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Agreed. The characterizations are completely off then. Now, the original character arcs are gone to shoehorn in Abhinav into the story. That's where I believe the writers failed. If you have to completely destroy characters and the plot to make ONE character work then you failed.

What's shown and what's being seen is different. We are told that Abhinav is perfect from the other characters constantly singing his praises, but in reality he is far from perfect. He is selfish, he has lies with no hesitation, he feels no shame or guilt towards Abhir who he claims to love.

I think the writers wanted to make him a foil for Abhimanyu, but ended up stealing all of Abhimanyu's characteristics, which rendered his character useless. Now, he is there just to keep the leads apart instead.

Originally posted by: lagjagale

I think the bigger issue was in the uneven characterization of Abhi and Ak from the beginning. Abhi was shown as someone who fixed everything, took care of everyone and was generally much better than Ak in everyway not to mention the age difference. He had anger issues and we saw the reason for that very clearly. On the other hand, Ak didn't have much going for her except her empathy which was often misguided and led to bad decisions. But Abhi is empathetic too, especially with his family. So what exactly is Ak's role apart from being Abhi's light ?

Few instances where Ak Abhi worked was when they were solving issues usually the ones Ak noticed first. So the Manjari divorce debacle was done well IMO, where Abhi was just pushing her and Ak told him to back off and let her make the decision. I wanted more of that. I wanted Abhi to slowly start seeing that he should be listening to Ak, not just a stupid leap that puts everything back to square one. They could have had a LOT of small issues to handle together. They could have fought about them but eventually understood each other and respected each other's opinions. Instead they have had basically no time to be together so how exactly can they develop an understanding?

They are doing the same thing with Nav too. They made him perfect, so good infact that he is both mother and father to Abhir. Ak seems to have no role except for validating Nav and glorifying him. Here respect is a big factor so Nav respects Ak, but not really cause as their relationship gets to being more like Husband wife, Nav often takes decisions without Ak and actively goes against her. He was only docile when they were friends, now the equation has changed.

So the principal issue is that they have made the FL too weak in both the scenarios. Even when they tried to make her strong during the first leap, it was executed so poorly that she just ended up looking stupid. Still I preferred that Ak to the one now.

Originally posted by: yellomellow

I don't comment often, but I don't get the hate Abhira gets when the new ship is just as bad. ITV isn’t supposed to be logical, but this leap is boring. Abhira as a concept was more interesting and it was doing well until they forced the evil sister into all their tracks as a 3rd angle. She wasn't interesting enough be the vamp in their lives. As a result, all possible the post-marriage tracks were wasted or never used. There was no story after their marriage instead of fixing the story they went a separation. For the leap, they butchered the OG character's entire arc.

It's amusing how Abhinav fans hate Abhimanyu, but Abhinav is basically a poor version of Abhimanyu. The makers didn't even bother to give an original name. All his dialogues, scenes with the female lead, and behavior are a copy of Abhimanyu's character arc. Even the dialogues are the same word for word.

With the Abhinav ship it’s too forced. The female lead's entire character is there to elevate Abhinav. She neglects her six year old son with a heart ailment to take care of adult man. It's comical how she fed Abhinav more than Abhir during this leap. He didn’t know anything about her until recently, but they lived together as "friends" raising a son. He is trustworthy enough to raise her son, but not trustworthy enough to know to the truth about her? They are a family, but their entire relationship is based on a lie to keep a father and son apart. Her relationship with him isn’t a compromise, but she constantly lowers herself for his benefit ignoring her own child. He respects her, but he participates in her wrongdoings instead of guiding her to do the right thing? Honestly, they are more like criminals colluding than friends or lovers. If he was supposed to be the endgame. Why not go with something better? It's the same team so they could have used Anu’s 2nd chance at love story-line.

Abhira was a car-crash, but the new ship is a trainwreck. Separation tracks are standard on ITV, but I have never seen one executed this badly. It’s as if they aren’t even trying.

Disclaimer: This is just my opinion. It's not attack on any of the actors or the team. You can disagree that's fine.

