step-father. Her reaction threw us all off for a loop...she literally carved us all out of her life. She went from being the sanest lovable person to a sharp tongued harridan and literally put her mother through unimaginable pain and abuse. It took her years to come to terms with seemingly harmless truth...in meantime she managed to wreck all her relationships with her father's family. What RK is facing is much more huge than that?

Given his nature...I would say that he is reacting as expected even though it is painful to watch

I loved most of the epi today. RK was 😳
Everything about MEIEJ seems to be getting back on track except one - MADHU 🤢
I can forgive Paddy for Sultan-jaap in place of giving strength to her daughter because she was away and did not know the havoc Sultan had caused in RM's life, starting from the day of their wedding!
But Madhu?? I cant forgive her at all!
After all that he did - threatening her hubby, manhandling her, propositioning her, trying to kill RK...is she insane or simply blind, deaf and DUMB when it comes to that lecher??
Kaise badal gaya ?? Woman, take a look inside yourself and decide if you didn't encourage him to think he could have a chance.
I want a GRAND BBB of this woman at court. Preferably by the acerbic Marathe. I want him to question her whole ideology and shake her up like hell! Maybe then she will realize how foolish and insipid she is being. If after hearing all about the PP from Bji she decides to go and meet him nonetheless, I say then she hasn't changed a bit.
If CVs dont polish this woman's character, all of the show's charm will slowly go down the drain. Sometimes I wonder does she ever look into the mirror before spouting lectures about right and wrong!?
Precap: It was a low blow...but one I cannot begrudge a hard-hearted lawyer to bring it up when facing the opposition...Its the truth! If Madhu cannot handle that, she should not have gone into enemy territory!

Originally posted by: dramacrazy12

Question- Was 40 lakh story public knowledge?

[B]today's episode was sweet but something seems amiss...i cant connect to meiej the way i used to...

loved rk and his cute zidd and his one liners

mr. joshi was cute...reminded me of old days where bittuji was in similar situations..

rishbala scene was sweet but i cudnt c any feelings from madhu's side...also she said nothing to make rk feel better...

madhu marathe scene was a show about madhu's mahaanta anf till what limits she cam be dumb!!! i was bored listening to madhu's crap lectures and annoyed that she still blabbered about sultan...this woman!!!!!

madhu padmini scene...i wanted to slap both of them!!! [B]

Loved the Rishbala scenes , and the RK scenes were also excellent.😳

Felt that the Madhu-Padmini conversation was a backhanded way of getting it mentioned that Meera and Aryan are *not* at their home waiting to be invited into the Kundra home-cum-charitable refuge.🤢
If Madhu were to even go in that direction now, it would smash the attempts to restore her characterization and earn her another round of extreme disapprobation.🥱

So how else to mention that those two characters are no longer in the vicinity?
A little bit more of plotclunk - Padmini goes to check on Aryan before coming to see her crisis-facing daughter.

Padmini is about Trishna and Madhu, the way Madhu is about RK - if the central primary focus of their love is in trouble that they recognize as trouble, nothing and no one else matters.😊
If Madhu was in a crisis situation and Madhu's husband on trial for murder, no one else would matter more to Padmini than Madhu - unless Trishna managed to get herself into a near-fatal accident of some sort. Aryan wouldn't be even a moment's thought on the horizon.
Sultan had been someone Padmini had seen as a means to an end in several ways.
Aryan had been appreciated by Padmini because in pampering the boy, Madhu seemed to recover from her hurt and move towards happiness again.
And yet, in the case of both women respectively - once Madhu was reassured of RK's love for her and cancelled her revenge intention, and once Padmini saw that Madhu was overjoyed at having remarried RK -, neither woman gave any further thought to Aryan.
So there was no point to mentioning him except to wrap that end up while making it clear that Madhu showed no additional feeling while speaking of Aryan than she did while speaking of Meera.
The whitewashing of the Sultan character appears reassuringly at a total end.
The mentions of him in this episode by Madhu in two scenes and by Padmini once were not to mitigate him.
Madhu's revulsion at the memory of his actions and her disgust while speaking of his lack of care for his son and mother were indictment in and of themselves.
Rather, the purpose of speaking of him having changed - implying he had been or appeared to be better other than he had turned out to be - seemed a token attempt by the writers to try to repair the damage Madhu's plotclunk uncharacteristic association with him has done to her image in the perception of the majority audience.
But it is a repairing-attempt that is likely to do more harm than good.
No attempt to gloss over the past and present Madhu's support of the gangster will work.
It was a gamble which backfired, and rather than Sultan gaining approval by being associated with the female lead, rather the female lead gained disapproval from majority audience for associating with him.

The only thing which can work now to mend the damage done to Madhu's characterization is for her to not be given any justification dialogues for her totally uncharacteristic reactions in that phase.
If she must speak of him, let it be with the admission that she was mistaken rather than make defensive statements of his having changed for the worse, which would remind the TRP-audience with even greater clarity that she had refused to see the man's intentions towards her even when repeatedly told by her husband.
Her husband having wronged her won't work to excuse that, because she herself didn't want nonplatonic attention from the other guy.
This is a point on which Sultan being alive or dead makes no difference - if Madhu in thought, word or deed shows any sign of sympathy or understanding for that character, her credibility in every relationship takes a massive blow in majority-audience perception.

