Actors leaving jobs over Vaccine Mandate - Page 3

I feel like people are making a big deal out of the vaccine mandates for some self-indulgent grandstanding.

While even emergency-approved vaccines go through rigorous testing and peer review, I get vaccine hesitancy and general mistrust of big pharma. Not all hesitant are anti-vaxx. Many have and will get other vaccines. It can be frustrating when people hesitate despite overwhelming evidence, but as someone with a lot of irrational anxiety over other things - I can empathize.

BUT BUT BUT

No one is being made to take the vaccine. At least in the US only businesses with 100+ employees are impacted by the mandate. Even then, people still don't have to get vaxxed if they are willing to get tested weekly, and likely be mandated to mask up too for a while.

People have autonomy over their bodies, yes. But they do not have autonomy over other people's bodies. People who don't vaccinate risk infecting others. Elderly and severely immune-compromised risk catching and dying of COVID.So body autonomy for one person can be a death sentence for another. The least a person can do is agree to test and wear a mask in exchange for their body autonomy.

Originally posted by: Maraka_Musso89

I did get the vaccine (Pfizer) because we were being pressurised by our government but to this day I still feel uneasy about it.

The studies weren't well-done and it's was very oriented as cet peuple to do the vaccine. It's only now that people are talking about how Pfizer's tests weren't done accordingly or how Moderna is unsafe for youngsters now.

They are also now putting money toward researching the side effects on women menstrual cycle. But it's only after people talked about it after millions of people had it done. Otherwise they wouldn't have done anything about it.

I'm no anti vax but I side eye a vaccine that was developed too quickly meanwhile it usually take 10 years for them to be done.

Sanofi had yet to bring out their vaccine and if there is a lab I would trust, it's theirs.

The way I see it, one can't begrudge a person who refuses to do a vaccine that is still in phase 3.

Anyways, meds will soon be available do the vaccine debate might not be an issue anymore.

I'm curious to know what the source is regarding it taking 10 years to make a vaccine. It can take "UP" to 10 years but by no means is that the minimum. The duration spectrum is between 1-10 years. Of course these vaccines underwent an accelerated process because of the impact and mortality rate of Covid-19 infection. How much longer were we supposed to sit by and let people die?

Why is it ok for meds to become available in this amount of time but not vaccines? Vaccines are hardly "new" technology. How long ago was polio vaccine made? Why do people think it will take us a decade to make a vaccine? I mean molecular sciences and genetics have evolved exponentially over the past few years; we can generically select out diseased embryos, thereby selecting out genetic defects, during IVF. We have the entire human genome down. But somehow we are supposed to struggle with making a vaccine? We churn out new medications for Diabetes, Coronary Artery Disease, Pain Management, Migraines, hell, apparently "Covid medicine" that people trust in a short amount of time. But not possible with vaccine?

Pfizer is fully FDA approved. It's no longer just a emergency approval.

I read the original Pfizer study when it first came out. It was a double blind controlled trial, it's on NEJM. 33K test subjects. Pretty large N value, good statistical signifiance. Id be curious to know what they fudged or didn't fudge.

I took the vaccine, and I didn’t get period for current cycle. The first time the period was very late too and now this month it hasn’t even come and late by more than 2 weeks now. It has never happened to me before. If I knew all these side effects, I would’ve never taken the vaccine. I worked with covid patients all through pandemic taking their covid tests and still working with them and never got covid. I would rather take chances with covid than getting the vaccine and getting such side effects and other side effects which we don’t know yet. Now I am worried about my menstrual cycle.

Originally posted by: Maraka_Musso89

I did get the vaccine (Pfizer) because we were being pressurised by our government but to this day I still feel uneasy about it.

The studies weren't well-done and it's was very oriented as cet peuple to do the vaccine. It's only now that people are talking about how Pfizer's tests weren't done accordingly or how Moderna is unsafe for youngsters now.

They are also now putting money toward researching the side effects on women menstrual cycle. But it's only after people talked about it after millions of people had it done. Otherwise they wouldn't have done anything about it.

I'm no anti vax but I side eye a vaccine that was developed too quickly meanwhile it usually take 10 years for them to be done.

Sanofi had yet to bring out their vaccine and if there is a lab I would trust, it's theirs.

The way I see it, one can't begrudge a person who refuses to do a vaccine that is still in phase 3.

Anyways, meds will soon be available do the vaccine debate might not be an issue anymore.

Omg I thought it was only me and few other women. My period hasn’t come for this cycle and I have been very worried about it. 😢

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

I feel like people are making a big deal out of the vaccine mandates for some self-indulgent grandstanding.

While even emergency-approved vaccines go through rigorous testing and peer review, I get vaccine hesitancy and general mistrust of big pharma. Not all hesitant are anti-vaxx. Many have and will get other vaccines. It can be frustrating when people hesitate despite overwhelming evidence, but as someone with a lot of irrational anxiety over other things - I can empathize.

BUT BUT BUT

No one is being made to take the vaccine. At least in the US only businesses with 100+ employees are impacted by the mandate. Even then, people still don't have to get vaxxed if they are willing to get tested weekly, and likely be mandated to mask up too for a while.

