CID why still so popular ? - Page 7

Originally posted by: Summer3

Well the budget and the target audience for the two shows are different.

TRP means advertising dollars. sometimes these shows do run out of stories especially with their plan to make it a biweekly programme. CID show does not make use of songs n dances or sexy bodies or modern hi-tech devices or aciton drama to attract viewers.

It has survived on storylines and suspense. Basically it dwells on the theme of proper execution of justice.

Originally posted by: Summer3

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Originally posted by: -Sneha

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Originally posted by: debayon

All I would like to say is that yet CID and L&O cannot be compared....the budget is different. Yes, you may be thinking that I am harping on the same chord, but believe me, CID has a really low budget in comparsion to shows like Special Squad and Powder. Besides, how the heck do you compare dollars and rupees? As you may know that a dollar is equivalent to around 60 rupees(yes, inflation is high). So, the market value of products here in the US is much, much cheaper than that in India. Now I am not defending CID's investigation process by any means. It has too many holes in it, but it has dared to stand up to the lame soaps and has acheived it's purpose. Unfortunately, what the problem has been is that it has been caught up in the game of TRP's, something that is ruining the Indian televison industry. Like the IPL, TV has turned into a market and a much more bigger one at that. SInce CID has gone on for so long, Sony has been putting pressure on it to get higher TRP's to get in the game and as a result, the scriptwriters have been put in a tight spot.This strategy works but look at the affect of it. As a loyal fan, I am pained to see the antics done on the show just for TRP's, Freddy's mockery, clues coming out of nowhere, the criminal confessed just by getting slapped etc... But it has been a very important part of my life and I am not going to lose hope on it just now. No siree!!! That means 12 years of my life going to waste, that's certainly not happening to me.

And as I said before, don't think that just because we're fans, we find it spotless. Check this thread out, and look at the complaints we have made to BP Singh, https://india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1384959 I am not telling you to join the CID forum or anything, but just glance through it when you have time or if you want to see it.

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Now there are valid stances that can claim that my perspective is biased as an L&O fan. Or a real solid defense of CID citing elements of a good crime show specifically in India for Indian audiences laying out cultural differences, eliciting their significance, and why CID has to be evaluated from that special perspective and then proving why CID is still good despite flaws ' based on those elements.

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

First of on an unrelated note, currencies of two nations can be compared. It is done all the time. Of course it involves complicated CPI and cost of living adjustments ' but it is inaccurate to say you cannot compare currencies. err, currency and tv shows are diff things all together.

More on topic though ' on what basis do you say that L&O and CID cannot be compared? Seems like you are saying that it is wrong to do so only on the basis of budget.

Budget is merely one aspect of a television show or movie. Considering that successful blockbusters and television shows have been made on shoestring budgets and some big budget magnum opus have been pathetic duds, budget is really irrelevant. It would be one thing if we were saying CID is inferior because of low special effects, sets, cinematography or other budget related aspects. It would be incorrect if we were comparing a crime thriller to sitcoms or a musical or something of that sort ' but there is nothing wrong in comparing the crime thriller genre within itself.

So what are elements that make up a good crime thriller

The Hook ' the ability to reel viewers in and keep them engrossed. This is imperative.

The Plot ' a concrete cohesive story flow

The Investigation ' the actual quality of the detective work

The Procedure ' the actual sensibility and reasonableness and legitimacy of procedure

Realism ' how realistic is the show, is that possible

Characters ' how well etched the characters are

Screenplay ' a taut script that brings all the elements cleanly together

Acting ' a no brainer really, how believable they are

Entertainment value ' How entertaining it is

Stand out ' how it stands to competing shows and viewership ratings in general

After effect ' the impact the show makes

Budget is not an element here because a big budget can create all glossed out things like snazzy sets, expensive costumes and camera work, high promotions and all that jazz ' but even the biggest budget on earth cannot buy the relevant elements. We all know that quality actors and script writers are not necessarily the most expensive ones, there are some really excellent breakthrough people who work for modest to even cheap budgets. Research into realism, procedure, etc is inexpensive. Public records, newspapers, internet research, public libraries ' all inexpensive resources even in India. The penal code, the legal procedure, civilian rights, police limitations are all publically accessible information.

While the hook for CID no longer works with me, it is a pretty good hook and a lot of people are drawn in instantaneously. Barring a few people the actors also do a good job, overzealous at times ' but on the whole decent. It is entertaining in such that it relies less on traditional drama of crime thrillers and more on light family entertainment. It really stands out because it is unique. There are not many crime thrillers in India, television is mostly soap and for discerning viewers who want something different ' CID is a great alternative. Perhaps that is what explains the popularity ' it is the only long lasting different show in a sea of soaps and reality shows.

totally agree with you here.

But that is it, that is as far as the quality or importance of CID goes. The rest of it is really sad actually. Plot lines have detiorated and jump the shark. The investigation is a series of deux est machine. The procedure is some mumbo jumbo made up by the creators that has nothing to do with proper criminal justice in India. Characters can be ridiculously absurd.exactly!!! and they are just getting lazy with hiring extra's and supporting cast - such awful actors! Screenplay is poor. Worst realism does not exist in the world of the makers as cops search and arrest without valid warrants, warrants appear magically without going to the attorney, they place suspects under illegal duress or even waltz about the crime scene like they are in a park. My pet peeve is the wagged finger confirmation of a death sentence - when the last carried out death sentence in India was back in 2004 and death sentence is very rare reserved for the worst criminals. And Jesus Christ ' the case is not even in trail yet. With that shoddy of an investigation and a beaten out confession without a lawyer ' that's a case thrown out the door ' forget death sentence ' it won't even result in conviction. yep, too unrealistic.

Compare that to L&O which has most of everything nailed spot on (Of course there have been a the WTF episodes there too) Moreover, L&O stands out because it is a quality show ' not because people's choices are limited. There is a plethora of crime shows and a variety of entertainment. L&O does not have the benefit of being refreshingly different simply because it is different from whats on TV ' it is so because it is a darn good well made show. And back in 1990 the L&O franchise had very humble beginnings and has grown to be the franchise it is on the quality of the show ' and L&O has had some duds like Trial By Jury and Conviction despite the budget and pre-popularity it commands otherwise.yep, altho i feel l and o is a bit too realistic and over dark, not really much of a family show like cid.

Bottom line is quality of the show ' period. CID lacks the quality to make a good crime thriller and in my opinion is only popular because of the very limited options in Indian television and the general dearth of crime shows. The truth is it should not make the cut as a good crime show in India too because it has shown absolutely no growth, and really does not do justice to its own potential. Now I am not saying that the fans of the show are blind to its flaws. Of course fans have been vocal about flaws. The only difference is fans are capable to love the show despite the flaws. As a fan of the crime thriller genre, I have grown out of my prior love for CID ' and I can no longer love it because it is so flawed. To me it is dated material that has no value to me, it is discarded from my viewership ' and the single word synonym for the preceding is for some bizarre reason offensive. Go figure.i feel that cid was amazing in its prime, the BEST actually, but over time it got a bit stale and also only someone below 18 would really find it logical. For example, theres a show where a middle class schoolgirl pays some watchman 2 lakhs to kill some girl coz she was never made the high school captain of the b'ball team.

Now there are valid stances that can claim that my perspective is biased as an L&O fan. Or a real solid defense of CID citing elements of a good crime show specifically in India for Indian audiences laying out cultural differences, eliciting their significance, and why CID has to be evaluated from that special perspective and then proving why CID is still good despite flaws ' based on those elements.

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Originally posted by: Gauri_3

Something tells me you want this debate to keep going😆