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Originally posted by: EuphoricDamsel.
I haven't had the time. I SWEAR. And I don't want to rush it yk?
Like really don't wanna rush them.
Will do soon.
Its on the list.
Will do.
Will do.
❤️
Accha okay.
If you wanna find the links, they're all on the first page.
Will wait (aur koi chaara nahi hai)
Originally posted by: LizzieBennet
Forgot to tag you for S1 E7 ^^^
You know...if you keep the s*x part out of it...this is how I read their expressions the first time (totally not recognizing this non-consent angle)...Daph is betrayed..she even tells him "You are the person I trusted the most" and she really did...she trusted him, she truly loved him...and he totally used her...
@Bold. I do not think he 'used' her at all! Their attraction was mutual and they both wanted each other. S did try to do the right thing and backed off, but unfortunately they were seen and protecting Daph's reputation became all -important. When I first saw it, I felt like Daph was blaming him unfairly and my opinion did not change even now.
its obvious for her to feel he used her, he took advantage of her lack of knowledge...it was beyond a point where she could have a conversation...its like she wanted to catch him red-handed...and thats what she did in her head...
Again I think this is too harsh an assessment of Simon's actions. I did not think he took advantage of her, or she of him. It was circumstances that forced them together. And it was Daph who was more insistent on the 'getting married' part. Simon did not want it and was prepared to 'die' to avoid it, like he tells her. He did not want to take away her dream. Yes, the communication in 'not wanting to have a child' and 'not able to have one' may have gone horribly wrong, but it was just that - miscommunication. I did not feel at any point that it was deliberation on Simon's side. He even tells Daph ' How did I get so lucky?' when she talks about her nieces and nephews, thinking at that point that she has accepted not having children of her own and is happy just to be with him.
To give an analogy, lets say Daph finds out he is having an affair..and she is a dutiful loving wife and when she finds out abt this, she goes through his phone, finds the time he and his mistress are supposed to meet and goes there to catch them instead of confronting him...that is reasonable, right? Its something similar she is trying to do here...
No, I still do not think it justifies what she did. To me, her actions seem more duplicitous than Simon's who was merely ignorant about his wife's ignorance. And thought she had accepted his not being to have children.
I felt two things- 1. She is trying to verify what she heard from Rose is actually true- remember, she has no idea how this works..no context, no experience..so she really wanted to see if Simon has any issue or he really didnt want to have kids and 2. She silently trying to show him that "I KNOW" with her actions...like you used me and now I have found out...
Yes, agreed, but the way it played out felt like she was punishing him without even listening to him. She had judged him and sentenced him without giving him a fair trial. And that felt totally unjustified.
Daphne is also far off from the actual concept of r*pe and I feel this is not even r*pe, its not like he didn't want to do it, he just chose not to and she wanted him to admit that instead of hiding it...anyway...
Yes I also don't think it is r*pe, but it is non-consent. You know, I did not feel this way when I first read the books, but when I watched the show - especially watching Phoebe and RJP's expressions in that scene, the helplessness he feels and the deliberate gleam in her eyes when she pushes him down as he's panicking, I cannot think of this as anything but non-consent.
@Bold or was he? I don't think Daph would have refused to marry him under the circumstances she was in...and I don't think her problem was even that he didn't tell her at that moment...its afterwards...when he was thoroughly enjoying their adventures...and it did not occur to him once to tell her the truth?
Tbh, they were both enjoying their 'adventures'. I think he was as honest as he could be. During the 'duel' scene he said what it was he had to say, and Daph went and announced to everyone that she and Duke were marrying. That clearly gave him the message that she did not care. At that point, she did not ask him - "If I say I do not care about your inability to sire children, will you then marry me?" No she just assumed he would and went ahead and announced it. Granted, at that point she wanted to stop that foolish duel but still there was a lot of assumption on her part (on Simon's too). I think they both 'assumed' things about each other without clarifying things. Simon assumed Daphne understood his 'cannot' have children and when he pulled out, accepted that it was a choice. And Daphne assumed Simon saying he 'could not' have children meant he had a physical impediment.
He obviously knew she is totally unaware of how this works...
@Did he? He knew that she was virgin, but they never talked about what she knew or didn't know. Daph did not ask him, other than 'Does that hurt?' and he didn't tell her. Which is why I said, they did not have a conversation about this at all. He may have assumed things without verifying it, but i do not think he deliberately led her astray. For eg. when they are at the village, and they talk about how Daph will have many children to play with because her brothers and sisters will marry, he is genuinely amazed that she does not care about having her own, and that she is happy just being with him.