People have autonomy over their bodies, yes. But they do not have autonomy over other people's bodies. People who don't vaccinate risk infecting others. Elderly and severely immune-compromised risk catching and dying of COVID.So body autonomy for one person can be a death sentence for another. The least a person can do is agree to test and wear a mask in exchange for their body autonomy.

Being vaccinated doesn’t prevent it from spreading it to others or being covid positive. So elderly and serverly immune compromised are at risk of covid with both vaccinated or unvaccinated people. All the covid positive patients we had at my urgent care were vaccinated. And how is vaccine not mandated? All emergency workers like health care, etc workers are forced to get it. Now businesses with 100+ employees and next they are coming after small businesses else pay huge fines and being shut down.

Menstrual irregularities vs death. Clear priorities my friend 👍

I think we keep forgetting that we're not recommending vaccines for no reason. The alternative is a risk of Covid-19 infection and I assure you there the mortality and long term morbidity from the infection is far worse than these transient or rare side effects of vaccines.

I recall begging a diabetic patient off mine to get vaccinated. She refused citing same reasons; vaccine hesitancy. Got a message a few weeks later she got admitted to hospital with acute hypoxic respiratory failure. Ended up 5L oxy mask, lucky girl, didn't her intubated. Not so lucky, got discharged on 2L oxygen and a long steroid taper. Took her another few days to finally taper off oxygen but to this day still has shortness of breath. I have no idea what do to for her. Now she sees pulmonologist and cardiology trying to work up the symptoms of what we call long Covid. I've started referring to UC Davis and Stanford who have started Covid clinics to deal with these lingering morbid symptoms. This is just one patient. I have similar stories of many others. This one survived. My husband sees the deaths, since he's inpatient. He's the one who has to have the family discussions to withdraw care. I guess I'm lucky there.

Originally posted by: desigal90

Menstrual irregularities vs death. Clear priorities my friend 👍

I think we keep forgetting that we're not recommending vaccines for no reason. The alternative is a risk of Covid-19 infection and I assure you there the mortality and long term morbidity from the infection is far worse than these transient or rare side effects if vaccines.

I recall begging a diabetic patient off mine to get vaccinated. She refused citing same reasons; vaccine hesitancy. Got a message a few weeks later she got admitted to hospital with acute hypoxic respiratory failure. Ended up 5L oxy mask, lucky girl, didn't her intubated. Not so lucky, got discharged on 2L oxygen and a long steroid taper. Took her another few days to finally taper off oxygen but to this day still has shortness of breath. I have no idea what do to for her. Now she sees pulmonologist and cardiology trying to work up the symptoms of what we call long Covid. I've stated referring to UC Davis and Stanford who have started Covid clinics to deal with these lingering morbid symptoms. This is just one patient. I have similar stories of many others. This one survived. My husband sees the deaths, since he's inpatient. He's the one who has to have the family discussions to withdraw care. I guess I'm lucky there.

Oh wow. How easy for you to just dismiss irregular and no periods. Just because you don’t care about it doesn’t mean other take it lightly as you. And I also know people taking vaccine and dying from it. So what do you say about that? Since for you only death is the only worst outcome. How about many would rather die than to have infertility issues and other illnesses?

Originally posted by: The_Best

How about many would rather die than to have infertility issues and other illnesses?

This is all hear say no

Originally posted by: The_Best

Since for you only death is the only worst outcome. How about many would rather die than to have infertility issues and other illnesses?

No studies show infertility link with vaccines so that's false. Lots of my patients are coming in pregnant, and they're vaccinated so again, false. Or link me with the study. Not news article. I'll read it.

Tell me about the people dying from vaccines. I'm genuinely curious. I'm not saying menstrual irregularities are dismissive. I'm just saying the alternative is risk of death.

Yes other illness are terrible. Like coronary artery disease and heart attacks coz of Covid infection. Like lung clots coz of Covid infection. Like lack of taste and smell for

Up to 6 months coz of Covid. Like crippling fatigue that lingers for months coz of

Covid. Oh and yes, death.

Originally posted by: The_Best

Being vaccinated doesn’t prevent it from spreading it to others or being covid positive. So elderly and serverly immune compromised are at risk of covid with both vaccinated or unvaccinated people. All the covid positive patients we had at my urgent care were vaccinated. And how is vaccine not mandated? All emergency workers like health care, etc workers are forced to get it. Now businesses with 100+ employees and next they are coming after small businesses else pay huge fines and being shut down.

You know the equivalence doesn't work here - There is a chance vaccinated people can get Covid and yes a chance that they can spread Covid too, but these chances are way less compared to the ones not vaccinated. So not really same!

Frankly non vaccinated folks should thank vaccinated ones for because of the latter's effect, COVID spread has seen a decrease. Imagine everyone went up in the arms "no vaccine" and we would have continued staying indoors forever. It's because of the vaccinated folks, talks are on of "mask removal, borders, business re-opening", all in all economy having a chance of sustainment which wouldn't have happened without the vaccines!