Support for Israel- DT Note pg 25, 30 (SM updates added) - Page 37

Originally posted by: NimbuMirchi

So Palestinian leadership didn’t want peace?

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Now they are trying to get their flock to boycott Israeli product. Talk about cutting the nose to spite the face. Just when one thinks they cant get any dumber, they find a way to surprise us

Pentagon Deputy Press Secretary Sabrina Singh told reporters during a briefing Tuesday that the US Department of Defense has intelligence suggesting Hamas is using hospitals in Gaza to conceal and support military operations and hold hostages. This includes the al-Shifa hospital; Hamas operates a command control node from al-Shifa hospital in Gaza City, where they store weapons and are prepared to respond to Israeli military operations against the facility

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/department-defense-provides-insight-hamas-hospitals-fortresses-gaza-clear-evidence

This is real news and not a tweet by some nincompoop!

Palestine supporters are barking up the wrong tree. They should direct their ire at Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad and their followers, for using civilians as human shields.

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

Pentagon Deputy Press Secretary Sabrina Singh told reporters during a briefing Tuesday that the US Department of Defense has intelligence suggesting Hamas is using hospitals in Gaza to conceal and support military operations and hold hostages. This includes the al-Shifa hospital; Hamas operates a command control node from al-Shifa hospital in Gaza City, where they store weapons and are prepared to respond to Israeli military operations against the facility

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This is real news and not a tweet by some nincompoop!

Palestine supporters are barking up the wrong tree. They should direct their ire at Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad and their followers, for using civilians as human shields.

I am astonished how many of the Palestinian supporters wear "from river to sea" as their tag line, which is exactly what hamas wants. It's a line calling for the extermination of Israel. So much for these folks being innocent.

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

I am astonished how many of the Palestinian supporters wear "from river to sea" as their tag line, which is exactly what hamas wants. It's a line calling for the extermination of Israel. So much for these folks being innocent.

They know exactly what they are doing and saying. The far left knows how to exploit democracies alright.

As for innocent Gazans, yes, some of them deserve a benefit of doubt regarding their innocence but I have no stats on how many of them do not align themselves with Hamas’s ideology.There's a labyrinth of tunnels under Gaza used for transport and lines of communication, equipped with electricity, lighting and rail tracks. I find it hard to believe that all of this terrorist infrastructure exists without the express support of most Gazans. Some of them are definitely complicit.

As i was saying, let the investigations begin... into this couple and others spouting proscribed terror group hamas talking points and calling for extermination of Israel which would be holocaust 2. Hopefully they check social media activity to ensure americans are safe from nut rage.

by the way, it turns out this bozo has been not only funding pro-palestine rage but also lobbying on behalf of china's evil empire.

There's a good article there too about how just one night of bombing tehran by american B 52s can take care of the iranian nuclear blackmail.

https://www.thefp.com/p/the-american-multimillionaire-marxists

Originally posted by: NimbuMirchi

So Palestinian leadership didn’t want peace?

https://x.com/siakordestani/status/1724131534121374130?s=46&t=Q96IWrDq2C9bhu2B8fjITg

The other side of the coin.

https://x.com/PeteyNoCare/status/1724144021642129834?s=20

Sorry to come in between your convo woth Birdie.. but half stories just trigger my OCD.

Originally posted by: carisma2

The other side of the coin.

https://x.com/PeteyNoCare/status/1724144021642129834?s=20

Sorry to come in between your convo woth Birdie.. but half stories just trigger my OCD.

It’s an open forum.

You are not coming in between.
Thanks for sharing it.

https://x.com/swamy39/status/1724671146157805626?s=46&t=Q96IWrDq2C9bhu2B8fjITg

Originally posted by: carisma2

The other side of the coin.

Sorry to come in between your convo woth Birdie.. but half stories just trigger my OCD.

the professor is addressing the wrong question, and is justifying the decisions that have led them to this predicament. That said, by default, most rational people will want peace. Questions should be whether they are sincere about it, whether they are ready to make compromises to achieve it, and whether they have good decision makers. I think Palestinian leaders have failed with all 3 questions.

