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Originally posted by: _Vrish_

Songs? What a lame way to 'repackage' something that's already been shown. The entire original serial incidentally is available from their website, which I have made into playlists: I list that in the video archives here.

In the article, they mention the 2 shows that were running in the 7-8pm slot. What they don't mention is that those shows were moved there from their original prime time slots in order to fit in a stupid reality show, and that's when the trps of these shows tanked. But viewers who were Ramayan devotees have already seen these serials - it's not like they're going to change the stories, or show more or less things here. Incidentally, are they showing just Baalkand, as the promo seems to indicate, or the full thing? They could alter a great deal of stuff, such as shrink the Ahi-Mahi episodes, show more of the battles before the appearance of Ravan, Kumbhakarna and Indrajit, in the Uttarkand show more family scenes and lose the Swarna kamal saga, and refine what they showed @ the end. In particular, have KL actually sing the Ramayan, instead of having the voice-overs sing it for them.

But they can't do all that stuff, since it would mean having to recall all the actors, a lot of whom may be busy w/ other shows. So they can only chop things here and there, and insert music here & there, but not much else. Hence, this is not something worth watching, if one has already seen it the first time.

Originally posted by: _Vrish_

Songs? What a lame way to 'repackage' something that's already been shown. The entire original serial incidentally is available from their website, which I have made into playlists: I list that in the video archives here.

Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunath

Also, the DVDs are available and NDTV Imagine uploaded the whole show in HQ on youtube...fans have already watched it much more than once through reruns in other channels, DVDs, and youtube. They won't get as many TRPs as the original run, if that's what they're hoping for.🤓

Yup, the only reason one would watch something again would be if something has been added, not if something has been deleted. And what they're describing doesn't sound much different from the VMs some fans put together for their favorite jodis. (The playlist I put together is NDTV's videos, not mine, I only uploaded the parts I liked).

In their YouTube promo, they mentioned that they're showing Baalkand, not the entire story. Incidentally, when they reran the serial on Sunday mornings, do you know how much they had covered? Last I looked in RF where Swati was discussing the episodes, they seem to have stopped somewhere during the Ahi-Mahi saga.

This serial has ~300 episodes, so I hope they've really thought this thru. If they just want to show Baalkand, fine. But if they're going to show the whole thing, they need to do it justice.

Thanks for these videos. It took me a bit for Kush to sink in as Krishna. But these weapons were right out of RS Ramayan, and so were the songs. The Sagars seem to have a very limited tune collection - the battle songs were the same as that b/w Lakshman-Indrajit and Luv-Lakshman.

The battles were more realistic, except I doubt that Krishna used his sudarshan chakra for the sake of creating panic in the enemy camp while they were massacred. Rest of it they showed fine. I wonder whether Balaram's use of the plowshare was like was shown - I thought that he used his plow for non-warlike uses, and his primary weapon was the mace. (I once asked on RF whether he or Krishna ended up w/ Vishnu's mace - don't recall the answers)

Who were the rulers? And in the last video, who was the prince who questioned the wisdom of waging war on Krishna? Doesn't sound like Rukmi - he hated Krishna. In fact who were the various rulers on Jarasandha's side who battled Krishna & Balaram? Which one was Sishupala, which one Rukmi, which one Shalva, which one Dantavakra, which one Purandara, and so on?

One thing I found strange was that in those 17 wars, no major rulers were killed. Yup, Krishna had promised Sishupala's mother that he'd forgive her 100 times, but he made no such promises regarding Jarasandha, Shalva, Dantavakra and so on. How come he didn't take them out on those occasions?

Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunath

Ramanand Sagar showed the Jarasandh track in SK pretty accurately. I don't remember the BRC version since I saw mostly the MB epis over and over, but here are some of the SK vids. They do mention that he fought with Jarsandh 17 times (they show two battles and the other ones are described in the song, since it would be repetitive to show each and every one). And they did show Krishna fighting with a bow and arrow, and later on Balram and Jarasandh fighting with a mace.

You can take a look at these if you want.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qowJv77_yLo[/YOUTUBE]

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_2u2fJlABk&feature=related[/YOUTUBE]

2nd Battle

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvwZFm1dEKE&feature=related[/YOUTUBE]

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNkIUJH62Fg&feature=related[/YOUTUBE]

Jarasandha's son's name was Sahadev, so that makes sense. But he was just a boy when he was crowned, so not likely to be involved in such discussions.

Incidentally, at what point did Ramanand Sagar's SK end? I mean did it end w/ the destruction of the Yadavas, or w/ Krishna destroying all his enemies, or the Pandava victory @ Kurukshetra, or other?

Originally posted by: _Vrish_

Jarasandha's son's name was Sahadev, so that makes sense. But he was just a boy when he was crowned, so not likely to be involved in such discussions.

Incidentally, at what point did Ramanand Sagar's SK end? I mean did it end w/ the destruction of the Yadavas, or w/ Krishna destroying all his enemies, or the Pandava victory @ Kurukshetra, or other?

They ended after Banasur was defeated and asked forgiveness and returned Aniruddha and Usha and Krishna and Shiva declared their oneness and on general request, Krishna displayed His Viraat Swaroop once again.

