Qarz E Jaan (HUM) #4 - Usama, Nameer, Yumna | DT.N. Pg 136 - Page 52

Originally posted by: Achelvi

https://x.com/elawnmushk/status/1894428931673264492?t=tFsnCLj0yzNoCeIymMW1LA&s=19

Burhan and Nashwa in AU

https://x.com/aestheticallyFM/status/1894437550082986338?t=pOgweJ8ic2Spyir3-cZD4Q&s=19

It's like someone saw the future

Originally posted by: Sparkle232

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It's like someone saw the future

This pink bakri is from that funny VM with murtasim too

Originally posted by: Sparkle232

I agree partially. But I still think they handled it so casually.

Imagine if they showed nashwa & bisma showing wary reaction towards ammar. I know they have no agency. But it doesn't mean they pretend as if ammar didn't commit a crime.

When family planning for ammar faryal marriage, small conversation between mother and daughter how they are concerned for faryal because ammar is rape accused. I don't even expect nashwa to warn faryal. But atleast a concerned reaction from her side.

Instead of nashwa going alone to ammar and his friends as if she doesn't know how dangerous they can be, show her going to his place by mistake.

When ammar saved her from his creepy friend just a monologue of nashwa saying how man like ammar who don't mind disrespecting other woman can't tolerate the same if it is about their family women.

Little things like these makes big difference to the viewing experience.

I totally understand where you’re coming from. But we have to keep in mind the theme of this story. Which is Bisma and Nashwa’s parallels and Nashwa ultimately ending up in the same situation as her mother: married to a man like Ammar just like Bisma was married to Behzad, who was not just sick but also shady according to Bakhtiyar. For me the balance is just right in order to get this problematic parallel to happen. Which we are dreading but it IS a crucial part of the story. And there’s a reason the case will open post marriage.

If Nashwa was shown to be too outwardly challenging - she still is for me, but within her limits as a dependent of that family - this marriage would be out of question. We as the audience would expect her to NEVER go through with it, not even for Bisma/Asim. Bilkul believable nahi hona tha.

The writer by showing Nashwa as not so smart (you’re giving her too much credit if you think she is, she’s not) and having a blind spot when it comes to someone she grew up with, had an entire childhood with, makes sense for THIS story. It’s not being treated casually but it’s something that we aren’t USED to seeing. It’s weird for us to see dynamics within a family who’re nurturing and harbouring a criminal. But that’s the story.

It’s supposed to make us uncomfortable. The heroine is marrying a criminal. Yeh koi choti baat nahi hai. But a criminal she grew up with nonetheless who she also can’t stand up against because she’s dependent on that family. Kiya tha na? She got slaps by her Dadi and that’s it. Aur kya karay?

The way it’s been set up, we might be uncomfortable with it, but this is part of the story and has to happen. I only care about if it’s been told to me in a believable way and for me it has. And it’s mostly because I know we will come back to Maheen’s case eventually and also Ammar hasn’t been absolved of his crimes and harkatain yet. They’re constantly in the background.

For a show which is having so many important and meaningful conversations about other things, it’s highly unlikely this crucial arc will not be handled responsibly. But we have to wait. Abhi tak the writing hasn’t disappointed me. Let’s see aagay kya hota hai.

Originally posted by: khamosshhh

Really liked this analysis and it's so true. Sidra, Bisma and Nashwa have no say whatsoever in the household and all 3 are at the mercy of the matriarch and get son to various degrees, so yes they can't take a stand against Ammar. Sidra as the mother, so she has that maternal love towards Ammar and it's understandable. Bisma too seems to have a fondness for Ammar, which is again something that works against her, for me at least. Nashwa in her own ways tried to get back at him. But I wish they would have shown more disgust towards Ammar from the people of the house, especially the females.

It’s frustrating because we as the audience want these women to react how normal people would react to such a criminal. But this isn’t a normal household. It’s a criminal and toxic household where Bisma and Nashwa have been suppressed and controlled for decades. They’re all flawed characters, burdened by their past traumas. Even when we see them try, they’re immediately shut down. So acceptance and minding their own business is part of daily survival for them. Ammar is an untouchable for Nashwa. Going against the aakhri waaris of their messed up family is like beckoning hell upon herself and her mother.

Originally posted by: Stormborn01

I totally understand where you’re coming from. But we have to keep in mind the theme of this story. Which is Bisma and Nashwa’s parallels and Nashwa ultimately ending up in the same situation as her mother: married to a man like Ammar just like Bisma was married to Behzad, who was not just sick but also shady according to Bakhtiyar. For me the balance is just right in order to get this problematic parallel to happen. Which we are dreading but it IS a crucial part of the story. And there’s a reason the case will open post marriage.

If Nashwa was shown to be too outwardly challenging - she still is for me, but within her limits as a dependent of that family - this marriage would be out of question. We as the audience would expect her to NEVER go through with it, not even for Bisma/Asim. Bilkul believable nahi hona tha.

The writer by showing Nashwa as not so smart (you’re giving her too much credit if you think she is, she’s not) and having a blind spot when it comes to someone she grew up with, had an entire childhood with, makes sense for THIS story. It’s not being treated casually but it’s something that we aren’t USED to seeing. It’s weird for us to see dynamics within a family who’re nurturing and harbouring a criminal. But that’s the story.

It’s supposed to make us uncomfortable. The heroine is marrying a criminal. Yeh koi choti baat nahi hai. But a criminal she grew up with nonetheless who she also can’t stand up against because she’s dependent on that family. Kiya tha na? She got slaps by her Dadi and that’s it. Aur kya karay?