@bold: The truth bombs here 👏😆. You’ve nailed exactly what is so hollow about the claims of this being a mature and “realistic” relationship. It’s all built on lies, delusions and coddling insecurities 🤷‍♀️

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I just disagree. The entire premise of their "family" is keeping a family apart lol. Being sweet to each other doesn't change the fact that they colluded to keep a father away from his son so they can live together with no consequences. Actions speak louder than words. That's where the writers constantly fail with this leap. The writers constantly tells us with dialogues about their "family" being a "family" but then show the complete opposite. A six year old is desperately praying and looking for his real father, but neither "parent" feels any remorse or guilt towards their "son."

I don't think it's fair to mock her for making jam, but her lack of ambition especially for a mother with a sick child isn't something to be applauded either. It's 2023 there is no reason to show a expecting mother with means and intelligence living with a stranger she met on the bus. It was completely unrealistic and misogynistic way to bring Abhinav into the story. He could've been introduced without diminishing her to this point. Before Abhimanyu solved her problems for her then Abhinav. Now, both men are doing it.

Originally posted by: Swathiyaa

Sry few may disagree with new ship being boring but no ,new ship is what every family is.. They are sweet with each other and stand with each other that's all akshu wanted.. She was never over ambitious.. Why do people mock her for selling jam and all I don't understand.. Arohi and abhi were always toppers and are similar to each other and must have been together.. Akshara and abhimanyu that ship dint anchor at all.. They would have agreed with each other for only 10-15 episodes.. Their love story is not built well... People call akshnav as compromise but every marriage requires compromise right.. They are good and fine with each other and that is absolutely okay for many when compared to being in toxic family called birals.. None in birlas ever understood akshu.. Including manjiri

Originally posted by: yellomellow

Agreed. The characterizations are completely off then. Now, the original character arcs are gone to shoehorn in Abhinav into the story. That's where I believe the writers failed. If you have to completely destroy characters and the plot to make ONE character work then you failed.

What's shown and what's being seen is different. We are told that Abhinav is perfect from the other characters constantly singing his praises, but in reality he is far from perfect. He is selfish, he has lies with no hesitation, he feels no shame or guilt towards Abhir who he claims to love.

I think the writers wanted to make him a foil for Abhimanyu, but ended up stealing all of Abhimanyu's characteristics, which rendered his character useless. Now, he is there just to keep the leads apart instead.

I think the writers brought him in as a polar opposite of Abhimanyu initially and yes a sort of foil in that sense to draw the contrast between the two men.....he was initially shown as a very simple minded happy go lucky guy who was just supporting Akshara without expectations....that is where they wanted to elevate him in contrast to an Abhimanyu who is rash in anger and lost Akshara because of that. But that was the one line brief that only lasted through the initial two weeks in Kasauli. After that, they have struggled and now reduced him even more to just an "achha aadmi" label simply to try and show that he is a good man while Abhimanyu is "wrong' in every way😆......again, to your point this is what they WANT to show but it isn't coming across onscreen.....his selfishness and lack of remorse over claiming someone else's child as his own nullifies all this glorification they do via Akshara hailing him like a god.

And yes, by this point he is nothing but a prop to keep the leads apart....he has no identity of his own beyond Akshara being shown as a loudspeaker doing daily bhajan about him.

Originally posted by: yellomellow

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I just disagree. The entire premise of their "family" is keeping a family apart lol. Being sweet to each other doesn't change the fact that they colluded to keep a father away from his son so they can live together with no consequences. Actions speak louder than words. That's where the writers constantly fail with this leap. The writers constantly tells us with dialogues about their "family" being a "family" but then show the complete opposite. A six year old is desperately praying and looking for his real father, but neither "parent" feels any remorse or guilt towards their "son."

I don't think it's fair to mock her for making jam, but her lack of ambition especially for a mother with a sick child isn't something to be applauded either. It's 2023 there is no reason to show a expecting mother with means and intelligence living with a stranger she met on the bus. It was completely unrealistic and misogynistic way to bring Abhinav into the story. He could've been introduced without diminishing her to this point. Before Abhimanyu solved her problems for her then Abhinav. Now, both men are doing it.