Originally posted by: _Vrish_

Thanks for these videos. It took me a bit for Kush to sink in as Krishna. Lols, if you'd seen him from the beginning, you would have gotten quite used to him as Krishna.😆 But yes, it took me a bit time as well when I used to see random Swapnil vids of SK before buying the DVDs and starting from the beginning. But these weapons were right out of RS Ramayan, and so were the songs. The Sagars seem to have a very limited tune collection - the battle songs were the same as that b/w Lakshman-Indrajit and Luv-Lakshman. You'll see this tune (as well as the weapons) many times throughout SK, especially during the adult Krishna phase...I guess they just did not want to bother with different tunes and weapons when they already had something from Ramayan.

The battles were more realistic, except I doubt that Krishna used his sudarshan chakra for the sake of creating panic in the enemy camp while they were massacred. I guess no serial can show Krishna without his Sudarshan Chakra, even in one battle.😆 That was my initial impression as well. I wondered what the point of the Sudarshan Chakra was. Rest of it they showed fine. I wonder whether Balaram's use of the plowshare was like was shown - I thought that he used his plow for non-warlike uses, and his primary weapon was the mace. (I once asked on RF whether he or Krishna ended up w/ Vishnu's mace - don't recall the answers) I think Balram's primary weapon was the mace, but I recall reading that he used the plough quite a bit as well, especially against 'difficult' enemies.

Who were the rulers? I have to watch the vids again myself to recall the exact names, but they were all allies of Kans who were enraged with Krishna for killing their friend, but I remember for sure that Rukmi, Shalva, Sishupal, Dantavakra, and Banasur were of the group. I think Bhagadatta might have been, but not sure. And in the last video, who was the prince who questioned the wisdom of waging war on Krishna? As Lola said, he was Jarasandh's son whom no one took that seriously since he was the youngest of them all. Doesn't sound like Rukmi - he hated Krishna. In fact who were the various rulers on Jarasandha's side who battled Krishna & Balaram? Which one was Sishupala, which one Rukmi, which one Shalva, which one Dantavakra, which one Purandara, and so on? Did Purandara also fight Krishna I thought he never had any contact with him before.

One thing I found strange was that in those 17 wars, no major rulers were killed. Yup, Krishna had promised Sishupala's mother that he'd forgive her 17 times, but he made no such promises regarding Jarasandha, Shalva, Dantavakra and so on. How come he didn't take them out on those occasions? Jarasandha was destined to be killed by Bhima, so Krishna could not dishonor Bhima's destiny by killing him. Also, the time had not yet come for Dantavakra to be killed, for God only kills someone when their sins escalate and Dantavakra was not yet that sinful to be killed by God himself. As for Shalva, I think it is the same for him...I don't remember who killed him later on. Was it Yudhisthira or Krishna himself?

Originally posted by: _Vrish_

Jarasandha's son's name was Sahadev, so that makes sense. But he was just a boy when he was crowned, so not likely to be involved in such discussions.

Incidentally, at what point did Ramanand Sagar's SK end? I mean did it end w/ the destruction of the Yadavas, or w/ Krishna destroying all his enemies, or the Pandava victory @ Kurukshetra, or other?

I remember for sure that Rukmi, Shalva, Sishupal, Dantavakra, and Banasur were of the group. I think Bhagadatta might have been, but not sure.

Banasur couldn't have been there - he had no contact w/ Krishna b4 Anirudha eloped w/ Usha. In fact, he once went to Shiva and complained about his 1000 arms being useless, and Shiva cursed him that a force equal to him would defeat Banasura. Had Banasura fought Krishna in this war, Shiva too would have had to fight on Jarasandha's side. So no!

Bhagadatta was Narakasura's son, and just a boy when Krishna killed his father and crowned him. He had no enemity w/ Krishna. I would be interested to know how he ended up on the Kaurava side in the war, and how was he so aged, when Krishna killed his father and enthroned him, and Krishna wasn't an aged man in Kurukshetra, and Bhagadatta was much younger than him.

Purandara, otoh, was an enemy of Krishna - he was one of Shishupala's allies who was defeated when Krishna abducted Rukmini and Balarama routed Jarasandh's & Shishupala's forces. He returned to his kingdom, and was totally depressed, so his courtiers and subject started a cult worshipping him as the true avatar of Vishnu. He started believing it himself, and invited Krishna to surrender his divinity to him, and they faced each other. Krishna killed him w/ the sudarshan chakra, and also the ruler of Kashi, who was his ally.

Reason I asked the question was that all the above enemies of Krishna, w/ the exception of Jarasandha, were killed by Krishna. Unlike in the cases of Duryodhan & Dushashan, Bhima never swore to kill Jarasandha, so Krishna or Balarama were @ liberty to kill him. I think Balaram could have killed him the same way Bhima did, and they could have freed all the kings. Similarly, Krishna ended up killing Shalva, Dantavakra, Purandara and other enemies anyway, so he could have just killed them in those battles. Shishupala was the only case where Krishna had promised his mausi that he'd spare him 100 times, so there, he didn't have a choice. In fact, that would have been easier - as he noted in video 1, he'd not have to go and hunt for them. But he killed Purandara & Dantavakra by going and hunting for them, he waited until Shalva laid waste to Dwaraka. I didn't get why he didn't finish them off in those wars themselves.

Lola, Vidhi & her vidhans were there for more khatarnag purposes, like the wacky tales we saw in the AS Ramayan. 😆

Exit question: I think Shalva would have been a much nicer & happier ruler had he honorably been allowed to marry Amba, w/o Bheeshma sticking his nose in b/w. Anyone agree w/ me?