1. they have shown they cannot be trusted. For example, no sooner than they sign on Peace Accords, they go back and broke the accord. They send terrorists and rockets across the border. "Your word is your bond" is obviously something they dont believe in.

2. Perhaps after going back, they feel they struck a bad deal, so they change their mind. Western assessment is they kept getting offered a good deal, given relative respective strengths/ weaknesses of the two sides. But they wanted more and more and were not ready to compromise. It had to be everything their way, and they were not addressing Israel's security concerns which are legitimate given the number of times they have been attacked.

3. which brings us to point 3. They have clearly lacked leaders with good decision making skills. Proof is in the pudding. Have their decisions left their citizens better off after all these decades, or worse? They have kept missing one opportunity at peace after another, and put their people through enormous suffering. Instead of teaching kids to live in peace and get an education, they brainwash them in madrassas to hate the Jews, to take up arms. Bad leadership, egged on by bad actors like the Iranians.

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

the professor is addressing the wrong question, and is justifying the decisions that have led them to this predicament. That said, by default, most rational people will want peace. Questions should be whether they are sincere about it, whether they are ready to make compromises to achieve it, and whether they have good decision makers. I think Palestinian leaders have failed with all 3 questions.

1. they have shown they cannot be trusted. For example, no sooner than they sign on Peace Accords, they go back and broke the accord. They send terrorists and rockets across the border. "Your word is your bond" is obviously something they don't believe in.

2. Perhaps after going back, they feel they struck a bad deal, so they change their mind. Western assessment is they kept getting offered a good deal, given relative respective strengths/ weaknesses of the two sides. But they wanted more and more and were not ready to compromise. It had to be everything their way, and they were not addressing Israel's security concerns which are legitimate given the number of times they have been attacked.

3. which brings us to point 3. They have clearly lacked leaders with good decision making skills. Proof is in the pudding. Have their decisions left their citizens better off after all these decades, or worse? They have kept missing one opportunity at peace after another, and put their people through enormous suffering. Instead of teaching kids to live in peace and get an education, they brainwash them in madrassas to hate the Jews, to take up arms. Bad leadership, egged on by bad actors like the Iranians.

I'm sorry, I haven't had a chance - there were two posts of yours that I have not yet answered, so I will try and just do it altogether in this one.

I agree that the Palestinians have had bad leadership. A compromise in 1947/48 where the British tried to equalize a land between the two would have been a better option for the long run.

However, The Palestinian Arabs refused to recognize this arrangement, which they regarded as favourable to the Jews and unfair to the Arab population that would remain in Jewish territory under the partition.

In this whole mess we have to see that Hamas does not = Palestine. Hamas is not a friend of Palestine. If they were - they would have been on the forefront fighting rather than creating a 'freedom fight' to protects Palestinians land, just to cause the opposite affect.

I know most people, are asking for ceasefire and stuff, non are actually mentioning that Hamas is also in the wrong. You cannot protest one sided - because like it or not there has been a wrong doing from that side also. This is why nothing ever resolves.

The ones who are opposing ceasefire, with the thought pattern of 'Well Palestine voted for Hamas', Yes bad move.. but they are a country without an Army, Also because Hamas's dislike for Israel and Western countries. Made Hamas look favourable. They can't be completely blamed as Israel have been taking their land and lives for decades. There was no clear solution for them, They didn't want the govt whom they believed is corrupt - so they chose Hamas over the other one. Better the devil they knew than the devil they don't. There is no point us criticising their past bad moves - the main thing is that people are losing their lives by the second. Everything else is secondary to sort out later - but the main thing is to protest a stop to the killings. No matter what, race, religion, personal hate, personal differences - end of the day humanity teaches us to be kind to our enemies too. Hence - I personally don't want bloodshed in Israel and nor in Palestine.

When Israel were going to go up to the Gaza strip on the North side, they said the operation will be 5 hours and they will cut the water supply and electricity off for that long. it's been how many days now instead? People have moved to the south side and I watched a video of a lady saying that they have no water for drinking or washing.

