Taliban in India. True! - Page 2

Originally posted by: chal_phek_mat

Lets lite some debating fire under this😉

Taleban doesnt allow women folk to study or work or do things to beautify themselves, Their means are throwing acid on the face of the women and/or killing the women. As far as I know no sexual content, no molestation. In India you can find this type of behaviour in the northern state of Kashmir. You can almost tie it up to a particular religion.

The folks in Mangalore didnt want the women folk to visit bars, smoke, etc. Their means are beating up the women. Molestation is something that is sexual, there was no sexual advance in this case. In India this has been seen in a lot of places, Mumbai, Mangalore, Gujarat. This kind of moral policing varies from being preachy(this gene is present in almost all Desi's irrespective to gender/religion😉) to being physical in natural(this is also seen in all genders/religions)

So the folks in Mangalore are not like Taliban😉

Let us refer to them as socio-moral extremist organizations. Extremism has to be taken in time and context. During the time of the underground railroad if a plantation owner found his runaway slave working in a factory in Boston, he could chain him then and there and drag him back to Atlanta. While the underground railroad workers would find him wrong, he was not an extremist. In fact plantation sent hunting groups to find runaway slaves and bring them back. Nowadays if someone did that they would be called racists, extremists lunatics.

Similarly, India is considered to be a progressive country. It is a democratic country with certain freedom given to everybody. If people had rounded up women to behave back in the days where women were neither seen nor heard, it would be normal behavior frowned by some. Nowadays it is extreme lunacy. There still are countries in the world where society is not progressive and true free democracy does not exist. In these countries the extremities reach disproportional heights. However, in India such behavior is equitable to socio-moral extremist organizations out there. For it to be milder and less problematic, India would have to step backward in time to a time where womens rights did not exist.

This does not classify as molestation as there is no physical sexual intention. However, it does classify as assault and battery. It is also harassment as a group was being singled out to bother, it also classifies as sexual harassment as gender was used as a means to discriminate the harassment. It could potentially classify as molestation too because the battery consisted of 'continued touching' even after the women requesting the person to 'back off'. Just depends on how loosely the lawmaker wants to interpret it.

For such an incident to occur in country that claims to be the worlds largest democracy - yes the people in Mangalore are just like our nations own socio-moral extremists - The Klan for Kleansing women in society.

Originally posted by: bheegi

Well, they are kind of like Taliban because they think they are the moral and religious police for the religion and area. Even if they oppress women in a way different from the Afghani Taliban, the motive is the same- OPPRESSION of women in the name of religion. Unfortunately, these people don't understand their own religion too well. Where in Hindu scriptures is it written that women cannot enjoy themselves the way they want to? In fact, women had an equal if not a higher status in the ancient Hindu society. It's only later, after the Mughals invaded India, that women started being oppressed in the name of religion.

Originally posted by: sandya_rao7

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all this atarted only aafter mughal invasion and it was also done to protect them

That needs to be stressed upon 😃

this thing is certainly not going to last in india for sure.

Originally posted by: sandya_rao7

this thing is certainly not going to last in india for sure.

india is not a country which will see this happen with its eyes closed. i t was just a way for them to come in news nothing else. this is a stunt not very diff to the ones by raj thakrey who now says all people staying in maharashtra should know marathi.

ofcourse its a publicity stunt by morons, having very limited thinking abilities, who don't even deserve they all being discussed about here.

https://www.rediff.com/news/2009/jan/29-apply-anti-terror-laws-for-mangalore-attackers.htm

So, they are planning to put an end to pub culture in Karnataka. Whats next? Getting Sati Pratha / veil culture in effect?

(no offy mean Pm, can edit)

It is amazing to see that we still talk about the moghuls. They are history. The English also are history. We are now an independant country with its own constituion. The leaders elected by us have a responsibility towards us. What they do after being elected is another thing. Today the Chief Minister of Karnataka uttered some words of not allowing this club system. Why then were the permissions to open them given? At the time of giving permissions(licences) they suck out a lot of money from the establishments. Now that they see these establishments are minting money they come out with such statements. Indian population does not deserve these kind of politicians. Talking of talibanism, yes definitely it is a type of taliban which wants to spread unnecessary phobia amongst the Indian women. Why cant the Indian women have the same rights as the Indian men? If a lady can work and earn for her family why cant she have the right to go and enjoy in a pub. Smoking or drinking does not make her any different. If the Chief Minister allows them to drink in their homes why not in the company of friends in a pub?

Originally posted by: RUSmart

It is amazing to see that we still talk about the moghuls. They are history. The English also are history. We are now an independant country with its own constituion. The leaders elected by us have a responsibility towards us. What they do after being elected is another thing. Today the Chief Minister of Karnataka uttered some words of not allowing this club system. Why then were the permissions to open them given? At the time of giving permissions(licences) they suck out a lot of money from the establishments. Now that they see these establishments are minting money they come out with such statements. Indian population does not deserve these kind of politicians. Talking of talibanism, yes definitely it is a type of taliban which wants to spread unnecessary phobia amongst the Indian women. Why cant the Indian women have the same rights as the Indian men? If a lady can work and earn for her family why cant she have the right to go and enjoy in a pub. Smoking or drinking does not make her any different. If the Chief Minister allows them to drink in their homes why not in the company of friends in a pub?

When India was progressing(and it still is) people started talking about big salaries, and good jobs. This is a good sign of progress. And now that these people have seen good money, what is wrong in spending it with friends? Trying to stop women and keeping them indoors will result in talibanism. It is not necessary to molest a woman to be called a taliban. Harrassing them also results in acts similar to those of the taliban.

Beating isnot a part of our culture either - in that sense this is a sneak preview of taliban.. but also as far as those women were concerned

Originally posted by: raj5000

https://www.rediff.com/news/2009/jan/29-apply-anti-terror-laws-for-mangalore-attackers.htm

So, they are planning to put an end to pub culture in Karnataka. Whats next? Getting Sati Pratha / veil culture in effect?

*DISGUSTING*

(no offy mean Pm, can edit)

This reminds me of the prohibition era. We all know how it boosted underground liquor sales.

Culture is not enforced, beaten or legislated. It is what a person truly believes and wants to follow. Enforcing culture will make us no less than dictators. If people do not want to accept our culture, the least we can do is not give them a reason to resent it or rebel even more. The tighter you try to hold something, the more likely it will slip through.