Ban lifted on Pakistani artists: Fawad, Mahira can work in India now - Page 16

Originally posted by: Palak2812

As a secular nation we aren't bound to treat terrorist nation people with respect.

Secularism means treat everyone equally and give them opprtunities just as you give to every indian. Especially Pakistanis becuase nowhere in constitution, it says that you have to treat pakistanis disrespectfully.

I mean allowing them to earn name fame n money from india while their country sends terrorists to attack our young trainee army men and innocent civilians is what secularism is all about.

Treat them equally even though they themselves do not believe in any such thing as per their own constitution which is run by their own religious laws and would treat you and me as lesser humans is exaclty why secularism was established in indian constitution. Its one way only and we have to respect their sentiments. But what do us hindu fundamentalists know about about secularism anyhoo, huh?

If Pakistani actors have a right to work in the country they consider Haram and not worthy of respecting, then even I As a movie viewer have a right to peacefully not watch the movies that they work in and give them my money. It's all a vicious cycle.. This money will be used in funding terrorist and jihad activities. The respected High court’s judgement namely - court said in its ruling that “activities promoting peace, harmony, and tranquillity, including arts, music, sports, culture, and dance, transcend national boundaries and contribute to unity and harmony within and between nations.” is laughable, hollow and lacks mature foresite.

There is never any peace, tranquility nor harmony with a nation that makes a living out of India and Hindu hatred, bashing. Unfortunately it is set to grow worse with the Supreme leader’s blatant appeasement of the minorities and vote bank politics.

Originally posted by: blue-ice.1

haan people from other countries shouldn't work in India.....but Indians should go and work everywhere....right?? I hope no NRI says that.....it will be so ironical ....for them to have their ass working in other countries but don't want others to work in their country...

"other countries"? That's a huge range. If it's the west, then they are not sending terrorists to India. Ditto for most of the gulf countries. If it's Pak, then it's fair imo to expect that there should be no dealings with them. In fact, it's hypocritical to have their artists come to India and make out as if everything's hunky-dory when their people are killing our jawans and innocent civilians thru terrorism.

No problem too if Pak does not want Indians because we call out and trash them for their terrorist ways. Any NRI Indians in Pak should definitely go back to India. If you know many, let us know

The US in fact has exactly this policy. They will check your social media accounts to ensure you are not hostile towards the US before giving you an immigration visa. You cant be an enemy of the country and then expect to live and work there.

lastly, i think NRIs that trash western countries should definitely go back. And by the same token, NRIs that trash India on a regular basis should be banned from entering India.

^^^^Someone please tell Birdinumnum, NRIs in America are American citizens so you cannot deport them simply because your feelings are hurt.

In America, we have freedom of speech and expression. So if we want to trash American government when it commits atrocities or is complicit in mass violation of Geneva Conventions, then damn right Americans will call out Biden and any other politicians we see fit.

Unlike, citizens of certain places, we do not worship our politicians. This country was founded on revolution. We threw out the Brits while it was still colonizing other nations. So Don’t tell us whether we can or cannot rebel against our own corrupt politicians.

^^ but it's hypocritical to be hating on America and still want to live here. Similarly, it's like taking life-saving drugs discovered by Israelis and talking about other people boycotting them.

yes Americans have rich free speech traditions. But that's not a license to misuse those freedoms. Case in point is Representative Rashida Talib who got her butt censured by her colleagues in the US House of Reps for using the phrase "Palestine will be free from sea to shining sea".

and no, not all NRIs are American citizens. That at least should have been basic. Go figure

"We threw out the Brits while it was still colonizing other nations. So Don’t tell us whether we can or cannot rebel against our own corrupt politicians"

Khalaji....How can immigrants from far away land who might not have heard of american british history before migrating to america claim to have fought for the freedom of their host country which the americans themselves gained centurirs ago ???

As far as i know brits have been out of business for a long time n way before america started welcoming immigrants...isnt it?

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

^^ but it's hypocritical to be hating on America and still want to live here. yes Americans have rich free speech traditions. But that's not a license to misuse those freedoms

No it’s not hypocritical. It’s called using your critical thinking skills and appreciating your country when it’s in the right and criticizing it when it’s clearly in the wrong. Both protected by the first amendment. Unfortunately, critical thinking is a lost art among jingoists so you wouldn’t understand. Americans are allowed to criticize. Freedom of speech, first amendment and all that jazz. Again.

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

yes Americans have rich free speech traditions. But that's not a license to misuse those freedoms. Case in point is Representative Rashida Talib who got her butt censured by her colleagues in the US House of Reps for using the phrase "Palestine will be free from sea to shining sea".

Rashida was censured, symbolically. The censure has no real meaning in the real world. Rashida was elected by an overwhelming majority in her state. Michigan is filled with leftists, Arabs and progressives. Rashida will be elected again. Easily.

You really should refresh yourself on the political and social climate in the US, currently. It’s really starting to get super redundant refuting your claims.

Originally posted by: Supari_khala

No it’s not hypocritical. It’s called using your critical thinking skills and appreciating your country when it’s in the right and criticizing it when it’s clearly in the wrong. Both protected by the first amendment. Unfortunately, critical thinking is a lost art among jingoists so you wouldn’t understand. Americans are allowed to criticize. Freedom of speech, first amendment and all that jazz. Again.

Rashida was censured, symbolically. The censure has no real meaning in the real world. Rashida was elected by an overwhelming majority in her state. Michigan is filled with leftists, Arabs and progressives. Rashida will be elected again. Easily.