It's all fair for some to say lets support the Israeli movement of getting 'the Jewish people their homeland', How much more homeland do they need for their people? Gaza is just a strip of land left.

Every country including India has an Army base. Access to weapons and rockets. But Palestine cannot have an army and nothing of the sort? Every country should be allowed to defend themselves. Yes I agree - Hamas's attack was unethical on the 7th of October. I am totally against this. But we need to question, how did they get into tight security, Israel's name is coming into it ( It's like would anyone - really go out to achieve a cause - which they know will backfire and be an open invitation to further invasion?). Doesn't add up, for me at least. Hamas leaders son said that Iran are behind Hamas. The leaders are not amidst the rubble and assisting the suffering population of Palestine, they are comfortably tucked away in Turkiye.

Any ways as we talk of the 200 hostages, 22 killed due to Israel's attacks.

Why did they take these hostages, even Piers Morgan doesn't talk about this. It's a plea to have the 5500 prisoners and hundreds of women and children in the prison.

However I disagree with the method of an eye for an eye. Each life is individual and you cannot make another innocent pay for another innocent persons misfortune. Two wrongs do not make a right.. But what we can do as a society born to humanity - is protest the release of 200 + 5500 hostages/prisoners.

Right now 3 things should be the centre of attention, striking a hostage and prisoners release deal and to stop the killings. Govt structure for Palestine and all of that can be looked at later. Freedom for Palestine can be looked at later. Main urgency is 'making' the deal and ceasefire.

I know what we want and ask for - we may not get, but this is a time to unite, recognise that human lives are at stake. Show compassion and empathy. Rem the people who lost their lives, the children - they did not vote for Hamas - they were not a part of this war.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbKq-lA9Pzw

I know some people talk about , 'Oh well Jewish lived in Israel a long time ago, they should get their homeland back!'

Yes they did, and they also ended up in Germany too did they not? They were given a place to live, But it's wrong to then go in and take someone else's home. their greed is a bottomless vessel - doesn't seemed to get filled. Why was Hitler against Jews - well there are a few narratives of that, he believed that the Jews will try and take over everything. He also believed the poor state of affairs if Germany after losing the war was die to their shaking hands with the opposition and backstabbing.

To save the economy he decided to gas the Jews. Was Holocaust wrong? Of course it was. Believe it or not, Islam never said to anyone to do that, neither does it condone that.

No matter what religion anyone is, everyone belongs to the Almighty - you cannot mistreat anyone.

Have you ever attended a Madrasa or congregation at the mosque? Have you ever for yourself heard the Mosques educate people towards crime and war crimes? I have been to mosques and we were NEVER educated into hating the jews. We were educated on the history of Islam, and the journey of Prophets. We were taught to read the Quran (in Arabic) Not to understand it, We were taught verses of the Quran in order to Read Namaz, we were taught about the five pillars of Islam, Profession of faith, Namaz, Fasting, Zakat, Haj. Islam has the Quran, and there are many many books that show the way to live in peace and Harmony. Like I mentioned last time - they have brought out the full translation with history for a deeper understanding of what the Quran versus actually mean.

We were taught self progressing inspiring things such as, Even when someone of a different faith was bad to the Prophet, he didn't do anything to them and still treated them good and worried for their welfare.

Whilst learning the history, yes we did learn about Israelis - because they are in the history. But no one was taught - go kill them.

Organisations who do things differently to what Islam states, does not five a true refection of the reality of Islam. Whether people to chose to believe that or not is dependant on the society's lack of understanding, prejudice or to believe the worst in another's faith to make their own faith appear superior, or even general gullibility and naivety.

I know a lot of the time you guys say that Israel should go to the Jewish. Then why are India and Pak fighting over Kashmir - India is bigger than Gaza and so is Pak - so leave Kashmir alone.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/S_tTgryABBU

Same woman in another video was saying kill the Muslims.

This 'innocent' Israeli woman mocking Palestinian women,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QihoBuGRVwU

Pls see more Jewish innocence and thinking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOFRNGlEB6k

Some more innocence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSJPW_RTWAM

And they say Muslim's are violent.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wBbj-5aMB7c