@bold: BANG ON once again👏.....there is a very forced vibe to this "family" precisely because they keep making tall claims of their perfect family when reality is that they are being held together by a lie, by hiding a son from his actual father and being unrepentant about this while the actual father stands silent on the side.....the fact that the writers expect the audience to just FORGET this and accept this made up family because Akshara wants to cling to her delusions is😆.....just saying something doesn't make it true. The audience can see the lies in front of their eyes.

As for Akshara, her character was always written in a weak manner as a woman with no ambition, so this leap just brought in more of the same....she doesn't seem to WANT a life where she is self-reliant and independent....she is always looking to cling to someone and have a family at any cost...this is why all her dialogues sound like they are from a 1960s soap opera vis a vis how much a man can do for her😆. But yeah, she never even hailed Abhimanyu like she is hailing Nav for the smallest of things....it's like tomorrow if he sneezes in front of her, she will want to record the sound of that sneeze and play it all over Himachal ki look I have a pati and he can sneeze....yayyy😆. And then writers wonder why this looks so forced and juvenile.

Side characters? I thought Abhinav was the parallel lead now lol.

I watched from the start the writers copied Abhimanyu's characteristic onto Abhinav minus the not liking lies part. About the copied Abhira scenes and Abhimanyu dialogues there are edits on Instagram where fans did a side by side comparison. The writers recreated Abhira scenes word for word.

If you like ship then good for you. I find them boring.

Originally posted by: AKHIAWAL

Funny how the blame always goes to Sides and villain when people are not interested to see leads.. logo ko itna Pyaar nehi hain abhira se ke unke liye sides ko jhel sake? Also How is Abhinav same like Abhimanyu?? Just the name Abhi? Kaunsa dialogue same hogaya? I don't see abhi divorcing akshara two time, controlling her,or Roaring like a lion from circus..and if akshnav were boring,then how come they build their own fandom in such short time?

The female lead wasn't focal point of the leap, Abhinav was. She lived with a stranger then married him, give him the right's to her son, left music, and sells jam because otherwise Abhinav would be pointless in the show. That's why TRP viewers lost interest in my opinion. It's boring. The leap could have more interesting.

I don't hate fictional characters or ships. I was just curious why people love the same exact love story as Abhira with no buildup, but hate Abhira. Completely agree, ITV isn't logical. It should at least be entertaining.

Originally posted by: verve

I have the same question as well pal.

I don't get the hate for Akshnav when the og ship was just as hollow.

People keep questioning why Ak married a stranger, why she left music & became a jam-maker, why didn't she return to Goenkas, why isn't this 2nd chance love story of Ak like Maan... and my best bet is also that ITV isn’t supposed to be logical.

Originally posted by: yellomellow

I don't comment often, but I don't get the hate Abhira gets when the new ship is just as bad. ITV isn’t supposed to be logical, but this leap is boring. Abhira as a concept was more interesting and it was doing well until they forced the evil sister into all their tracks as a 3rd angle. She wasn't interesting enough be the vamp in their lives. As a result, all possible the post-marriage tracks were wasted or never used. There was no story after their marriage instead of fixing the story they went a separation. For the leap, they butchered the OG character's entire arc.

It's amusing how Abhinav fans hate Abhimanyu, but Abhinav is basically a poor version of Abhimanyu. The makers didn't even bother to give an original name. All his dialogues, scenes with the female lead, and behavior are a copy of Abhimanyu's character arc. Even the dialogues are the same word for word.