You really should refresh yourself on the political and social climate in the US, currently. It’s really starting to get super redundant refuting your claims.

i am aware that Rashida Talib represents a leftist Muslim district. So she'll keep getting elected. But that's about as far as her cuckoo ideology goes. The fact that the resolution against her received such bipartisan support reflects what americans, as represented by the House, think of her. The House is generally so polarized that it can agree on very few things these days, yet the resolution passed with overwhelming censure against her. So no, I dont think I have to take the refresher.

as for critical thinking skills, sure, how about understanding first that we are talking about hypocrisy, not about free speech protections. Different point. Again, while it might be legal to trash the country, it sure seems hypocritical for people to leech off the country while shitting on it.

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

i am aware that Rashida Talib represents a leftist Muslim district. So she'll keep getting elected. But that's about as far as her cuckoo ideology goes. The fact that the resolution against her received such bipartisan support reflects what americans, as represented by the House, think of her. The House is generally so polarized that it can agree on very few things these days, yet the resolution passed with overwhelming censure against her. So no, I dont think I have to take the refresher.

What politicians, reps or dems, house or senate think about Israel/Palestine “issue” is directly influenced by the AIPAC dollars they receive for their campaigns. AIPAC feeds politicians on both ends of the spectrum.

On the other hand, actual Americans clearly beg to differ.

What Americans think is ⬇️ and it includes both Democrats and Republicans. Overwhelming majority are against Israel and want a ceasefire. They align with Rashida Tlaib on this.

https://x.com/goodpoliticguy/status/1722800588725846141?s=46

As for your opinion on Rashida and the futile censureship, she’s neither the first nor the last to be censured. At least 25 censures before her. She still holds the same views. Michigan voted for her and put her in Washington despite being familiar with her openly pro-Palestine stance. She has always held these beliefs. These views are not new to her base. Congress didn’t elect her, her voters did. If they have no problem with her opinions, nothing else matters.


Lastly, even if none of the above was true, It’s not unheard of for politically active individuals to be censured, reviled or even arrested. Senator Bernie Sanders was arrested during Civil Rights protest back in his youth when Black Americans didn’t have the same rights as Whites. Protesting against Whites was also considered morally outrageous by the majority just as it is currently considered outrageous by AIPAC funded politicians to protest against Israel. Well….guess what. Bernie is still in Congress. And if history is any indication, Rashida is going nowhere.

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

as for critical thinking skills, sure, how about understanding first that we are talking about hypocrisy, not about free speech protections. Different point. Again, while it might be legal to trash the country, it sure seems hypocritical for people to leech off the country while shitting on it.

Perhaps, the countries you are familiar with expect obsequious praise and undying deference towards their politicians and “supreme leader” but it’s neither considered hypocrisy nor leeching to exercise our first amendments rights here. You pay tax, you have a voice. Every American citizen is legally and morally allowed by the constitution to criticize its government. Your personal feelings on this hold no merit.

Originally posted by: Supari_khala

What politicians, reps or dems, house or senate think about Israel/Palestine “issue” is directly influenced by the AIPAC dollars they receive for their campaigns. AIPAC feeds politicians on both ends of the spectrum.

On the other hand, actual Americans clearly beg to differ.

What Americans think is ⬇️ and it includes both Democrats and Republicans. Overwhelming majority are against Israel and want a ceasefire. They align with Rashida Tlaib on this.

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As for your opinion on Rashida and the futile censureship, she’s neither the first nor the last to be censured. At least 25 censures before her. She still holds the same views. Michigan voted for her and put her in Washington despite being familiar with her openly pro-Palestine stance. She has always held these beliefs. These views are not new to her base. Congress didn’t elect her, her voters did. If they have no problem with her opinions, nothing else matters.


Lastly, even if none of the above was true, It’s not unheard of for politically active individuals to be censured, reviled or even arrested. Senator Bernie Sanders was arrested during Civil Rights protest back in his youth when Black Americans didn’t have the same rights as Whites. Protesting against Whites was also considered morally outrageous by the majority just as it is currently considered outrageous by AIPAC funded politicians to protest against Israel. Well….guess what. Bernie is still in Congress. And if history is any indication, Rashida is going nowhere.

Perhaps, the countries you are familiar with expect obsequious praise and undying deference towards their politicians and “supreme leader” but it’s neither considered hypocrisy nor leeching to exercise our first amendments rights here. You pay tax, you have a voice. Every American citizen is legally and morally allowed by the constitution to criticize its government. Your personal feelings on this hold no merit.

no, Michigan did not vote for her. Just one district in Michigan did. Also, she not only got censured but she got censured by significant numbers, especially given the context of how polarized the House is.

as for wanting a ceasefire, what of it? Even I support a ceasefire, though neither India nor America (my two countries) supported it. Hoping for ceasefire does not mean people do not generally support Israel or her right to exist.

again, I am talking about hypocrisy, not the various rights we are afforded we all know in a democracy.

regarding your barb against obsequiousness, I do not have to clarify anything, but my reasons for supporting parties/ leaders varies depending on whether it's a rich country like the US or a developing one like India. For India, I think economic growth is key to lifting generations of people up and giving them a better life. So those are the type of leaders I look for, especially if the alternative is a bunch of welfare-spending scamming people. Again, that does not one make a religious bigot. On the contrary, people who vote en bloc a certain way probably are bigots in my mind. Because in any statistical sample, there should generally be variation. When it all lines up a certain way, there is probably brainwashing.