I felt it was his responsibility also to have a proper conversation about all of this before starting to f*ck her all over...he also kind of didn't let her have a choice...maybe if she knew it was a deliberate decision to not have children, she would have married him but refused to have s*x just for the pleasure of it? Its like he took from her what he wanted (s*x) while refusing to give her what she wanted (child) and all of this unknowing to her.
Well, we can have the reverse of that argument too. Like Daph only wanted to be with Simon because she wanted a child from him. That would be her using him to father a child, wouldn't it?
And I do believe he did not 'take' from her what he wanted. He also gave her back equal pleasure and Daph did enjoy them. In fact, he was very giving during sex. It did not feel like he initiated or pushed her into it at all. She wanted it too. It did not feel at any point to me that Daph was being forced into it or that she was a reluctant participant.
Yeah what Daphne did is wrong....and without any prior context, cruel...but what Simon did is also pretty bad in my opinion...He didn't do it deliberately and she also didn't do it deliberately
She did it deliberately, that's the problem. She was angry and betrayed, yes, but I still don't think it justified her taking away his consent. The child would not just be hers. He would be a father to it. How can she then 'take' what she wanted without ensuring he wanted it too? Like Simon's father wanted an heir so bad he did not care what happened to his wife in ensuring he had one. It's not far- fetched to think of Daph's actions in parallel to that. She wanted a child so bad that she 'took' what she needed from Simon, without caring what he felt about it, and that's why it feels so wrong.
She would have married him but refused to have s*x just for the pleasure of it? Its like he took from her what he wanted (pleasure) while refusing to give her what she wanted (child) and all of this unknowing to her...kind of r*pe only, if we see it from that angle..
Yeah, like I said in the above point, it never felt like Simon was taking sex from her for his own pleasure, she wanted it too, she made no secret of the fact that she enjoyed the pleasures he was giving her. She does tell him openly that she enjoys it, and is a willing participant in all their 'adventures'. In fact, he does not want to initiate it that night at the inn- he gets her a separate room and her space. It's she who hates that and says so, and then the confession follows and it's mutual and consensual. At no point does it feel forced. He does try to stay away from her, but feelings get in the way.
Their having sex is mutual- the way I see it.
Their having a child is not- at least not at this point when Daph has taken away his agency. The only thing I'm glad about in this mess is that Daph did not get pregnant this first time and when it finally happens, it's a mutual and welcome decision.
I'm not absolving Simon of all wrongdoing here, but what Daph did seems more egregious to me.
Yeah I see your points too...I think I am just being defensive for Daphne so I don't completely start disliking her...bcz I soo loved the rest of the show!! I just want that scene to be justified so the rest of the series is justified...they are such a beautiful couple..specially the first 4 episodes...only if the story was handled properly...I still don't get it..what was the need for that scene..I mean I know its pivotal if they are adopting that book but I wish they had diverted off of the book here...anyway, I am glad its over now and the rest of the series is better with not so problematic love stories...🤢
Originally posted by: MJHTMonayaSajan
Yeah I see your points too...I think I am just being defensive for Daphne so I don't completely start disliking her...bcz I soo loved the rest of the show!! I just want that scene to be justified so the rest of the series is justified...they are such a beautiful couple..specially the first 4 episodes...only if the story was handled properly...I still don't get it..what was the need for that scene..I mean I know its pivotal if they are adopting that book but I wish they had diverted off of the book here...anyway, I am glad its over now and the rest of the series is better with not so problematic love stories...🤢
Oh well, people have found something problematic in all the books, but nothing quite this bad. Book 3 comes to mind. But yes, like you say, if they were okay with tweaking so many storylines and deviating so drastically from the books, why couldn't they have altered this one too?
Yeah, let's see how the next season plays out.
A lot of this season seemed hurried and dissatisfying probably because it was the first and they did not know if they would be renewed. That is why they ended with Daph giving birth which is actually not the case in the books - she discovers she's pregnant sometime between TVWLM.
But they wanted to tie up all loose ends - which is also why the Lady W reveal came so soon. They left Anthony's story with an opening - but tied off the Siena storyline. They set up a lot but in such a way that it does not feel incomplete if they never had a Season 2. But now that's not the case and they know they've been renewed at least until Season 4. So hopefully the character arcs and storylines will be given a chance to develop more organically.
Originally posted by: LizzieBennet
Wowoowooooowwww!
I was starving for some new content and this came along!
Now I need a loooooonngg trailer!
Please Bridgerton Gods!! And thank you!
Man that smouldering look! ☺️☺️☺️
Kate doesn’t stand a chance..
Though I miss Season 1 messy bed hair ☺️
I want 3 mins at least!
NO BARGAINING.
I swear if they latkaao us in 1.5-2 mins then imma scream murder yooo 🤡
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