With the Abhinav ship it’s too forced. The female lead's entire character is there to elevate Abhinav. She neglects her six year old son with a heart ailment to take care of adult man. It's comical how she fed Abhinav more than Abhir during this leap. He didn’t know anything about her until recently, but they lived together as "friends" raising a son. He is trustworthy enough to raise her son, but not trustworthy enough to know to the truth about her? They are a family, but their entire relationship is based on a lie to keep a father and son apart. Her relationship with him isn’t a compromise, but she constantly lowers herself for his benefit ignoring her own child. He respects her, but he participates in her wrongdoings instead of guiding her to do the right thing? Honestly, they are more like criminals colluding than friends or lovers. If he was supposed to be the endgame. Why not go with something better? It's the same team so they could have used Anu’s 2nd chance at love story-line.

Abhira was a car-crash, but the new ship is a trainwreck. Separation tracks are standard on ITV, but I have never seen one executed this badly. It’s as if they aren’t even trying.

Disclaimer: This is just my opinion. It's not attack on any of the actors or the team. You can disagree that's fine.

I haven't been on the forum for awhile so I wouldn't know what other people post. I wouldn't call my ONE post an obsession it's more of an observation lol. Honestly, the blame for that lies with the writers. The leap is basically the rich suitor poor suitor trope love triangle. Other than his hand-me-down scenes, his situational poorness, and his magically ability to make family members appear as a orphan with no surname what does he have? He is boring.

To be fair, all ITV couples have the same template because all ITV shows are the same. The only difference is the chemistry. For me, they had better chemistry as a couple. They still do. Some pairs are interesting while others are boring.

Every ITV couple is forced and rushed because TRP system runs the show. She had no POV of her falling in love, but the confession happened because TRP was stagnate.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I was just curious, but it seems I got in the middle of a fanwar.

Originally posted by: Kabhi18

It's interesting how people are so obsessed with Abhinav being "poor". Like y'all can't make ONE post without mentioning that hey?

Additionally, what exactly what/is so interesting about Abhira as a concept? What made them unique? What made them different from other ITV couples? I'm super curious. 😂

I honestly don't see how Abhinav is a copy of Abhimanyu. They are VERY different. Btw, it's not just Abhinav fans hating Abhimanyu, almost everyone hates him except for Abhimanyu fans. 😂

You didn't think Abhira was a forced couple? They barely knew each other when they got together lmao. Their whole storyline was rushed.

Valid point.

Honestly, I can't take their marriage seriously solely based on the fact that Abhinav still doesn't know how many lies she told him (and is still telling him). At the same time, I don't feel bad for Abhinav because he willingly participated in her lies for his own gain. It's bizarre how unhealthy their relationship is, but the writer try to paint it as trust and respect. A relationship built on lies is bound to crumble. I completely agree she is only happy when she gets her way.

Based on the fact the narrative went from them saying "Abhimanyu doesn't want Abhir" to "oh sorry we thought you were happy and didn't think you wanted Abhir" when the truth was revealed was telling. He had no intention of ever telling him about his son. That's why the nice guy persona is laughable.

It was all to make way for Abhinav. Her family had to abandon her, she refused to stay with her friend, and she forgot how online banking works so she couldn't get to the money that she earned with her multiple careers lol.

Originally posted by: Salutethearmy

The difference is authority.

With Abhinav, Akshara expresses her opinions. In the earlier episodes she was pretty dominating regarding expenses, saving, routines.

These traits were negligent in Abhira. Abhimanyu led the relationship, he decided for her. Blunders or mistakes were committed both ways where as Abhinav introspects right vs wrong.

Akshara second innings is unrealistic, it's a glasshouse. As long as everyone lives as per her whims and fancies all is well. Throw a stone and the house won't remain

I am from Mumbai where people are liberal but the manner in which Goenkas completely cut her off is pretty absurd, same goes for Patiji. A righteous person won't live in an illusion.

I mean just because Abhimanyu told him that he does not want to do anything with Akshara, his word isn't absolute.

Akshara's relationships are indeed delusional

Exactly, there is nothing mature or realistic about their relationship. It's hollow and borderline toxic.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

@bold: The truth bombs here 👏😆. You’ve nailed exactly what is so hollow about the claims of this being a mature and “realistic” relationship. It’s all built on lies, delusions and coddling insecurities 🤷‍♀️