Originally posted by: Vidhi1989
Nhi.. aajkal maine shows ko connect karke dekhna chod Diya hai. Kyonki Makers aur writers ko to connectivity ki parwah hi nahi hai. Kuch bhi dikhate hain? Isliye stand-alone episodes ya perticular track par focus kar leti hu. Mujhe nahi dekha hoga kabhi story, costume par baat karte hue? Nahi. Violence normalize karte hain to mai bolti hu. Kyoni as a woman ye hame mushkilo me dalta hai.
Otherwise I can easily detach things. Aaj Angad ka point sahi tha.
Anyway.. mujhe ye kahna tha ki aap sab log ek crucial point bhul rahe ho! Ghum me bhi sabne yahi kiya tha. Virat ke domestic violence ko passionate pyar ka naam dene wale uske aur Pakhi ke relationship ke bare me Saras Salil jaisi baate karte the. Yahan bhi wahi ho raha.
Ham logo ka ek ajeeb masla hai! Abhi India ka kanun aur samaj etna backward hai ki use Male ke sath sexual harrasment samjh hi nahi aata.
Jaise mard ka kisi women ke body par (chahe wo lover ho, wife ho ya dusri koi bhi relative ya stranger) aise hak nahi hota.. waise hi Vice versa bhi true hai. Jaise women freeze hoti hain, waise hi mard bhi hote hain.
Ek khanas hamare dimag me bhari padi hai ki ham women ko sexual object aur mard ko hamesha sex ke liye taiyar rahne wala robot samjhte hain.
Ye jo Seerat kar rhi hai, aur jo Pakhi karti thi wo harrasment tha.
Women ki dignity/samaj kya kahega/rishto ki maryaada ke naam par kai baar Mard bahut kuch bardasht karte hain. Asal me Mard etne violent hain ki jab unke saath violence hota hai to kuch pata nahi chalta. Ham do baato ko alag hi nahi kar paate!
Aap kisi ke advances ko kai tarah se rokte ho, lekin yahan jo Alpha Males ki tareef karte hain (ki fala show me ML ne ye kiya) wo kafi toxic hai! Aur unrealistic bhi.
Jab Seerat ke sath rape hua, maine bola galat hai.
Sahiba ke sath Sexual assualt hua, to maine bola galat hai.
Jab dono bahno ke sath DV hua to maine bola, galat hai
Jaise Mard bachha nahi hota, waise hi Seerat bhi choti bachhi nahi hai.
Aise hi Virat ne Shadi ke baad se hi lagatar Pakhi ko reject kiya tha. Koi bhi self-respecting women is baat par naaraj hogi ki aapke lover ne "vaada" (chahe wo kitna weird vaada ho, maybe people don't know ki pyar me log kitne crazy kaam kar jate hain, baad me jyadatar log apni un harkato par embarrass hote hain, move on karte hain) toda, lekin wo kisi ki "Na" par use "Haan, Haan" nahi samjhegi.
Men ka "No" ka "No" nahi hota kya?
Mard bhi kuch mamlo me shy ho sakte hain, unhe bhi boundaries maintain karne me dikkat aa sakti hai. Isliye nahi ki unhe in sabme maja aa rha. Unhe bhi usi taklif se gujrana padta hai, jaise women gujrati hain. Jaise jyadatar women ye jaan hi nahi paati ki unke saath jo jo raha wo darasal harrasment hai, waise hi mard bhi harrasment ko samjh nahi paate. Women ko to kuch saal baad pata bhi chal jata hai kyonki discourse me iski jagah hai, tamam laws hain, aur ab Media/movies/campaigns/ads me kafi iska prachar ho rha.
Par mard ke saath rape ho, sexual harrasment ho to uska koi kaanun nahi.
Just because kuch log ex the, aur unme se ek insaan apne dimag me jane kya kya kahani bana rha to iska matlab ye nahi ki aap use "saras salil" bana lein!
Logo ko thoda mature hone ki jarurat hai. Kab tak 17th century me pade rahenge?
Ye to kuch bhi nahi hai. Imlie me to mard ko daru pila kar uske saath jabardasti sex (darasal rape) kiya gya aur sabne use bewafai kaha! Zee TV par Kasam se me bhi yahi plot tha. Kai shows me vamps ne aisa kiya hai. Par use rape kabhi nahi kaha gya!
Haan.. thik hai ki Indian Women EMA ko leker kuch jyada hi jajbati hain, etne jajbat unme Rape/marital rape/DV/property rights (Priority Kamal hai) me nahi dikhte.
Mai yaha makers ko defend nahi kar rhi. Ye to clear hai ki wo ye sab jo dikhate hain unhe khud mard ke saath violence ki samjh nahi hai. In fact unhe violence ki hi samjh nahi hai. ITV par rape jiske saath bhi ho, wo galat nahi hai. Warna Angad ko Sahiba ko molest karte nahi dikhate!
Us din jab Seerat Angad ke bedroom me pahuch gayi thi, aur wo shirtless tha,.to wo clear harassment tha. Angad ki jankari ke bagair usne usko shirt pahnaya! Aap bina ijajat kisi ke private space me nahi ghus sakte!
Traditional homes bhale hi bina boundaries ke ho, par dheere dheere kai gharo me aisa hone laga hai ki bade bachhe bhi parents ke kamre me knock karke hi jaye!
West ke kai desho me ye plain harassment ka case hoga!
Your point about freezing is very correct. Main personally har baar freeze hi kar jaati hoon, realize kaafi late karti hoon aur tab bhi chup chap nikal leti hoon kyunki men can get violent.
Waise I have never said he is not getting harassed. He is.
Itv main sexual harassment or domestic abuse ko thik se treat kiya jaaye , yeh impossible hai. Almost all itv male leads are domestic abusers or become with time aur log issko passionate love bol dete hai. Bas ek Dhruv Tara dekha hai in recent times jiss main you can say the male lead is not a criminal.
Aur vamp ko rapist bana dete hai. Like Imlie main hua tha. Basically male lead aur vamp dono hi ek thali ke chatte batte hote hai.
Vamp male lead ko abuse karti hai, I think Qubool hai main bhi same hua tha, vamp raped the hero aur ussko cheating bol diya gaya.
Aur male lead female lead ko abuse karta hai. But vamp ko toh phir bhi negative bolte hai bas usske act ko rape nahi, male lead ko toh achha aadmi.
Haan both Virat and Angad are victims of harassment. And they have been perpetrators of same crime. But I have actually seen more people call out Seerat. Angad ko bolo then it is fiction , it is itv, yahan ke male leads toh hote hi aise hai.
If Seerat deserves to be called out as she is acting like a vile human, Angad ne usse bahut baar bahut jyaada harass kiya hai Sahiba ko.
Either give a pass to both or call out both 🤷 (not talking about you because you indeed called out both)
But mujhko hasi aati hai because so many vehemently defend what Angad did on reception night or in shower with Sahiba lekin ab unnko harassment samajh aa raha.
Yes as stand alone, Angad is a victim now, has been for a while, he was a far worse perpetrator few episodes back.
Not that it cancels out. It just puts Garry , Angad and Seerat in one category, just different intensity of crimes but west main none of these 3 would be allowed in 500 metre radius of kids, permanently ek list pe chale jaate unnke names jo publicly available hota hai.