The way it’s been set up, we might be uncomfortable with it, but this is part of the story and has to happen. I only care about if it’s been told to me in a believable way and for me it has. And it’s mostly because I know we will come back to Maheen’s case eventually and also Ammar hasn’t been absolved of his crimes and harkatain yet. They’re constantly in the background.

For a show which is having so many important and meaningful conversations about other things, it’s highly unlikely this crucial arc will not be handled responsibly. But we have to wait. Abhi tak the writing hasn’t disappointed me. Let’s see aagay kya hota hai.

It is making sense if we think from this perspective.

I understand they want to show nashwa facing same fate as bisma. But I would want some strong reason for her to marry a rapist. It shouldn't be like asim uncle and maa will get marry plot. Because unlike bisma, nashwa is educated and independent. She has support of beejan, asim and burhan. Next week episodes will be crucial and interesting.

Have been following the conversations here for a while but haven't pitched in much mostly because of how the thread progressed to be. But since it's back on track mostly here's my 2cents.

I hope that just for the sake of showing parallels between Bisma and Nashwa - they do NOT end up marrying Nashwa and Amaar - Nashwa can just not agree to that - she has a strong job and a great career ahead and with her earning I see no reason why she should succumb to this marriage.

Also, I had a feeling that the only reason despite knowing of Ammar being a rapist or at least an enabler of rape and murder, she is still able to be around him and not show as much disgust as a woman would toward a known rapist is because she's grown up with him - kinda more like a brother so she doesn't fear him raping her sort of - i find it odd that having grown up together in the same household and more in a brother-sister fashion to consider marriage ..seems a bit incesty to me to have them fall in love or whatever the plan is.

At this point there is no financial dependence on old lady or her son that nashwa should succumb to their needs. Bisma can marry Asim and they can move to Asim's house while Nashwa continues to work and fight for Maheen's justice!!!

Originally posted by: vdna

Have been following the conversations here for a while but haven't pitched in much mostly because of how the thread progressed to be. But since it's back on track mostly here's my 2cents.

I hope that just for the sake of showing parallels between Bisma and Nashwa - they do NOT end up marrying Nashwa and Amaar - Nashwa can just not agree to that - she has a strong job and a great career ahead and with her earning I see no reason why she should succumb to this marriage.

Also, I had a feeling that the only reason despite knowing of Ammar being a rapist or at least an enabler of rape and murder, she is still able to be around him and not show as much disgust as a woman would toward a known rapist is because she's grown up with him - kinda more like a brother so she doesn't fear him raping her sort of - i find it odd that having grown up together in the same household and more in a brother-sister fashion to consider marriage ..seems a bit incesty to me to have them fall in love or whatever the plan is.

At this point there is no financial dependence on old lady or her son that nashwa should succumb to their needs. Bisma can marry Asim and they can move to Asim's house while Nashwa continues to work and fight for Maheen's justice!!!

Second that.

Nashwa has a job

Asim is ready to accept them

Legally bakthiyar family have no right to control them

So she has no reason to agree to marry such kind of man. Let's see if they show any other valid reason for her to agree to it.

Originally posted by: Sparkle232

Second that.

Nashwa has a job

Asim is ready to accept them

Legally bakthiyar family have no right to control them

So she has no reason to agree to marry such kind of man. Let's see if they show any other valid reason for her to agree to it.

From the promo, it is very certain that Nashwa will marry Ammar. Otherwise why on earth,will she be in his room in a bridal dress. And she looks dejected too.

I really hope they show a strong reason. I can't believe, Bisma will happily get married to Asim putting Nashwa life at stake

Yes, I see no strong reason - particularly with Burhan and Asim's support, she is going to have her job and earn money as they can't be threatened to remove her from work. Also, as a lawyer, I think Nashwa should also fight for her father's share of money to come to her mom and her. The old lady and her son should have no control on that money. I hope the story is about taking that family down and punishing each member for their crimes and not Nashwa becoming Bisma 2.0 and then eventually falling for Amaar. that would suck cos her behavior with him after the rape allegation kind of gives me more of bro-sis vibe ..like disgust but not fear ..just like beenish is with amaar ..so very puky to consider marriage!

Originally posted by: Sparkle232

Second that.

Nashwa has a job

Asim is ready to accept them

Legally bakthiyar family have no right to control them

So she has no reason to agree to marry such kind of man. Let's see if they show any other valid reason for her to agree to it.

Originally posted by: Sparkle232

It is making sense if we think from this perspective.

I understand they want to show nashwa facing same fate as bisma. But I would want some strong reason for her to marry a rapist. It shouldn't be like asim uncle and maa will get marry plot. Because unlike bisma, nashwa is educated and independent. She has support of beejan, asim and burhan. Next week episodes will be crucial and interesting.

Nashwa is not independent yet. She couldn’t even pursue her education or a job without the elders in the family allowing her to do so, woh bhi after a lot of groveling and begging. Bi Jaan, Asim and Burhan aren’t people she can financially count on since they are still very much outsiders. Her mother still treats Asim like a stranger.

She’s educated but she’s been surrounded by toxicity her whole life. Maheen’s case is the one we, the audience, are witnessing. But this isn’t Ammar’s first crime. What is shocking for us is something that’s been normalised in that household as Ammar just being Ammar. Be it drugs or bigger crimes. He has ALWAYS been trouble. Criminal history pehle se hai long before Maheen even happened.

I feel we are expecting reactions from these characters as if these are normal people. En main se koi bhi normal nahi hai, including Nashwa and Bisma. They’re all carrying a massive baggage.