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Posted: 14 years ago
Alright folks. Calm down so we could get a few basics out of our way as a first step. Then we could all get down to the brass tacks.

We all know that in our minds we could do whatever we want, whenever we want, whoever we want, whichever we want, wherever we want and however we want. We could imagine pretty much anything. But in the physical world, alas, we hit limitations.

How do we overcome these physical limitations so that supernatural could become natural seems to be the question. After all, the very definition of the word miracle is that it is "an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause."

A thousand years back, two people separated by huge distances talking to each other on something like a phone would have been considered a miracle. Now it is not. A thousand years back flying to the moon or landing a man-made contraption on Mars would have been considered a miracle. Now it is not.

What happened between then and now? We gained knowledge and therefore we overcame a few things. What was unknown back then is known, albeit very little, now.

So what would be considered a miracle now? If you want to fly, you have to beat gravity. If you want to talk to your loved ones who are not there anymore, you have to come up with a time machine. You want to say a prayer and heal others or get healed, may be you have to come up with some voice recognition software that downloads a pill using the airwaves that cures the said problem?! Who knows?! But what we don't have now is the knowledge (tacit or explicit) to do all this and more.

Now if there is thing called free will, you probably can't circumvent the free will of others, in which case you have to enter the world of simulation. Or have your own universe where you "oversee" your "subjects". If that is possible then no reason to think that it hasn't already happened, that we are indeed the "subjects" that somebody from the future is "overseeing"!

Sweet dreams!

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Posted: 14 years ago
^^ Doe ji, why are you ignoring the society in which Newton was brought up and lived? That society prosecuted all sort of deviations from popular religious belief. Newton didn't belief in Chistian Trinity, but he never dared to speak out openly in fear of being murdered by fundamentalists. The Big Bang theory was developed in full means nearly 300yrs after Newton. So naturally its no wonder that he was unable to say how planets are set in motion. And many of Newtonian postulates were later rectified or disproved by Einstein. Though that doesn't reduce Newton's credibility in anyway.

I see you are repeatedly pointing out at the limitations of scientists and trying to establish that science is inferior to religion. Haven't I said atleast thrice that scientists and science are not the same?
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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: K.Resurrected.

Alright folks. Calm down so we could get a few basics out of our way as a first step. Then we could all get down to the brass tacks.

We all know that in our minds we could do whatever we want, whenever we want, whoever we want, whichever we want, wherever we want and however we want. We could imagine pretty much anything. But in the physical world, alas, we hit limitations.

How do we overcome these physical limitations so that supernatural could become natural seems to be the question. After all, the very definition of the word miracle is that it is "an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause."

A thousand years back, two people separated by huge distances talking to each other on something like a phone would have been considered a miracle. Now it is not. A thousand years back flying to the moon or landing a man-made contraption on Mars would have been considered a miracle. Now it is not.

What happened between then and now? We gained knowledge and therefore we overcame a few things. What was unknown back then is known, albeit very little, now.

Exactly the same thing I had pointed out few pages back. Several centuries or even decades back, many things were considered supernatural and miraculous. But now all are within man's grasp. If man had stopped thinking and accepted them as God's miracles and beyond man's grasp, we would have been living in Dinosaur Age.

So what would be considered a miracle now? If you want to fly, you have to beat gravity. If you want to talk to your loved ones who are not there anymore, you have to come up with a time machine. You want to say a prayer and heal others or get healed, may be you have to come up with some voice recognition software that downloads a pill using the airwaves that cures the said problem?! Who knows?! But what we don't have now is the knowledge (tacit or explicit) to do all this and more.

Now if there is thing called free will, you probably can't circumvent the free will of others, in which case you have to enter the world of simulation. Or have your own universe where you "oversee" your "subjects". If that is possible then no reason to think that it hasn't already happened, that we are indeed the "subjects" that somebody from the future is "overseeing"!

Interesting theory. By any chance has this got to do with Special Relativity? I am studying a similar text on time travel and existence of parallel universe based on SR.😲

Sweet dreams!