Throughout the story, Madhu has never been shown acknowledging her errors.

Not when she needlessly escalated the Mukund case and caused difficulty for herself and her own family even when Mukund and his family had been inclined to take monetary settlement.
It was all RK's fault that he didn't let his life and career get ruined without retaliating, so that her crusade could succeed at no ill-cost to herself.

Not when she blackmailed RK with the photographs sent to her by an anonymous person, in order to get an apology for her mother for far less disrespectful remarks than Mukund's mother had served out on regular basis.
It was RK's fault that he told Shamsher about the deal.

It is a bizarre facet of her character that when she strikes out at someone, blackmails them, humiliates or provokes them, she does not consider that they will strike back.

And if and when they do strike back, she considers that to be shocking and unexpected, as if they should have taken humiliation from her, accepted her righteous reasoning for doing so and quietly endured the results of her words and actions.

This was not as appalling before the Sultan-tracks.
It was just another flaw in Madhu's personality - her ego and self-righteousness that don't permit her to admit to being wrong or foolishly overzealous for an unmeriting cause.

But the Sultan tracks ended the ability of the majority-audience to tolerate that facet in Madhu's character.
Madhu was used as a means to make that character acceptable to the audience. It was a colossally unsuccessful and backfiring attempt.

Now Madhu must be the means - via her dialogues - of admitting that her association with him was a complete mistake and horrendous lack of judgement.

In this instance, her usual attempts to blame others for the disastrous consequences of her thoughtless actions with excuses or mitigating justifications will *not* work.
She just looks poorly as a wife and daughter-in-law with every folly of hers in supporting or associating with that character reminded to the audience with even more repelling clarity.
Her every dialogue needs to reflect not her usual coming-out-clean-by-passing-blame that *he* changed and she had thought him a different sort. There is no sympathy in majority audience for that senseless belief of hers.
Rather, she needs to clearly state an understanding that *she* had never recognized the reality of that character and matters got worse because of her failure to realize.

Lack of TRP-audience empathy for Madhu is an unfortunate side-effect of Madhu's different and flawed characterization.
She is not in the same league as other female leads.
They have a total absence of ego, and a willingness to admit fault when they are not wrong.
So the TRP-audience supports them when they say something was not their fault but someone else's.
Likewise, anyone they support gets general support.
But when Madhu supports someone, her imprudence is immediately apparent and not considered particularly worthy of support.

And when it comes to her attitude towards Sultan, that will never get swept under the carpet and condoned while leaving her judgement unreproached, without direct and repeated acknowledgments of culpability by her.
This is the penalty her characterization accrued with conduct that no female lead has ever been excused for by the mass-audience.

It was totally uncharacteristic on her part to be shown supporting someone against RK when RK was not wrong, when she had turned against her father Shamsher for more justifiable actions.
But they were forced to show that as a continuous attempt to get sympathy for a character who nothing was able to make acceptable to the TRP-audience.
Now, only Madhu's admission of guilt and culpability for every aspect of her association with Sultan will work to salvage her character instead of denting it further in majority-audience perception.
Hope the writers realize this and stop trying to justify the plotclunk they had to induce into Madhu's characterization during that TRP-disaster phase.
The way that Madhu's characterization can now be restored is by having her realize her own culpability and focus fiercely on getting her husband out of the current mess, hopefully uncrowned by any naive blunders or walking into Marathe's trap.
And it would be helpful if she would kindly inform her mother that she and Padmini were both horrendously mistaken in the character of the gangster they so imprudently involved in their lives.

And no more mentions of that child. Please? If the TRP-audience reaction to RK bringing Madhu back home by force after Holi was indicator, that child's existence by word or presence in association with Madhu is as effective as his father's in placing Madhu completely on the backfoot in extreme disapprobation by the TRP-audience.
Not much concerned about any of the other characters besides RK, Madhu and Bittuji, but would really appreciate it if there were no blunders further messing with DD's character while JDJ is going on.
And RK and Madhu - especially Madhu - have this 12-episodes track in which to emerge in full strength characterization, prove Sultan's commendable demise as undeserving of penalty, and get back to non-courtroom tracks where we may start afresh a renewed phase of MEIEJ minus any mass-unpopular plotclunk characters and tracks.

As for this episode, will be rewatching only the Rishbala scenes and the RK scenes.😳
Understanding why Madhu was given such dialogues in her scenes with Padmini and with Marathe does not make the scenes any more pleasant viewing than otherwise.

Originally posted by: masan1

Thats what make my gut feeling strong,who is providing the info to marathe?? It can be sultan if madhu had told him about this(I didnt watch episodes after madhu wen to nurse sultan n might have told him) or biggest planner RK who is playing along his enemy. And his enemy can be anyone.

Madhu seriously doesn't belong to human world.

Originally posted by: dramacrazy12

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My point exactly...The 40 lakh story was only known to Maliks/Kundras/Bhatias/Bittuji and Sultan.

@WIP: RK never mentions 40 lakhs in his public apology. Chawl people knew that Madhu married under duress but exact amount was never told out loud.