Sapna Bhavnani and Imam Siddiqi AT # 4! - Page 71

Originally posted by: Victarion

karna was right there with Daryodhana, when Cheer haran happened. he was very loyal to his friend, blind to his faults. make him more grey then others.

In the case of cheer-haran – When a husband himself puts his wife's honor at stake, when noble men would taint their sister-in-laws honor, when great warriors and learned men would choose to keep mum – what is a lowly, wretched, ignorant sutaputra to say?

The way I see it, Karna was oath bound and indebted to Duryodhana. I don't agree with his tolerance for Duryodhana's vices. However, from his perspective, everything he was, he owed it to Duryodhana. That is why he made a promise to stand by him no matter what. It is not that he was oblivious to the sins of Duryodhana, but he was actually willing to pay for and die for Duryodhanas sins. That is why he didn't defect to Pandavas when he found out they were his brothers. His friendship oath would make him obliged to hand the kingdom to Duryodhana. But since he knew Duryodhana was on the wrong side of history – he chose death and atonement. Makes him demi-Christ like in my view.

But this is the beauty of MB. Every character is so nuanced and can be interpreted in so many ways.

Originally posted by: Isa_Rahman

Yes anyone is allowed , also I'll leave the votes for 2/3 hours then count them and declare winner. then i can PM Dexy the code for the song to put on the first page.

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

You would have enjoyed a discussion we had on MB in DM a long time ago.

Yes, Ghatotkacha was sacrificial. Actually several of the Pandavas love children show up to die for their parents. I don't remember them all. Eklavya is another character I feel sorry for.

Our debate in DM discussed Krishna's ethics in war a lot. I'm not really sure. It is a matter of "Do ends justify means?" . Are you still on the "right" side of an issue, if your methods are "wrong"? Or is it fair to give as good as it gets? Precisely the reason why I like MB and Gita in terms of religious texts. It doesn't spell "Thou shalt do this, thou shalt do that" but rather it asks you "So what do you think? What would you do? What lesson did you take from this?"

Originally posted by: -Chandramukhi-

Isa I like this song. I feel it's goes with Imam and Sapna and their silly fights and make up 😉 Can you include that as well

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nsp88ZEBx8[/YOUTUBE]

Edit: Darn, the embed option isn't working

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

In the case of cheer-haran – When a husband himself puts his
wife's honor at stake, when noble men would taint their sister-in-laws honor,
when great warriors and learned men would choose to keep mum – what is a lowly,
wretched, ignorant sutaputra to say?

The way I see it, Karna was oath bound and indebted to
Duryodhana. I don't agree with his tolerance for Duryodhana's vices. However,
from his perspective, everything he was, he owed it to Duryodhana. That is why
he made a promise to stand by him no matter what. It is not that he was
oblivious to the sins of Duryodhana, but he was actually willing to pay for and
die for Duryodhanas sins. That is why he didn't defect to Pandavas when he
found out they were his brothers. His friendship oath would make him obliged to
hand the kingdom to Duryodhana. But since he knew Duryodhana was on the wrong
side of history – he chose death and atonement. Makes him demi-Christ like in
my view.

But this is the beauty of MB. Every character is so nuanced
and can be interpreted in so many ways.

Btw any Middle Earthlings here? What are your opinions on splitting Hobbit into three movies? What do you think of them including Silmarillion in the Hobbit storyline? Anyone planning a 12 hour LOTRathon this winter in anticipation?

Originally posted by: Isa_Rahman

Yes anyone is allowed , also I'll leave the votes for 2/3 hours then count them and declare winner. then i can PM Dexy the code for the song to put on the first page.