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Posted: 14 years ago

"The more I study science the more I believe in God," Albert Einstein .
(source or link for when and where Einstein said this please)

I believe in the creator of science and we humans cant prove all wondrousness of Nature!!😊
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Posted: 14 years ago


1) Actually, I don't think anyone said it was irrational to believe in God. What we are calling irrational is blind belief taking no pause to know or understand rationally. I don't consider myself an atheist, but I believe that I have free will and rational thought for a good reason.

2) If you could list every miracle you have encountered, I could come up with plausible explanations. Since I don't live your life, it would be up to you to test all the hypothesis.

3) Everything has its pros and cons, religion and priests, science and scientists. Pointing out flaws does not mean denying the positive aspects. No rational person can deny that there are beautiful aspects to all religions, and incredible people from all faiths. That does not mean one does not point out flaws or make criticism.

4) Speaking of good, I have always been curious of the true nature of good. Who is truly good?A person who is good because of a message from God, either to align with what is taught in scripture or of fear of being punished. Or it a person who really knows no God or scripture, but is good because intrinsically they are good, and they could not think any other way. What is a greater morality? Morality that depends on doctrine of good and evil, reward and punishment or morality built on faith and goodwill towards humanity?

5) I actually just moved a mountain. Its one of the mountains on Mars. I moved it two millimeters to the left. I felt the mountain, I was one with the mountain, I know the mountain and I felt it move.
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Posted: 14 years ago
talk about meandering threads
chicken-egg/egg-chicken----- religion vs science ---- faith vs rationality---------- mind power over body 😲
That belongs to the body- mind thread 🤔 😲 Grrr...I object !!!!!!!! 😡
Now tell me fair or unfair , ethical or not 😒
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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: zorrro

talk about meandering threads

chicken-egg/egg-chicken----- religion vs science ---- faith vs rationality---------- mind power over body 😲

That belongs to the body- mind thread 🤔😲 <font size="4">Grrr...I object !!!!!!!!</font>😡

Now tell me fair or unfair , ethical or not 😒



Ah you are the greatest Zorro Bhai.
😆
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Posted: 14 years ago
Please Read Sri Aurobindo's Supermind theory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermind_%28Integral_thought%29

Even moving a mountain or crumbling the entire cosmology in one's fist is a child's play if one achieves that 100% intelligence. This is what Vedas have always said. Unfortunately some dimwits have misinterpreted and tampered our Ancient science and propagated illogical ritualism and superstitions, the highest among which is separation of Humanity and Divinity.

Atheism doesn't mean rejection of divinity. It means faith in the divinity within one's own soul - faith in the Supersoul embedded in Soul and Supermind embedded in Mind. Just like an atom loses electrons and ultimately the entire positive charge of nucleus is equal to the charge of the atom or ion, similarly when one removes layers of ignorance and achieves a state of complete awareness, the soul becomes Supersoul and Mind becomes Supermind and that man himself is Almighty. He is himself Sat-chit-Anand.

I have opposed Abrahamic religions, not because I hate Chistians or Muslims. I am myself a half-Muslim by birth. I just found many tenets of Abrahamic religion as illogical and rather dictatorial. The same goes with modern Hinduism as well.
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Posted: 14 years ago
Then let's start hunting for the person who has achieved 100 % intelligence, & ask him/her to try moving a mountain literally. 😆

Such type of humans even if existed, aren't yet found, so that's why the distinction between human & divine. 😉
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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: .Doe.

Then let's start hunting for the person who has achieved 100 % intelligence, & ask him/her to try moving a mountain literally. 😆


Such type of humans even if existed, aren't yet found, so that's why the distinction between human & divine. 😉


But that doesn't mean its not achievable. Does it? Vedas speak of higher minds who, inspite of being physically weak and old, drank up oceans and crushed mountains merely with a thought. And they were not magicians or Avatars. They were simply Awakened souls.

We always have a choice between right and easy. The easiest way, or the way of the escapists, is to accept defeat, consider oneself dirt and start praying to 'God' in a hope to solve all problems or achieve heaven.

When man does that he doesn't gain faith in God, he actually loses faith in himself and that, in my opinion, is the worst form of blasphemy.😛
Edited by Darklord_Rehan - 14 years ago

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